Jade Goody part 2.
05 February 2009, 11:54 AM
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The difference is quite clear.
There was a program on last night regarding Terry Prachett and his Alzheimers. I was quite happy to watch the program as he has provided us with a fantastic series of books. He is slowly losing his mind, he is going to suffer and he will be missed by the general public. Your very unlikely to have arguments over whether he should be in the public eye more so than other sufferers.
Jade Goodey has made a name for herself for rather negative reasons. She has provided nothing to society except maybe a poor role model.
Where the accusations of being hypocritical lie is not whether she is more deserving than the next person or where people are not prepared to change thier opinion of her. The hypocrits are those that would slate her but now want to be seen as "good samaritans" now that she is ill.
There was a program on last night regarding Terry Prachett and his Alzheimers. I was quite happy to watch the program as he has provided us with a fantastic series of books. He is slowly losing his mind, he is going to suffer and he will be missed by the general public. Your very unlikely to have arguments over whether he should be in the public eye more so than other sufferers.
Jade Goodey has made a name for herself for rather negative reasons. She has provided nothing to society except maybe a poor role model.
Where the accusations of being hypocritical lie is not whether she is more deserving than the next person or where people are not prepared to change thier opinion of her. The hypocrits are those that would slate her but now want to be seen as "good samaritans" now that she is ill.
Have you no sympathy for someone in such an awful position? Is it really necessary to run her down as if that if that should affect the fact that she is in for a period of pain and very unpleasant treatment just to try to extend her life?
A negative attitude to her previous performances in this case is totally uncalled for, this is a thread to express sympathy with her present situation.
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05 February 2009, 11:56 AM
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You just have not seen the point have you? This is absolutely nothing about her perfomances and her personality. Whether you liked that or not has no bearing on her present situation. In fact the subject of this thread has got nothing to do with all of that. Just because she is not very attractive, and shot her mouth off that is nothing to do with the fact that we are commiserating with someone who has done no significant wrong, and has just been told that she is going to die in the near future from a truly dreadful; disease.
Have you no sympathy for someone in such an awful position? Is it really necessary to run her down as if that if that should affect the fact that she is in for a period of pain and very unpleasant treatment just to try to extend her life?
A negative attitude to her previous performances in this case is totally uncalled for, this is a thread to express sympathy with her present situation.
Les
Have you no sympathy for someone in such an awful position? Is it really necessary to run her down as if that if that should affect the fact that she is in for a period of pain and very unpleasant treatment just to try to extend her life?
A negative attitude to her previous performances in this case is totally uncalled for, this is a thread to express sympathy with her present situation.
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05 February 2009, 12:02 PM
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Les spot on. I find her unwatchable on TV and don't like her 'TV personality' but I still feel very sad for the fact she is more than likely going to die in the not too distant future and leave her two young kids behind. That is truely sad for her and her children.
05 February 2009, 12:07 PM
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LOL
The point I make is that I'm not prepared to change my attitude to towards her because she is ill. That would make me a hypocrit.
There are those that have changed their attitude because of her illness - that is being a hypocrit.
By the very nature of how she has acquired this fame there will be some who will not give a to55 about her ill or not. I have never said that I do not feel sympathy for her and my first few posts in both threads point this out quite specifically.
As I said, you would not have differences of opinion where Terry Prachett is concerned as you would with Jade Goodey because of how she has become famous.
So with all due respect I stand by all of what I have previously written.
The point I make is that I'm not prepared to change my attitude to towards her because she is ill. That would make me a hypocrit.
There are those that have changed their attitude because of her illness - that is being a hypocrit.
By the very nature of how she has acquired this fame there will be some who will not give a to55 about her ill or not. I have never said that I do not feel sympathy for her and my first few posts in both threads point this out quite specifically.
As I said, you would not have differences of opinion where Terry Prachett is concerned as you would with Jade Goodey because of how she has become famous.
So with all due respect I stand by all of what I have previously written.
05 February 2009, 12:12 PM
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People can still think she's a plonker on telly and not like her personality but they can still have sympathy for Jades and her families suffering, the two are totally separate.
