john banks

I don't think Evos are better than Subarus. My reason for choosing a IX was that with very few mods indeed it would do what I want (400 BHP with good brakes, suspension).

The only issues I have with recent Subarus are: the EJ257 is weak without changing the pistons, the EJ207 doesn't have good twin scroll upgrade turbos. I'm not terribly keen on the long exhaust manifolds and the TMICs, but neither are huge issues really.

The Evo X weighs far too much for a puny 2.0.

Silver Knight

Still quicker than a 9 360 on the track though.

And wasn't that far behind (1 second) to a 500 bhp 9 with coilovers and big brakes.

Mobbster

Hi All
Bluerigster & madisonmonkey
Both comments are spot on
I agree with you madisonmonkey the spec c is a fantastic motor !
I was commenting on uk like for like cars. Im sure the spec c would run the 360 very close,but the figures i have it is still .4 slower to 60 and just over a second slower to 100. thats both 2.0 & 2.5 ltr spec c.
All the BEST
Cheers

banny sti

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There is no 2.5 spec c

Banny

Mobbster

Hi All
Banny sti i found the following mate

Impreza wrx sti spec C 2.0 ltr year 03 / 325 bhp / 1380 kgs / power to weight /239.29 / 0-60 4.28 sec 0-100 11.11 sec

Impreza wrx sti spec C 2.5 ltr year 06 / 320 bhp / 1350 kgs / power to weight / 240.84 / 0-60 4.25 sec 0-100 11.09 sec

All the BEST
Cheers

banny sti

iTrader: (68)

The spec c is a JDM model and they are still using a 2 litre engine. Only UK spec cars have been using 2.5 engines since 2006, however litchfield will do you a type 25 based on a spec c.

Banny

Luminous

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Just where did those figures fall from?

As Banny said, there has never been a 2.5 ltr Spec C. The problem with Imprezas (and not so much Evos), is that there has been so many damn models its really hard to find good info on a specific one.

I do know which is best though....both If you like one, you will like the other

madisonmonkey

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Surely a good enough indication that,

1. you shouldn't believe everything you read
2. figures don't mean ****

P1Fanatic

If I was being picky Id say what about the US they had the 2.5 before we did. But I know your referring to whats avail as a UK buyer

Simon

banny sti

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Good point However the US does not count

Banny

P1Fanatic

I was just looking at the US Subaru site. They sell the WRX at list for $24,995 which is about £17,500 at todays currency rates and Im sure from some of the comments by US SN members you could get that for £15,000 and their WRX comes with 265bhp as standard so is the same as the UK's WRX-S which is listed at £22k.....so costs £4,500 more

Simon

john banks

US car prices usually don't include taxes IIRC. You could pick a new WRX for £14K before GBP crashed.

Now that GBP has crashed, we have quite good deals on cars IMHO.

P1Fanatic

Aye. I was looking at Civic Type R GT's today. List is £19k but you can get from a dealer a 4 month old with 2,500 miles on the clock for £14,495 before you even haggle.

Simon

john banks

For just 10% more (again before haggling) you could have a 335i Coupe with 12000 miles, even though it is 2 years old. These days I wouldn't see much sense in spending £15k on a FWD hatch with little tuning potential. The N54 engine has similar emissions and economy to the Honda. The 335i weighs less than the Evo 10 and tunes to 380 BHP very easily... I'm almost talking myself into buying one LOL.

P1Fanatic

Mmm cheers for that. Hadnt looked at BMW before as didnt realise they had such low emissions and decent MPG for a 3.0 TT. Amazing the Co2 emissions are pretty much identical to the Civic. Even more amazing when you compare against the STI - similar BHP but the scoob is 243g which is L Band and in 2010 nearly twice that of the Civic/335 K band of £245 pa.

Might have to arrange me a test drive in one of those. Only thing putting me off is saloon/coupe boot impracticality and deffo dont fancy a touring.

Simon

Blind Side

Regrettably I have to agree with you. Subaru appear to have made a conscious decision to consign production of hard core drivers cars behind in history. The new model has confirmed this. Mitsubishi have elected to stay firmly in the serious drivers car market. I will be looking seriously at the Evo X FQ360 in a year or so. Show me any other new model 4WD turbo charged, tunable car with the performance & price of the Evo.... Different driving characteristics admittedly, but there you go.

Terminator X

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^^ The FQ300 has been slammed as awful though which puts it on a par with the new Scoob which, as standard, is awful too!

TX.

jeremy

Well here's the latest review of the new Type-20

Driver's Republic - Super Specials 034

what do we think about this? Monsters the road can't quite feel if the tyres are in touch though? Seems a problem? No?

Terminator X

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^^ Sounds like a rally car which is good in my book!

TX.

jeremy

I'm surprissed no one has any thoughts on this new type-20, is it that boring? At least this guy (Litchfeld) is trying to make the car into something decent.

Terminator X

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^^ Better response within SNGen section?

T20/25 are always good cars. Quite expensive as new, great 2nd hand buys though I tried to find a T20 a few years back, none to be found so bought a Spec C in the end

TX.

rickya

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Or maybe a mildly tuned 370 bhp Spec C !!

Mobbster

Hi All
Rickya a tuned spec c with 370bhp would be slightly quicker i would agree than an Evo X (10) But we were comparing like for like buddy
All the BEST
Cheers

banny sti

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That is like for like as technically speaking the evo x 360 is modified albeit by the manufacturer. For a fair race the two cars should have similar power.

Banny

rickya

iTrader: (18)

Right where & when

Dark Blue Mark

I think your mate has some driving skill issues. If you are a traffic light launch king then yes, you will naker clutches, but I covered 10k miles in my 400 bhp evo 8 and the clutch was spot on. I used to drive it very hard, just harldy did any launches.

Matteeboy

I'd struggle NOT to do launches in an FQ360. It's like sitting in a rocket!
One of many party tricks in that car.
I still want one.

john banks

I've lost a tooth off fourth gear in my Evo 9, but I was catching air, running 2 bar, although all on the stock clutch. Thankfully, a low mileage gearbox is a fair bit cheaper than on a Subaru, and I went through a few gearboxes on that. The five speed in the Evo 10 360 is supposed to be much stronger, but the top gear is too short for me to consider.

Blind Side

Spec C is also significantly lighter than the FQ 360 (1390 kgs as opposed to 1550 kgs) . This should give a lightly tweaked Spec C a clear advantage if they are running similar torque.

Dark Blue Mark

Depends how you do them really. If I wanted to punish someone at the lights, i'd try and give it no clutch slip to get into first, then foot flat down through the gears - not many people will catch you will 400 bhp!

If you are downhill a bit then you can be a bit more enthusiastic.

But mechanically, full launches are going to kill a clutch in a car with that much grip and that much power...