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Old 21 February 2009, 11:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Maxxed_Ross
We need to do what Austrailia does.... follow our rules, speak our language or get out

It's sickening what's happening these days
Would that language be English or aboriginal???

Such a terrible example to use fella
Old 21 February 2009, 11:25 PM
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There are a few of Muslims on Scoobynet, and nicer people you could not meet.

Funny how the extremists make the news
Old 21 February 2009, 11:28 PM
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I hope this site doesn't attract BNP members.

It would be a shame to see it retarded further.
Old 21 February 2009, 11:34 PM
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Remember when that BNP member list was made public, would the Police Officer's that were named have been binned off by now? or was it a publicity stunt pulled by another group. Was there any internal mention of this?
Old 21 February 2009, 11:37 PM
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Old 21 February 2009, 11:41 PM
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Only a matter of time till were all living under sharia law
Old 21 February 2009, 11:45 PM
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Originally Posted by ScoobyDriverWannabe
Only a matter of time till were all living under sharia law

What a load of rubbish, that is such a dumb thing to say
Old 21 February 2009, 11:46 PM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
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Interesting, I can't make my mind up if I think it is wrong or right for Police to be BNP members, I put it on the same level as people not being able to join the force if they have ever had financial problems due to the fact you have access to privileged information.

But, this is not echoed throughout other civil departments.

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Originally Posted by ScoobyDriverWannabe
Only a matter of time till were all living under sharia law
How do you make that out

Just because the Government are spineless does not mean we all are. And, the vast majority of Muslims living here, are not interested in trying to convert us. It's only the extremists who get the news.
Old 21 February 2009, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by 84of300
How do you make that out

Just because the Government are spineless does not mean we all are. And, the vast majority of Muslims living here, are not interested in trying to convert us. It's only the extremists who get the news.
You should add that the VAST majority of muslims are not interested in living under sharia law either
Old 21 February 2009, 11:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Dedrater
Interesting, I can't make my mind up if I think it is wrong or right for Police to be BNP members, I put it on the same level as people not being able to join the force if they have ever had financial problems due to the fact you have access to privileged information.

But, this is not echoed throughout other civil departments.
BNP membership was only banned fairly recently for police.

There are arguments both ways re it being a legitimate political party but the weight of it goes that it's an inherintly racist party, so how can you be fair if a member of it?

It would lead to courts having to disclose to the defence and jury that an officer is a BNP member and give doubt on a case where a non white person is in the dock for any offence.

I see the point.
Old 22 February 2009, 01:41 AM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
I hope this site doesn't attract BNP members.

It would be a shame to see it retarded further.
Already is.
Old 22 February 2009, 08:11 AM
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if any 'group' threatens mine or my childrens safety, then i will stand alongside ANYONE who is willing to remove that group no matter what they call themselves or what they have done in the past, once the threat is gone, i will then look at who i stand next to.
Old 22 February 2009, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
I hope this site doesn't attract BNP members.

It would be a shame to see it retarded further.
same could be said about coppers
Old 22 February 2009, 11:46 AM
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Originally Posted by spireite
same could be said about coppers
Indeed it could.

But SN is right wing enough without it needing to edge further towards Nazism.
Old 22 February 2009, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by 84of300
How do you make that out

Just because the Government are spineless does not mean we all are. And, the vast majority of Muslims living here, are not interested in trying to convert us. It's only the extremists who get the news.
Thanks for adding a little balance Lesley. You are right it's the empty vessels who make the most noise and gain the most publicity. We're members of the human race first and foremost, we all live under the same sky. The religious zealots and extremists are following personal agendas and using twisted interpretations to justify their evil actions. They are not representative of me by any stretch of the imagination.
Old 22 February 2009, 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by spireite
same could be said about coppers
There is no reason for personal insults. This is playground stuff and certainly not befitting of someone with your intelligence.
Old 22 February 2009, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
There is no reason for personal insults. This is playground stuff and certainly not befitting of someone with your intelligence.

sorry wheres the insult
Old 22 February 2009, 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Einstein RA
Thanks for adding a little balance Lesley. You are right it's the empty vessels who make the most noise and gain the most publicity. We're members of the human race first and foremost, we all live under the same sky. The religious zealots and extremists are following personal agendas and using twisted interpretations to justify their evil actions. They are not representative of me by any stretch of the imagination.
Spot on

There is a MASSIVE difference between normal Muslims, and Muslim extremists.

I assume all the people on this thread who have a poor opinion of Muslims also feel the same about the Irish (for example)
Old 22 February 2009, 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
Spot on

There is a MASSIVE difference between normal Muslims, and Muslim extremists.

I assume all the people on this thread who have a poor opinion of Muslims also feel the same about the Irish (for example)

Panorama muslim1st British 2nd = extremists


BBC iPlayer - Panorama: Muslim First, British Second

Watch it here

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Old 22 February 2009, 06:14 PM
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Originally Posted by spireite
The hatred is being preached in mosques, so they can't really escape hearing our western ways are evil ,did you watch the program .
I didn't need to, I've seen enough cleverly edited programs in my time to realise you can put across any message you like

I work with a lot of Muslims in Yorkshire, and most of them are just like any normal people, some ********, but there's plenty of them amongst the white Christain population!