05 February 2009, 12:13 PM
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i don't know if you have kids but would you let a 4 and 5 year old read the newspapers, and at that age they probably cant read yet?
when she said this, her cancer was not thought to be terminal. i think most mums on here would keep it from their very young children if it was possible. obviousley she will have to gently try to explain that mummy is not going to be there in the not so distant future
a lot of people here believe that she is a racist after her behavior on BB performance and have a dislike for her because of that. from what i remember she called Shilpa Shetty a 'popadom'. half of the members here have had infractions for much worse but i bet that they still think fairly highly of themselves.
Jade will ultimately save a lot of womens lives as her own life is slowly ending. i hope she is remembered for the good she has done, and will continue to do long after she has died.
05 February 2009, 12:14 PM
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LOL
The point I make is that I'm not prepared to change my attitude to towards her because she is ill. That would make me a hypocrit.
There are those that have changed their attitude because of her illness - that is being a hypocrit.
By the very nature of how she has acquired this fame there will be some who will not give a to55 about her ill or not. I have never said that I do not feel sympathy for her and my first few posts in both threads point this out quite specifically.
As I said, you would not have differences of opinion where Terry Prachett is concerned as you would with Jade Goodey because of how she has become famous.
So with all due respect I stand by all of what I have previously written.
The point I make is that I'm not prepared to change my attitude to towards her because she is ill. That would make me a hypocrit.
There are those that have changed their attitude because of her illness - that is being a hypocrit.
By the very nature of how she has acquired this fame there will be some who will not give a to55 about her ill or not. I have never said that I do not feel sympathy for her and my first few posts in both threads point this out quite specifically.
As I said, you would not have differences of opinion where Terry Prachett is concerned as you would with Jade Goodey because of how she has become famous.
So with all due respect I stand by all of what I have previously written.
you are missing the point. I haven't changed my mind about her tv persona but that doesn't mean I can't feel sorry for her situation.
05 February 2009, 12:24 PM
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LOL
The point I make is that I'm not prepared to change my attitude to towards her because she is ill. That would make me a hypocrit.
There are those that have changed their attitude because of her illness - that is being a hypocrit.
By the very nature of how she has acquired this fame there will be some who will not give a to55 about her ill or not. I have never said that I do not feel sympathy for her and my first few posts in both threads point this out quite specifically.
As I said, you would not have differences of opinion where Terry Prachett is concerned as you would with Jade Goodey because of how she has become famous.
So with all due respect I stand by all of what I have previously written.
The point I make is that I'm not prepared to change my attitude to towards her because she is ill. That would make me a hypocrit.
There are those that have changed their attitude because of her illness - that is being a hypocrit.
By the very nature of how she has acquired this fame there will be some who will not give a to55 about her ill or not. I have never said that I do not feel sympathy for her and my first few posts in both threads point this out quite specifically.
As I said, you would not have differences of opinion where Terry Prachett is concerned as you would with Jade Goodey because of how she has become famous.
So with all due respect I stand by all of what I have previously written.
You must be very blinkered if you cannot see that no one has changed their opinion of her previous performances. Have you never heard of having sympathy with a person when they are in deep trouble regardless?
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05 February 2009, 12:31 PM
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There are some strange, selfish people in this world.
Regardless of if you liked how she was on TV or her "performance" personality, you can't get away from the fact that a young successful woman and mother is going to die young.
She will miss out on the future, she will not see her children grow up, go to school, make friends, go to uni, have relationships, get married and have their own kids. She will now not be a grandmother or be able to see what happens to the world in the coming years.
It is very sad, and it doesn't matter that she made decent money from being a "personality". Celebrities make money on the back of the general public - if nobody watched Big Brother, then she wouldn't have become famous, but I bet some of the more negative commenters on this thread DID watch Big Brother, so that's true hypocrisy in my book.
I don't know Jade personally, and so i can't make a judgement on her character - all I know is, she is a good mother and has made a success out of nothing - she doesn't rob people at night, she isn't a car thief, burglar, abuser or anything else - she doesn't harm society and hasn't taken anything away from me.
In the end, she has lost out - a young life lost for no reason to an awful disease that will hit 1 in 3 of us.
I don't know if cancer will ever be cured, maybe it is natures way of controlling the populous, but it doesn't make it any less harrowing when a human life is taken in this way.
I sometimes feel ashamed to live on this planet.
