why wont my new monster brake kit fit?
21 February 2002, 02:12 PM
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Well done Jan-Egbert. Looks like it will be Dutch beer then 
I was over there a month ago, saw the signs for the river and asked the question... They are that big a company, it could easily have been the other way round.
It puts a humourous angle on listening to how Brem&£$*!&*^ came by their name, which of course is not a rip off of the market leader
It is the casting expertise of ex-employees from the Brembo factory that means that almost all of europe's alloy wheel production also happens within this corner of Italy.
I was over there a month ago, saw the signs for the river and asked the question... They are that big a company, it could easily have been the other way round.
It puts a humourous angle on listening to how Brem&£$*!&*^ came by their name, which of course is not a rip off of the market leader
It is the casting expertise of ex-employees from the Brembo factory that means that almost all of europe's alloy wheel production also happens within this corner of Italy.
22 February 2002, 01:30 PM
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Scoobymike,
thanks, just got email from a chap with exactly the same info, so looks like we're talking to the same person.
will talk direct with him so as to let you get on with your life
thanks, just got email from a chap with exactly the same info, so looks like we're talking to the same person.
will talk direct with him so as to let you get on with your life
22 February 2002, 11:41 PM
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I was really looking forward to getting the Movit kit but if spacers are needed then there is no way I will be fitting one. Shame cos the disc's look awesome, and being cast with the holes ought to be better than drilled ones. Wonder if the disc's would fit with someone elses calipers.
23 February 2002, 10:02 AM
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On a sort of related note I got to look over a STi Type UK last night, and must say that the brembo's on it are HUGE, there is minimal clearance between caliper and spokes of the wheels, plus disc size means the side of the caliper is close to the rim of the wheels.
Makes me wonder if STi wheels would clear the movits?
Don't suppose there is anyone out there that would let me borrow one STi UK wheel for a few days just to see if it'd fit over the movits?
Makes me wonder if STi wheels would clear the movits?
Don't suppose there is anyone out there that would let me borrow one STi UK wheel for a few days just to see if it'd fit over the movits?
24 February 2002, 12:26 AM
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This may be a bit off topic but.......
I have some Speedline Chrono wheels and as most people know these will not happly accomodate 4pot calipers. I did consider spacers to get around the problem but it got a very bad reception on the BBS so i decided to not go down that route. However on visitin' the Autosport show at the NEC i spoke to the guys on the Speedline stand and they had no problem with fittin' spacers, pointin out that most of the WRC cars run with them (??). I know that increasin' the offset too much would not be good for handling (as pinted out by Pete) but a small spacer shouldn't cause too many problems????
Then agen i don't really know. Hope you get it sorted neway, the brakes will look superb if you do get them on.
Tony.
I have some Speedline Chrono wheels and as most people know these will not happly accomodate 4pot calipers. I did consider spacers to get around the problem but it got a very bad reception on the BBS so i decided to not go down that route. However on visitin' the Autosport show at the NEC i spoke to the guys on the Speedline stand and they had no problem with fittin' spacers, pointin out that most of the WRC cars run with them (??). I know that increasin' the offset too much would not be good for handling (as pinted out by Pete) but a small spacer shouldn't cause too many problems????
Then agen i don't really know. Hope you get it sorted neway, the brakes will look superb if you do get them on.
Tony.
25 February 2002, 02:35 PM
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I have to agree with both Pete and the other Mike.
If you're going to make sweeping statements such as "...AP would be a step back. You know the facts." you have to expect some reaction from people who either a) sell these kits or b) know the real facts.
I think it's plainly clear that a lot of the people considering the Mov-it kit are doing so because of it's looks, which to me are definitely a secondary consideration. I saw a nice Scoob at tThe Ring with this kit and they do look the biz. Whilst they are undoubtedly a good kit (when they fit) the main area where Porsche brakes are superior to most cars is the ceramic discs, which unless you're willing to shed out another few grand for aren't relevant on these kits.