Geezer
Old 22 February 2009, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Geezer
I didn't need to, I've seen enough cleverly edited programs in my time to realise you can put across any message you like

I work with a lot of Muslims in Yorkshire, and most of them are just like any normal people, some ********, but there's plenty of them amongst the white Christain population!

Geezer

If you have not seen the programme ,you are not really in a position to comment .
Old 23 February 2009, 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Dedrater
I don't see how people take offence when talking about religion, or when people rightly point out it is all nonsense. I don't take offence when people don't believe I have a pet Unicorn..
Nothing wrong at all in discussing the why's and wherefore's etc. as you say, but totally unnecessary and wrong to be rude or insulting about it.

Les
Old 23 February 2009, 12:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
Spot on

There is a MASSIVE difference between normal Muslims, and Muslim extremists.

I assume all the people on this thread who have a poor opinion of Muslims also feel the same about the Irish (for example)
So how do i get an 'unwanted' for that post then?

People were moaning about feeling threatened by terrorists in earlier posts, so i am only asking if they feel the same about other religions who had a very small minority who had used terrorism in the past.
Old 23 February 2009, 12:17 PM
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We live in a society terrified of offending anyone religious.

Why worry?

They live their lives based on the most laughable set of "historical" references and have made up the entire basis of their religion.

I tell you what, I'm going to start a religion that believes badgers are actually demi gods. And WOE BETIDE anyone that dismisses my religion because any word against it will be OFFENSIVE and I will have grounds to threaten to kill you and get away with it.
Old 23 February 2009, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Moley_WRX
So how do i get an 'unwanted' for that post then?
lol your lucky, i got about half a dozen of them in the other thread regarding islam/muslims, somebody must have been getting a bit hot under the collar lol
Old 23 February 2009, 01:07 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
We live in a society terrified of offending anyone religious.

Why worry?

They live their lives based on the most laughable set of "historical" references and have made up the entire basis of their religion.

I tell you what, I'm going to start a religion that believes badgers are actually demi gods. And WOE BETIDE anyone that dismisses my religion because any word against it will be OFFENSIVE and I will have grounds to threaten to kill you and get away with it.

I do not worry at all.... I think Islam sucks, I think Christianity sucks, I think and religion that claims there is a god sucks...........

I am a scientist by nature and religion has more negatives than positives.....

I enjoy the concept of faith, but religion is just the immense perversian of faith
Old 23 February 2009, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by jods
One comment made was "Islam is incompatible with Democracy"
Another was - "Do not obey the Laws of the Land - Obey Allah"
Actually that quote is a load of bollox, it's supposed to say:

"Obey the law of the land you are in if the land is not a muslim state/country etc"

"Breaking the laws of that land is the same as breaking the laws in a muslim state/country"

There is no such thing as a muslim state or country in this day and age - Malaysia comes close but they are off key as well.

The documentary highlighted one point that the racism tends to be a cultural thing and not necissarily religous based (however the purpotrators and preachers tend to use the religion as a vehicle to vent their own hatered and venom).

It's these types of people that are causing havoc in the british muslim communities. The majority of young, afluent and successful muslims are moderate and respect the laws of the country. They also diffrentiate themselves from these types of backward people because they too can see the hatred and venom in these people.

But you get this 'hooligan' mentality everywhere, it just happens to be he century of the new enemy (Islam) so it's being highlighted.
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Originally Posted by Petem95
It's ironic that by us being tolerant of other religions and cultures we have become a breeding ground for the most intolerant religion of them all, and are now suffering the effects

No surprise to see islamic UK citizens have been supplying a lot of the timers for road-side bombs used to kill UK troops...

British Muslims 'providing Taliban with electronic devices for roadside bombs' - Telegraph
Actually I think you'll find most Muslims are very tolerant, its the minority that you keep hearing about on the news all the time, unfortunately people in this country don't seem to bother to look beyond the tabloid headlines.
A good friend of mine is a Muslim and he sees his religion as a personal thing, its about his life not others, the same incidentally as my South African friend who is a Christian, infect both faiths are very similar.

One of the best places to see multiculturalism working is here in Cambridge, there's people of all countries, faiths and backgrounds living together here and it makes for an interesting and enjoyable place to live.
As in all walks of life religious or otherwise there are good and bad people, just because someone is Muslim doesn't make them a crazy suicide bomber, our media should be helping the moderates in this country, instead of tarring them all with the same brush.

Anybody who lives in this country should follow our laws and integrate into our culture simple, if someone is a danger to the people of this country why should there human rights come before everyone else's? don't get it, what about my human right to be able to live in a free democratic tolerant society without the fear of extremists killing myself or my family.
We need rid of extremist individuals that talk about harming this country and better understanding of the religions and faiths of the people living in this country.
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Originally Posted by fatherpierre
I hope this site doesn't attract too many more BNP members.
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