ScoobyWon't

The police aren't even allowed to 'cuff suspects to objects.

For anyone remotely interested in youth justice Youth Justice Board.

RA Dunk

Then what is it? Cause they way its being done right now clearly isnt working worth a f**k, most of the people who have replied in this thread have been smacked either by there parents or by there teachers or by both im talking about me here lol, like i said in my earlier post some kids know when to stop just by a stern look from there parents or a ticking off, others need a smack to take them down to earth again, I needed a smack, to me it sounds as though your old man maybe hit you a bit hard or a bit often but now i can look back and thank my parents for it TBH

Jonnys3

I agree mate. It's hard work at times but you really do get out what you put in! My children aren't angels but they know what respect is, they know what manners are, and they know right from wrong. All this has been achieved using similar techniques to those you have listed above, and friends are always commenting how well behaved our children are compared to their own. I cringe when I see people on Super Nanny and such programmes because they all want easy parenting but can't be bothered to put in the time and effort, and then they wonder why their children are so unruley, disrespectful and badly behaved. It's not rocket science it's just time, effort and understanding, and most of all talking to a child not at it. Oh, and for the record, yes, as a last resort I have smacked my daughters, and yes I was smacked as a child - did me the world of good!

gallois

maybe, but then again violence is a difficult thing to meter isn't it. although i realise there are 'token' smacks on the **** or hand where the adult is in control of their actions and there are proper lost control slaps or worse which leave bruises or marks.

The Dogs B******s

How many on here disrespect their elders,hang round on street corners,bully people in general? And were smacked as a child......None probably.

CLSII

Don't forget anyone can do anything they like.

That's how it should be.

If anyone stops you doing what you like, complain like hell. If that isn't working complain they hit you.

Then watch them suffer. Make things up. Lie about what happened.

Teachers, Police, Librarians, Street cleaners, in actual fact anyone with a job will do. You are a victim lie and they will suffer.

Unfortunately people who lied like this once thought they would burn in hell but these days are actively encouraged by the victim/ambulance chasing culture we live in and by lots of people who think this is getting one over on 'the system'.

Chastisement of a child used to be pretty much a good idea, I once got smacked for running into a road. Never did it again. Presumably these days it would be better to run under a lorry rather than upset the PC brigade who would think it was my 'Human Right' to be crushed to death under that lorry.

hodgy0_2

lets get real and stop harking back to some mythical age, its always 30 years ago, when I was a teenager in the 70/80 we had skinheads going "paki" bashing -- and outragous footbal hooliganism every week thru out the country

it was the same then "oh 30 years ago the young had respect", yeah 30 years ago you had mods and rockers tearing up Brighton, the notting hill riots etc etc

and sure as eggs are eggs in 30 years they will be saying -- well you know what

RA Dunk

so there was gangs of 12 year olds going around terrorising whole communities all those years ago then? the problem has got worse and a whole lot worse since then m8

hodgy0_2

thats a fair point Dunk

but maybe its just that its just more visible in this media age so it seems worse




oh fvck it lets flog the little *****!!!!

sarasquares

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that brings back memories with my son


i found taking things away that they liked as a punishment rarely worked. they get things so easy these days its easy come easy go.they just shrug it off

bring back smacking

J4CKO

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The hand thing, yes, I use that, it is well known that dad hands can exert 1,000,000 pounds per square inch and can push nails in, I get hold of my kids hands and get their attention, and say, this is ten percent, no reaction, I squeeze a bit harder and say thirty percent and they start taking notice, at fifty they beg for mercy.....

Terminator X

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Never smacked my son (he's 7). He understands right from wrong so only ever needs a raised voice from me.

Wild kids = bad parenting.

It is the parents fault as, generally, there is no "punishment" when something wrong happens. Punishment can just be no sweets today, not watching favorite programme on telly etc. If your kid damages something & you just laugh / say nothing what do you expect FFS

TX.

sarasquares

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my son doesn't carry a knife and brings me his washing so i think it worked

Diesel

Wow!! Result!!! You must smack in a different place to me - back of the neck, soles of feet??? Do tell D

sarasquares

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oh and i forgot to mention the odd chinese burn always works if your well placed smack misses


actually he is joining the Army, just waiting for the fitness test now

RA Dunk

it was usually an old slipper i got, but if i had been a proper little **** it was a case of first thing that came to hand, i even got it off of a hair brush once

sarasquares

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my dad made me hold my hand out, i would ask why and he would say 'JUST DO IT,

but i would always ****** it back again in fear because i knew i was going to get smacked with hand the size of shovels