I'm not aware that anone has actually tested these kits back to back with other kits using the same pads, as that would be the only true way to 'get the facts'. We all know that any of the big brake kits are useless if you use the wrong pad, and pointless unless you actually USE them. How many people attend track days with their mighty kits and then still brake like girls? Ho hum.
Stef.
I have to agree with both Pete and the other Mike.
If you're going to make sweeping statements such as "...AP would be a step back. You know the facts." you have to expect some reaction from people who either a) sell these kits or b) know the real facts.
I think it's plainly clear that a lot of the people considering the Mov-it kit are doing so because of it's looks, which to me are definitely a secondary consideration. I saw a nice Scoob at tThe Ring with this kit and they do look the biz. Whilst they are undoubtedly a good kit (when they fit) the main area where Porsche brakes are superior to most cars is the ceramic discs, which unless you're willing to shed out another few grand for aren't relevant on these kits.
I'm not aware that anone has actually tested these kits back to back with other kits using the same pads, as that would be the only true way to 'get the facts'. We all know that any of the big brake kits are useless if you use the wrong pad, and pointless unless you actually USE them. How many people attend track days with their mighty kits and then still brake like girls? Ho hum.
Stef.
25 February 2002, 03:13 PM
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oooh, sounds like a challenge being laid down here
I have been thinking about some brake tests when (if?) I get the movits fitted, kinda thinking of 60 - 0 to see quickest stopping and shortest distance, plus repeated stops to see when brake fade occurs.
Theory being that there would be setups from standard 2-pots (OEM discs and pads) standard 4-pots, big brake kits, say, Hi Spec and Godspeed, then AP 4-pots, AP 6-pots, Scoobysport AP/Brembo kit, and of course movit.
Might give some ideas as to how they rate.
then of course we'd have to take to the track, but I'd probably ***** out of this bit
Suffice to say the test would NOT be a 'brake kit X is better than Y' kind of thing, it would simply be to see what differences different kits make, so ok, you could consider it a 'better than' test, but that would not be my intention.
I have been thinking about some brake tests when (if?) I get the movits fitted, kinda thinking of 60 - 0 to see quickest stopping and shortest distance, plus repeated stops to see when brake fade occurs.
Theory being that there would be setups from standard 2-pots (OEM discs and pads) standard 4-pots, big brake kits, say, Hi Spec and Godspeed, then AP 4-pots, AP 6-pots, Scoobysport AP/Brembo kit, and of course movit.
Might give some ideas as to how they rate.
then of course we'd have to take to the track, but I'd probably ***** out of this bit
Suffice to say the test would NOT be a 'brake kit X is better than Y' kind of thing, it would simply be to see what differences different kits make, so ok, you could consider it a 'better than' test, but that would not be my intention.
25 February 2002, 03:18 PM
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I think this would be impossible unless you tested them all on the same car, due to the number of other variables involved ie, car weight, suspension setup, tyre type/wear, pad type etc..
Nice idea though.
MS
Anyway, we all know my HSpec 6 pots with 355mm discs would win
Nice idea though.
MS
Anyway, we all know my HSpec 6 pots with 355mm discs would win
25 February 2002, 03:20 PM
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Martin,
yeah, you have a very big point there, one of the reasons why this idea is doomed to fail really.
ps, was waiting for you to say your Hi Spec's would win We'll see!
pps, if the movits don't fit then I'm going for the super secret 'WVM' (white van man) brake conversion, as these guys seem to be able to stop at an amazing rate
[Edited by Markus - 2/25/2002 3:21:55 PM]
yeah, you have a very big point there, one of the reasons why this idea is doomed to fail really.
ps, was waiting for you to say your Hi Spec's would win
We'll see! pps, if the movits don't fit then I'm going for the super secret 'WVM' (white van man) brake conversion, as these guys seem to be able to stop at an amazing rate
[Edited by Markus - 2/25/2002 3:21:55 PM]
26 February 2002, 04:49 PM
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Shoot me down if I am being stupid but can you not machine some of the alloy away?