Regardless of if you liked how she was on TV or her "performance" personality, you can't get away from the fact that a young successful woman and mother is going to die young.
She will miss out on the future, she will not see her children grow up, go to school, make friends, go to uni, have relationships, get married and have their own kids. She will now not be a grandmother or be able to see what happens to the world in the coming years.
It is very sad, and it doesn't matter that she made decent money from being a "personality". Celebrities make money on the back of the general public - if nobody watched Big Brother, then she wouldn't have become famous, but I bet some of the more negative commenters on this thread DID watch Big Brother, so that's true hypocrisy in my book.
I don't know Jade personally, and so i can't make a judgement on her character - all I know is, she is a good mother and has made a success out of nothing - she doesn't rob people at night, she isn't a car thief, burglar, abuser or anything else - she doesn't harm society and hasn't taken anything away from me.
In the end, she has lost out - a young life lost for no reason to an awful disease that will hit 1 in 3 of us.
I don't know if cancer will ever be cured, maybe it is natures way of controlling the populous, but it doesn't make it any less harrowing when a human life is taken in this way.
I sometimes feel ashamed to live on this planet.
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05 February 2009, 01:12 PM
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Katie is rumored to be a EXCELLENT mother .
I use to live next to Samantha Fox 23 odd years ago.She was NOTHING like her "image". Shame she got into a very bad crowd. She would offer to do shopping for my Great Aunt who was very ill. And spoke with a different accent than on TV etc
05 February 2009, 01:23 PM
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I wonder why you have to start with a "LOL". Is that an indication of your general attitude perhap's?
You must be very blinkered if you cannot see that no one has changed their opinion of her previous performances. Have you never heard of having sympathy with a person when they are in deep trouble regardless?
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You must be very blinkered if you cannot see that no one has changed their opinion of her previous performances. Have you never heard of having sympathy with a person when they are in deep trouble regardless?
Les
Dreamwear says he feels ashamed to live on this planet. Well, I feel the same whereby someone like Jade Goodey is a celebrity in the first place - for absolutely nothing or for glamorising all that is wrong in our society. This is how I felt about her before she was ill, this is how I feel now - it has nothing to do with sympathy for her or anyone else in that position (of which I do feel and have said so if you read my posts in both threads)
05 February 2009, 01:26 PM
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so was Kerry Katona 
who decides who and what is a good mother?
from what i have seen of Katie Price the Mother i would say that her own life is more important to her and that her kids get a pretty raw deal as she is hardly ever with them. Peter Andre seems to be the one stable parent in that family.
who decides who and what is a good mother?
from what i have seen of Katie Price the Mother i would say that her own life is more important to her and that her kids get a pretty raw deal as she is hardly ever with them. Peter Andre seems to be the one stable parent in that family.
05 February 2009, 01:29 PM
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so was Kerry Katona
who decides who and what is a good mother?
from what i have seen of Katie Price the Mother i would say that her own life is more important to her and that her kids get a pretty raw deal as she is hardly ever with them. Peter Andre seems to be the one stable parent in that family.
who decides who and what is a good mother?
from what i have seen of Katie Price the Mother i would say that her own life is more important to her and that her kids get a pretty raw deal as she is hardly ever with them. Peter Andre seems to be the one stable parent in that family.
You say the above which is rather negative of her. Tomorrow she announces she has cancer - what do you say then?
05 February 2009, 01:30 PM
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so was Kerry Katona
who decides who and what is a good mother?
from what i have seen of Katie Price the Mother i would say that her own life is more important to her and that her kids get a pretty raw deal as she is hardly ever with them. Peter Andre seems to be the one stable parent in that family.
who decides who and what is a good mother?
from what i have seen of Katie Price the Mother i would say that her own life is more important to her and that her kids get a pretty raw deal as she is hardly ever with them. Peter Andre seems to be the one stable parent in that family.
They are both good parents. far better than many high flying legal types who have no time for their kids etc
katie Price arranges all her work around her kids. THEY come first.
05 February 2009, 01:31 PM
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I dont think feeeling a bit sorry for the fact that she's very likely to die horribly at a young age means your opinion of her exploits as a "celebrity" or even of her as a person has invariably changed. I still find the whole "famous for being infamous" thing difficult to stomach, and her conduct was exceptionally poor at times.