Scooby Snacks 23

I have a 4yr old boy and a 1yr old girl and since my daughter was born, he's turned into the child from hell. A great, happy loving kid when he's got your full attention but do something with his little sister and he gets silly and goes into one. I've given up smacking him (probably for all the right reasons) and banish him to the naughty step on the stairs for 5 minutes. He hates that because we shut the lounge door and give him the feeling of being totall excluded. After 5 mins, he's back in (and he must always apologise too) and it's all forgotten about.

This only happens about a million times a day

cookstar

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I have smacked my son (9 now) about 3 -4 times in his life, now a raised voice or just the threat of punishment works a treat.

I think actually going through with your threats is the most important thing, I have seen it so many times with other parents, "if you carry on like that, then your straight to bed" do they do it, now they don't. The kids know this and take it as it is an empty threat and show the parents the respect they deserve.

The same with manners, if my son forgot to say please when asking for something, the answer was automatically "no". Even if he then asked again nicely he had lost his chance. This was the same with "Thank You" if he forgot whatever had been given to him was taken back away. He soon learnt and is now a very well mannered and behaved child.

Diesel

Sounds like a walk in the park after his upbringing Sar' LOL. D

cster

I was thinking of smacking my children, but when I thought about it, I couldn't decide at what age I should start smacking them.
I couldn't even decide at what age I should stop smacking them either.
So in the end, I didn't bother.

cookstar

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I don't think I could bring myself to smack my daughter though.

mrs_b4

See how you feel when she kick's you in the nut's

cookstar

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My little Princess wouldn't do that.

The Zohan

Yes, IMHO
Some kids seem to know all their rights but none of their responsibilities.
Often now a second generation with non working parents who are not good role models or real parents, nurturing, educating, protecting and turning them into decent people. Karen Mathews anyone?

Schools unable teach them or control them as they have their hands tied.

These troublesome kids often seem to get the breaks and rewards and more attention whilst the normal hard working kids just look on wondering why bother to try.

easily abused welfare system, PC do-gooders and now generations of poor uneducated social inept non working parents chucking out kids as a means of support - it is not good!

as for our kids, last resort after reasoning and the naughty step, they are getting a bit old for the naughty step now, one smack to the leg or hand, not hard just enough to sting!
only ever had to do this a couple of times in six years - the threat of it is usually enough

sarasquares

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i only inflicted corporal punishment, sort of preparing for the Army

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Nothing works unless its backed up with love and commitment to spend time teaching your kids how to be better.

Leslie

I agree totally SS. Children will always tend to take a wrong path unless they are brought up properly by their parents. Apart from the parents setting them a good example. they need top be taught the necessity of discipline in society and respect for other people.

Shouting at a child will never work, it makes them more liable to shout back and to rebel. When the child is knowingly disobedient, the only way to cope is with a short sharp lesson, and a smack is a good way to do this. The child needs to want to avoid such a lesson in future and it should make it think twice next time. It needs to respect its parents and to learn to obey them.

If you let the child get away with bad behaviour it will get worse until it can no longer be controlled. It is the origin of the old saying "making a rod for your own back!" Letting a child do just what it wants will mean it has no love or respect for its parents.

You are right SS when you say that so many children now know no discipline and think they can do what they want with no fear of retribution. This sort of situation will build on itself as we see so often these days. It is a reflection on the incompetence or lack of care by the parents in most cases.

Les

RA Dunk

just thinking back, i actually remember getting my mouth washed out with a bar of soap when i was around 12 for swearing at my folks

did i do it again, did i ****!

sarasquares

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from what i have read most of us got the heavy hand off our parents for misbehaving and were very reluctant to do the bad deed again, or it made you think about what you had done.

yet we listen to the anti smacking groups that tell us its a bad thing to chastise your kids in this way....i cant see any logic for outlawing smacking (with reasonable force)


if i had not ever smacked my son then i don't think he would be alive today, bad as it sounds thats the long and short of it.

i am lucky as i live in a village. we do not encounter much violence and crime here but i do know that if we did live in London then i would have lost my son a long time ago. thankfully he is now a responsible 20 year old waiting to join the Army so he can fight in Afghanistan