Obviously depends on how much is needed to be removed, and how thick the alloy is to start with.
Is this not an option?
Spacers sounds like a horrible way to go and you should fit AP's instead.
Obviously depends on how much is needed to be removed, and how thick the alloy is to start with.
Is this not an option?
Spacers sounds like a horrible way to go and you should fit AP's instead.
26 February 2002, 04:58 PM
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hmm, machining the alloy, hmm, not too sure about that. to be honest I'd rather go with spacers than mess with the alloy in this way.
Possible solution though.
Possible solution though.
26 February 2002, 05:13 PM
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Personnally I would rather not upset the handling and steering etc.. but then you could tery and spacers as it might not make much difference..
Get the spacers and stick them on and drive the car befoere you fit the brakes then you can check and still send back the unopenned brakes if the handling is compromised?
Dunno about arch clearence on the front.. managed to get my wheels to clip the rear arch at the weekend (5 up and on some real bumps, and pushing it a little).
Hope you fine a satisfactory solution.
JGM
Get the spacers and stick them on and drive the car befoere you fit the brakes then you can check and still send back the unopenned brakes if the handling is compromised?
Dunno about arch clearence on the front.. managed to get my wheels to clip the rear arch at the weekend (5 up and on some real bumps, and pushing it a little).
Hope you fine a satisfactory solution.
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26 February 2002, 09:10 PM
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Final Result:
I said i would come back with the eventual outcome once the smoke had cleared. Unfortunately for 17 WRX 01 alloys its spacers-15mm ones at that! it would appear that this how Movit get round the fitment problem generally.
IMHO this is a lazy solution that is completely at odds with such an expensive purchase. Im disapointed as people like Ian from Godspeed have shown that changing disc offset can be a way of completely getting round the problem.
Anyway my brakes are being returned for a refund. The UK distributor Richard Jeal of Jaz Traction has not indicated that this should be a problem. Despite my disapointment i havent got a bad word to say about this guy. he was as gutted as Markus and i that it would not go straight on and in all his dealings has been very friendly and professional.
So now im getting some 6 pot AP's (stop laughing Pete, Mike etc!!) and cant wait to get them on.
I'll probably get flamed for saying good things of a kit that i never even managed to fit (!) but i was very impressed by what i unwrapped. The callipers monobloc design is THE way to go (tremendous weight savings- only 2.3kg per one) and they looked awesome. the pads that fit into these puppies are enormous. And for the cynics-it was all obviously genuine Porsche stuff.
If you have 18's then this kit should go on without spacers.It certainly does on the Evo's. For anybody out there with different alloys its worth giving Richard a call. He's had his fingers burnt a little with our order and im sure will have something set up now to answer the question of fitment prior to ordering
Regards
I said i would come back with the eventual outcome once the smoke had cleared. Unfortunately for 17 WRX 01 alloys its spacers-15mm ones at that! it would appear that this how Movit get round the fitment problem generally.
IMHO this is a lazy solution that is completely at odds with such an expensive purchase. Im disapointed as people like Ian from Godspeed have shown that changing disc offset can be a way of completely getting round the problem.
Anyway my brakes are being returned for a refund. The UK distributor Richard Jeal of Jaz Traction has not indicated that this should be a problem. Despite my disapointment i havent got a bad word to say about this guy. he was as gutted as Markus and i that it would not go straight on and in all his dealings has been very friendly and professional.
So now im getting some 6 pot AP's (stop laughing Pete, Mike etc!!) and cant wait to get them on.
I'll probably get flamed for saying good things of a kit that i never even managed to fit (!) but i was very impressed by what i unwrapped. The callipers monobloc design is THE way to go (tremendous weight savings- only 2.3kg per one) and they looked awesome. the pads that fit into these puppies are enormous. And for the cynics-it was all obviously genuine Porsche stuff.
