theboy

I was thinking of getting a ST, is the RS going to be a lot faster?

Janspeed

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Ok girls, calm down!

There might NOT be a Ford to produce the RS quite soon!

Dream Weaver

I really can't emphasise enough how much grip the ST has for a FWD car.

It's a different driving experience to any other FWD car I've had, which account for about 90% of my driving history.

I agree that ultimately, AWD is king in very slippy conditions but in real world driving there is just such a little difference between FWD and AWD that you would have to be hammering it to make AWD the clear winner and I'm too old for outright on the limit driving, even on a track. :blush:

For all those commenting on high power, FWD and ST's or RS you really need to own and drive one for a while to have a proper viewpoint, and I'm not talking weekend test drives or anything else silly like that.

My previous 205 was difficult in the wet - get the wheels spinning and it would go nowhere until you lifted, so when it was wet or slippy I would end up not bothering giving it any beans for fear of torque steering off.

But the ST is so different - I was out this morning in the wet/grease and on one particular right pedal moment it lost grip slightly at 1.2 bar of uphill boost, but instead of spinning and going nowhere, the ESP just kicked in a bit and allowed me to keep on going - it just doesn't have the "smoking tyre" wheelspin of other FWD cars I have owned and is almost like a very light ABS type feeling but moving forward.

As for point & squirt, that is exactly how I would describe my ST and it is pretty much the best car I have owned/driven to date.

For my driving style, the only advantage of AWD would be hooning away from a standing start (and looking like a ****), or absolutely flinging the car around tight hairpins (and looking like a ****), and I imagine it's the same for 99% of people on here. I just can't think of a situation I would be in where AWD would be a must, I'm not a racing driver.

Dream Weaver

My ST has remap, suspension, induction and exhaust and is around 285bhp so not much less than the RS, and in the real world it would be just as quick as the RS.

If they closed the roads, and I had to drive from here to the Lakes as quickly as possible against an STi and an RS I wouldn't be worried, let's just say that.

Mobbster

Hi
Dream weaver
The ST is a V-good car but after owning 3 of them all tuned to 260/280 bhp and the last one with the wolf package it will not be as good as an RS.
Ford are not going to build the RS only to have a tuned ST by say "mountune" out doing them.
They have put a lot of time in to the RS so im sure it will be quite a bit better than the ST in all areas.
Also the traction is good on the ST because you cannot achieve full boost in the first two gears and it also measures the cars steering angle and will also cut boost if to much lock is applied in the first two gears.
The RS will weigh more than the ST by around 70kgs though .
All the BEST
Cheers

Janspeed

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Another pipedream, I tell ya............................................:rol leyes:

Dream Weaver

Strange then that Ford quote the same 0-60 time of 5.9 secs for both the Mountune kit and the new RS, surely they would never do such a silly thing

I know 0-60 means nothing in the real world, but it does help to sell cars.

Mobbster

Hi Dream Weaver
Do your home work a little more one is 0-62 the other 0-60.
As i said before i have had the ST's and they are a V-good cars.
But ford wont shoot themselves in the foot and let a ford approved product "mountune" ford focus ST beat the RS performance wise period that would be plain silly
Cheers

Dream Weaver

This is Ford we are talking about!!

The same folk that put the ST iPod socket in the glovebox so it can't be reached.

I'd be amazed if you can tell a performance difference from 60-62mph

RS may be marginally quicker when released, but as I said I wouldn't worry about one if it arrived in my mirrors, on private land of course.

Mobbster

Dream Weaver
The RS wont scare me even the Mrs car will see one of them off
But if that dont work im off to the garage to get the Evo
Cheers

G-string

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As someone who comes from a xr/ rs background, and then had 5 scoobies, in between various other performance front wheel drive cars, Focus RS awesome car, should be, but as it aint a Cosworth or 4WD. Its not going to hold its value like you think. Alright it might be better than a Subaru residual wise but if you think its going to hold its value better than old focus RS your not going to be happy. Better car to drive everyday imho over the sti or evo, because everyday you dont drive on a race track and you dont have perfect weather (without rain snow, ice etc,). Sorry to blow your st/rs bubble but hey thats how it is, oh and if you can get get an evo or s3 for 25k I will have 2 of each

drb5

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I've already said, i just ment get a DISCOUNT off list list and therefore CLOSE to 25k.