But, as has been pointed out: we should all bear in mind that we are acquinted with her 'persona', which may be significantly different from her 'personality'. Even if that is not the case, it's a bit sad if being nothing more than a "celebrity" with dubious talent, photogenic appeal, tact and world views precludes any sympathy from the lay public should you succumb to something horrid like cancer.
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But, as has been pointed out: we should all bear in mind that we are acquinted with her 'persona', which may be significantly different from her 'personality'. Even if that is not the case, it's a bit sad if being nothing more than a "celebrity" with dubious talent, photogenic appeal, tact and world views precludes any sympathy from the lay public should you succumb to something horrid like cancer.
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05 February 2009, 01:52 PM
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sorry, i have to disagree with you there. i watched the reality series she has been in and from what i could gather all her free time is spent undergoing stupid operations and suffering the consequences. she spends a lot of time away from them, weeks sometimes. every venture she is involved in does not include her children. she does not need to do what she does and imho she should spend more quality time with them
Pete seems to do most of the parenting. i may be wrong but that is what i see.
05 February 2009, 01:57 PM
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Now thats kind of annoying.
You cut her back off without even knowing her yet you offer sympathy if she were to fall ill. I actually agree with your opinion but I would certainly not start threads on how sad and how upset I am about the news should she ever fall ill.
hypocrite definition | Dictionary.com - meaning 2 I would say is quite apt here.
While I'm at it, I seem to remember another thread about some heart strings story that ended up in a royal bun fight because not everyone agreed which sarasquares started. I can't find it because the search is knackered at the moment.
You cut her back off without even knowing her yet you offer sympathy if she were to fall ill. I actually agree with your opinion but I would certainly not start threads on how sad and how upset I am about the news should she ever fall ill.
hypocrite definition | Dictionary.com - meaning 2 I would say is quite apt here.
While I'm at it, I seem to remember another thread about some heart strings story that ended up in a royal bun fight because not everyone agreed which sarasquares started. I can't find it because the search is knackered at the moment.
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05 February 2009, 02:01 PM
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Now thats kind of annoying.
You cut her back off without even knowing her yet you offer sympathy if she were to fall ill. I actually agree with your opinion but I would certainly not start threads on how sad and how upset I am about the news should she ever fall ill.
hypocrite definition | Dictionary.com - meaning 2 I would say is quite apt here.
While I'm at it, I seem to remember another thread about some heart strings story that ended up in a royal bun fight because not everyone agreed.
You cut her back off without even knowing her yet you offer sympathy if she were to fall ill. I actually agree with your opinion but I would certainly not start threads on how sad and how upset I am about the news should she ever fall ill.
hypocrite definition | Dictionary.com - meaning 2 I would say is quite apt here.
While I'm at it, I seem to remember another thread about some heart strings story that ended up in a royal bun fight because not everyone agreed.
you dont have to like someone to feel sympathy fore them. it is not just the person with the cancer that is going to suffer, the whole family, especially the kids are going to be the most affected.
btw, i did not say i disliked Katie Price. she is very annoying but i also feel she has done well to achieve what she did with two great big ugly ****
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05 February 2009, 02:10 PM
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I can't remember what the subject was but I remember the thread being started on some emotive subject, forum members disagreeing and a bun fight ensuing - as I suppose is a fair amount of threads in NSR.
You say you don't dislike her yet your quite happy to pass a negative comment on her parenting skills. Rather a "holier-than-tho" attitude?
You say you don't dislike her yet your quite happy to pass a negative comment on her parenting skills. Rather a "holier-than-tho" attitude?
05 February 2009, 02:16 PM
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I can't remember what the subject was but I remember the thread being started on some emotive subject, forum members disagreeing and a bun fight ensuing - as I suppose is a fair amount of threads in NSR.
You say you don't dislike her yet your quite happy to pass a negative comment on her parenting skills. Rather a "holier-than-tho" attitude?
You say you don't dislike her yet your quite happy to pass a negative comment on her parenting skills. Rather a "holier-than-tho" attitude?
i think you need to take your blinkers off
are you talking about the cancer thread i started when my mum got cancer?
05 February 2009, 02:31 PM
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I don't get the blinkers thread. To me what you suggest is almost like being nice to someone face to face yet calling them behind their back.