If you have 18's then this kit should go on without spacers.It certainly does on the Evo's. For anybody out there with different alloys its worth giving Richard a call. He's had his fingers burnt a little with our order and im sure will have something set up now to answer the question of fitment prior to ordering
Regards
27 February 2002, 08:55 AM
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Just before anyone gets too excited, I would say that the Movits will almost certainly NOT fit under 18's without spacers.
The STi7 Brembos will not fit under any of the commonly available 18's because of the same reason - lack of caliper/spoke clearance - and Prodrive have had to have a brand new wheel cast with more spoke clearance.
The STi7 Brembos will not fit under any of the commonly available 18's because of the same reason - lack of caliper/spoke clearance - and Prodrive have had to have a brand new wheel cast with more spoke clearance.
28 February 2002, 01:10 PM
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Dave has a very valid point here. I saw the STi the other day and the clearance between disc, caliper and wheel are very, very close.
I'm told that the rimstock/Team Dynamics 7" x 18" Motorsport wheel is an amazing bit of casting and *might* fit due to it's size and offset of 45mm (does this equate to ET45???)
I'm told that the rimstock/Team Dynamics 7" x 18" Motorsport wheel is an amazing bit of casting and *might* fit due to it's size and offset of 45mm (does this equate to ET45???)
04 March 2002, 09:34 AM
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Andy,
no, the answer is that without spacers they won't fit under the standard MY01 17 inch wheels, which is what Matt and I have fitted to the car.
As for what wheels will fit, that's the $64,000 question.
I've been sent a caliper profile (like the AP one) and will post it on my site for people to download and use to see if the movit's would fit under thier wheels. Now, I'm *not* sure how accurate this is, but it will give a rough idea, but I would not hang your purchase on it. Can't say too much else, but I'm told that a more accurate caliper profile could be available and when it is I'll let everyone know. This will aid in finding out which wheels will work with and without spacers.
will keep everyone posted.
if anyone is interested in the caliper profile, email me.
no, the answer is that without spacers they won't fit under the standard MY01 17 inch wheels, which is what Matt and I have fitted to the car.
As for what wheels will fit, that's the $64,000 question.
I've been sent a caliper profile (like the AP one) and will post it on my site for people to download and use to see if the movit's would fit under thier wheels. Now, I'm *not* sure how accurate this is, but it will give a rough idea, but I would not hang your purchase on it. Can't say too much else, but I'm told that a more accurate caliper profile could be available and when it is I'll let everyone know. This will aid in finding out which wheels will work with and without spacers.
will keep everyone posted.
if anyone is interested in the caliper profile, email me.
04 March 2002, 10:02 AM
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I can confirm the P1 17"'s don't fit over these brakes - but I'm getting a set of alloys that do Will post the details when I have them.
Anyone want a set of P1 anthracites?
Richard
Will post the details when I have them.Anyone want a set of P1 anthracites?
Richard
08 March 2002, 10:46 AM
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Sorry for the delay guys - there's not much info on the web regarding these wheels. They're from a company called Eta-Beta.
Here's a couple of links;
Picture; http://www.nbsport.com/ - click on "Marcas" at the bottom and then on ETA-BETA at the top. Select the J27-29 wheel (looks similar to P1) - the 7.5 x 17 (ET45) allows the Movit GT3 kit beneath them.
UK distributor for Eta-Beta is;
http://www.performancewheelsupplies.ltd.uk/index.htm
Let me know how you go. I'm just arranging to get a couple of sets of these wheels
Richard
Here's a couple of links;
Picture; http://www.nbsport.com/ - click on "Marcas" at the bottom and then on ETA-BETA at the top. Select the J27-29 wheel (looks similar to P1) - the 7.5 x 17 (ET45) allows the Movit GT3 kit beneath them.
UK distributor for Eta-Beta is;
http://www.performancewheelsupplies.ltd.uk/index.htm
Let me know how you go. I'm just arranging to get a couple of sets of these wheels
Richard