New Focus RS??
18 January 2009, 11:01 PM
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19 January 2009, 01:45 PM
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Trouble is the MK1 Focus RS only had to be better then the ST170 which was not hard to do as the ST170 was slow and didnt handle that great. Thing is with the mk2 Focus RS it has to be better then the current Focus ST which is already a great car, I would be very suprised if the new Focus RS is much better then the ST's.
19 January 2009, 05:12 PM
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- but the RS will be different and better in a Sunday morning blast kind of way.
19 January 2009, 08:59 PM
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What you on about, the ST is one of the most comfortable hot hatches to be in, ride quality as std is unbelievably good as stated in pretty much every review of the ST from day one.
The complete opposite to my family mobile 2 year old Civic which is far too hard on the suspension and not very comfy.
Initial RS reviews suggest it has a much harder ride than the std ST, but even my lowered Eibached ST is very comfy, enough to send my son and dad in law off to sleep in the back yesterday round Derbyshire.
20 January 2009, 07:25 AM
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Dream - Im guessing Moose is referring to the fact the ST 'is' comfy so therefore there is a compromise in handling whereas the RS will probably have rock hard suspension etc.
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20 January 2009, 09:09 AM
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That's the pont he was making. The ST is designed to apear both to Boy racer, and Family man. Fast yet comfortable.
The RS will be a lot rawer in comparison. Less forgiving over humps and bumps. Not designed to be a everyday family car for a comfy drive to the coast.
20 January 2009, 09:13 AM
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Ah I see, comfort & ride quality was being seen as a negative 
I wouldn't be too sure the RS will be that compromised. My own ST is lowered on Eibachs which in theory should make for a bumpier ride, but it's not really any worse than it was as std even though the wheels sit almost in the arches now!! Handling is much improved though, and body roll gone.
I wouldn't be too sure the RS will be that compromised. My own ST is lowered on Eibachs which in theory should make for a bumpier ride, but it's not really any worse than it was as std even though the wheels sit almost in the arches now!! Handling is much improved though, and body roll gone.
20 January 2009, 09:56 AM
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Ah I see, comfort & ride quality was being seen as a negative
I wouldn't be too sure the RS will be that compromised. My own ST is lowered on Eibachs which in theory should make for a bumpier ride, but it's not really any worse than it was as std even though the wheels sit almost in the arches now!! Handling is much improved though, and body roll gone.
I wouldn't be too sure the RS will be that compromised. My own ST is lowered on Eibachs which in theory should make for a bumpier ride, but it's not really any worse than it was as std even though the wheels sit almost in the arches now!! Handling is much improved though, and body roll gone.
You should give them a ring. Show them how it should be done.
20 January 2009, 10:20 AM
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A modded ST will be just as quick real world than the (std) RS, but the RS will have the badge and the OTT looks if that's your thing, and that is my thing btw, not me taking the ****. I like the look of the RS so far, although it's a little high on the suspension.
If I could justify buying an RS I would, but at 4-5k miles a year it would be sat doing nothing way too much, I may test one though.
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20 January 2009, 10:38 AM
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Yes exactly. Nothing wrong with the ST, it is placed for a certain market where there are compromises and that's not a bad thing. The RS is aiming for a different market which demands less compromises and will no doubt be more hardcore, less forgiving etc
20 January 2009, 10:48 AM
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20 January 2009, 10:55 AM
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It's a funny post, but in reality probably not that far from the mark.
Doesn't everyone on SN reckon that orders for the RS are being cancelled left, right and centre?
Doesn't everyone on SN reckon that orders for the RS are being cancelled left, right and centre?
20 January 2009, 11:42 AM
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As far as I'm aware the first years build allocation has gone to those who have already ordered. Highly unlikely there will be any demonstrators because of this although I know of a dealer that will probably be having one so I'll certainly be having a go.
It will be interesting to see how many are sold in 2010.
It will be interesting to see how many are sold in 2010.
05 February 2009, 03:03 PM
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Where have you been Jacey
But it has to be said that this car has seemingly attracted nothing but controversy, even after early test drives, whereas if it had 4WD it would go straight to the top of many folks' wish list. Including mine. Price wouldn't be an issue either.
And these forums would be full of people discussing ways to get 400bhp, which shouldn't be hard. It could be such a great car
But it has to be said that this car has seemingly attracted nothing but controversy, even after early test drives, whereas if it had 4WD it would go straight to the top of many folks' wish list. Including mine. Price wouldn't be an issue either.
And these forums would be full of people discussing ways to get 400bhp, which shouldn't be hard. It could be such a great car
05 February 2009, 03:09 PM
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Its controversial on a Subaru forum as people here are used to being nannied by AWD
Very different on the Focus forums though, with plenty of users picking theirs up in March.
Very different on the Focus forums though, with plenty of users picking theirs up in March.
05 February 2009, 04:59 PM
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They'd have also won sales from previous Cosworth owners wanting a replicate their Fast Ford owning day's.
They could have easily charged more for it too. Look at the price of Evo's. £37k for the FQ360.
£30k for a AWD RS would have been about right. Maybe have upgrade kit's for it too.
Shame. They lost my £30k.
Not as if they don't need sales badly either.
05 February 2009, 05:27 PM
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I heard they're on Privilege (25% discount), D-Plan and tax free to Military personnel. That'll make sure they'll sell. A member of the Focus ST club who is in the forces based in German was offered a brand new RS for £20750. Privilege customers need to keep their cars for 9 months so I can see a few entering the second hand market. This might have some effect on residuals.
Got to be a kick in the teeth for Joe Public who will be paying £27k.
Got to be a kick in the teeth for Joe Public who will be paying £27k.
09 February 2009, 04:06 AM
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Anyone shed any more info
09 February 2009, 11:48 AM
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Discounts vehicles for H M Forces, forces vehicles discounts, new car discounts
"Order now for March delivery, subject to stock. List £24995. You pay just £20500 tax-free or £23785 tax paid."
"Order now for March delivery, subject to stock. List £24995. You pay just £20500 tax-free or £23785 tax paid."
10 February 2009, 09:28 AM
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Discounts vehicles for H M Forces, forces vehicles discounts, new car discounts
"Order now for March delivery, subject to stock. List £24995. You pay just £20500 tax-free or £23785 tax paid."
"Order now for March delivery, subject to stock. List £24995. You pay just £20500 tax-free or £23785 tax paid."
Of course it does mean the residuals for Joe Public will be massively hit again as they have been for the ST now the military cars have flooded the 2nd hadn market