No it wasn't about cancer. IIRC It was some heart strings story in the press. You posted, others disagreed and buns began to fly - a couple of weeks ago it was.
Anyway, this debate is getting old. Quite like the NHS smoke death no you can't have it thread. TTFN
No it wasn't about cancer. IIRC It was some heart strings story in the press. You posted, others disagreed and buns began to fly - a couple of weeks ago it was.
Anyway, this debate is getting old. Quite like the NHS smoke death no you can't have it thread. TTFN
05 February 2009, 02:42 PM
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I don't get the blinkers thread. To me what you suggest is almost like being nice to someone face to face yet calling them behind their back.
No it wasn't about cancer. IIRC It was some heart strings story in the press. You posted, others disagreed and buns began to fly - a couple of weeks ago it was.
Anyway, this debate is getting old. Quite like the NHS smoke death no you can't have it thread. TTFN
No it wasn't about cancer. IIRC It was some heart strings story in the press. You posted, others disagreed and buns began to fly - a couple of weeks ago it was.
Anyway, this debate is getting old. Quite like the NHS smoke death no you can't have it thread. TTFN
the 'blinkers' comment was meant to imply that you are only seeing what you want to see. you are not understanding me.
and what has this other thread got to do with this one?
05 February 2009, 02:52 PM
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i would never be two faced, if i didn't like someone and they asked me if i liked them i would be honest. i always speak my mind....and it gets me in trouble
the 'blinkers' comment was meant to imply that you are only seeing what you want to see. you are not understanding me.
and what has this other thread got to do with this one?
the 'blinkers' comment was meant to imply that you are only seeing what you want to see. you are not understanding me.
and what has this other thread got to do with this one?
If your not prepared to say that to her face then slating with one hand and pitying with the other is being two faced.
We won't agree so I've had enough here, hence going to the other thread.
05 February 2009, 02:57 PM
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I understand what you say, I just don't agree. Your basically saying if KP was ill and you saw her face to face you would be prepared to say "Your a sh1te mum but its a shame your going to die"
If your not prepared to say that to her face then slating with one hand and pitying with the other is being two faced.
We won't agree so I've had enough here, hence going to the other thread.
If your not prepared to say that to her face then slating with one hand and pitying with the other is being two faced.
We won't agree so I've had enough here, hence going to the other thread.
if KP asked me that question i would be honest, i don't dislike her. if i thought she was a bad mum, that is my opinion, i would not give that unless i was asked.
the rest of your post is you interpreting me wrongly
05 February 2009, 03:34 PM
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I see what EddScott is trying to get across here with this,
Scenario
A convicted child killer / rapist in prison, everyone hates him/her. Now if it turns out that the same person had cancer whilst in prison, would your view of that person now change?
I know thats a drastic way of putting it but there are similarites, you dont know that person, only what you have read about them / heard about them in the media yet you hate them for what they have done (people can and do hate jade goody for what she has done, not neccessarily bad but its life and happens)
Scenario
A convicted child killer / rapist in prison, everyone hates him/her. Now if it turns out that the same person had cancer whilst in prison, would your view of that person now change?
I know thats a drastic way of putting it but there are similarites, you dont know that person, only what you have read about them / heard about them in the media yet you hate them for what they have done (people can and do hate jade goody for what she has done, not neccessarily bad but its life and happens)
05 February 2009, 03:37 PM
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I see what EddScott is trying to get across here with this,
Scenario
A convicted child killer / rapist in prison, everyone hates him/her. Now if it turns out that the same person had cancer whilst in prison, would your view of that person now change?
I know thats a drastic way of putting it but there are similarites, you dont know that person, only what you have read about them / heard about them in the media yet you hate them for what they have done (people can and do hate jade goody for what she has done, not neccessarily bad but its life and happens)
Scenario
A convicted child killer / rapist in prison, everyone hates him/her. Now if it turns out that the same person had cancer whilst in prison, would your view of that person now change?
I know thats a drastic way of putting it but there are similarites, you dont know that person, only what you have read about them / heard about them in the media yet you hate them for what they have done (people can and do hate jade goody for what she has done, not neccessarily bad but its life and happens)
i dont know the girl so i cant say i like her or dislike her
this is hard work!