As soon as you add metallic paint onto the RS, it's close to 25.5k. Evo is 26.9k and S3 similar....not far off the price tag even at that!


Think the old boy is going to pull out. Together with it looking more and more ugly(our opinion) and our dealer not dealing with us sensibly and price being set too close to cars we'd possibly rather be in, it doesn't cut it for us.

Maybe at this time next year, we'll consider secondhand.

Spudgun GTR

if the new sti had a ford and cosworth badge on it, people would be raving about it. i cant understand why people would want a fwd hothatch these days, no matter who makes it.

no matter how i look at it, i think its naff, and best left to chav boys doing laps of town centres on a saturday night. awd or rwd only for proper cars please.

Dream Weaver

Only those that drive like a **** on public roads would ever see the advantage of AWD/RWD over FWD in real world driving on normal roads.

As for everyday car G String, are you telling me a 4WD Evo FQ320 thing or a bumpy STI would be easier for my Mrs to drive to work than a Focus ST?

My ST is nicer and much easier to drive than our family Civic 2.2.

rabbos

Call me cynical if you like but the same team makes both the ST and the RS.

They take the focus and adorn it with whichever badge (and halfords accessories) the marketing lot tell them to.

You can feel an ST's weight through the corners and in braking. Adding another 100kg isn't going to help..oh wait more power and a revo -knuckle should bend the laws of physics

P1Fanatic

Each to their own. I think the current sti looks pretty sweet in white and the ins is only about £70 more per year for me than an ST.

As for the servicing how do you get to £800+ a year?

Simon

scoobyboy1

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Is it me or does anyone else think that all new affordable cars(sub 30k) are to heavy and ugly now. Best thing about having a Evo or a Scooby 10 years ago was that they had 280+bhp and where light and you could show some of these executive super saloons up with big bhp but weighed twice as much as a classic, now the newer shape cars have a extra 20bhp and weigh more.
Same goes for the Focus RS, old shape was light and now the new shape has arrived with lots of extra weight which in my opinion spoils newer cars, shame really as Id rather have a car with a better power/weight!!!!

P1Fanatic

So how heavy is an ST?

Simon

Shins

1392kg!

That makes the new FRS at least 150kgs heavier than the MK1 FRS (1278kg)!

Maxxed_Ross

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I had my name down for one of these new RS, but I sold my space on after deciding the Hawk-Eye was a far better (and cheaper) option

Nice as it is, at the end of the day it's still a ford, will still loose shed loads of value as soon as it turns a wheel and you will still be limited to what you can do by the FWD set up.

IMO £25k is far too much for what it is - I was expecting more around the £20k mark

P1Fanatic

I couldnt find it on Ford.co.uk (really not a great site for navigating model tech specs). Eventually found it on Parkers

Simon

MattW

So, anyone have one on order?

Maxxed_Ross

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I did, but fell out with the salesman and cancelled it

Bye bye big fat comission cheque

drb5

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It isn't even just the initial price....it's the fact that not ONE other dealer in the UK(or most places in the world i reckon), is ever going to sell ANY car at list price in the current economic situation, least of all a tarted up Ford Focus.

Discount is a must right now for the customers imo.

Pete

Yeah, cus Subarus DON,T.....

The Trooper 1815

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A Ford dealer in Oxford offered a new RS to my mate for £23k NEW! Depreciation is already hitting the RS before it's release.

Matteeboy

No car is remotely safe from depreciation now be it a Fiat or a Porsche.
Anyone that thinks "X" brand is safer than any other one is a deluded t1t.

Pete

Lol,

You,re not very bright are you??


If you read my post again i,m saying EXACTLY what you,ve said, i sadi YEAH CUS SUBARUS DON,T, with rolleyes meaning they do....

Matteeboy

Pete - I misquoted and actually totally agreed with you. The previous quote was meant to come up too (to put it into context) but didn't.

Engineering degree and run a pretty successful company PLUS we won the pub quiz not long ago. I'm a godamned genius I'll have you know...

Now get off this:



and onto something a little more suitable:

Pete

Just spat my tea out...


GREAT REPLY THAT....