Markus

curious to know what the outcome will be. I'd love the movits, but am not prepared to shell out for new wheels, not when I've just got new wheels and new tyres.

hopefully we can work something out. Personally I see it as a big stumbling block for scoobs in the UK with movit brakes.

If I manage to get them fitted, then I'd be more than happy to travel about and try different wheel sizes and types to see what fits and what does not, and keep a list of this info. OK, so it's something that movit should do, if they don't already, but it at least proves I'm willing to help out.

wonder if my dump valve has turned up, probably not, knowing my luck God, I sound just like a certain little donkey!

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

Matt , I can make bells with any offset , My discs and bells are deeper so the disc goes in further , Make any sense ? Ian

scoobymike

Mine do fit but then I've got a proper car. Also got a different opinion regarding flexing but let's leave that aside.
Other bells won't help as you'd need to redesign the brakets etc etc.
Markus I would say talk to Richard regarding the wheel/brake combo fitment test. I can't do anything as I'm not employed by Movit nor a sales rep. of them. It looks like you've just bought the "wrong" wheels for this combo as said my mates recently fitted this kit and are over the moon with it especially after having had the Alcon kit.

Mike

Markus

Mike,
thanks. as for buying the wrong wheels, well that's one point of view Anyway, i've emailed Geoff, Richard and Guido, so should get a response from one of them.

Bottom line, I'd love to have the brakes but am somewhat unwilling to have to change my wheels. I changed to 17's from 16's to get away from having to have spacers with the movit kit and I feel like i'm in the same position. well, we'll see what happens.

Godspeed Brakes

iTrader: (259)

If you got them to make different bells to suit your wheel get them to change the brackets , simple , and then it would fit ,

Markus

Ian, interesting point, they, as in movit do do custom brackets and I guess bells, they must do, because the kits do go on things from M5's to Vipers, and they won't be all the same mounting brackets.

have emailed Guido to explain the situation and see what can be done.

would love a really quick turnaround on this, fingers crossed.

matt b

Thanks for all the input guys and for keeping it on track- this is NOT about brake performance arguments- i wish it bloody was as it would mean they were successfully on the car!!
Scoobymike- No Markus and i did not buy the "wrong wheels." My purchase of the alloys was some months ago, way before the movits were on order. Richard knew precisely what i had and what the movits would have to fit under at the point of sale. Any doubts/issues should have been raised by him at the time.

These WRX 01 alloys are non-restrictive- the spokes curve outwards right up to the rim. if the movits dont fit under these 17's then i cant see them fitting under any.
As ive said above Geoff may have had a problem completely unrelated to clearance and there could be a happy end to this story.
We shall see

evscooby

ScoobyMike, you have a real car so anything fits!

We only have poor Soeburoes, that's the point. Understand that you can't do anything as it is (not yet) your job, but I must say that as Mov'it present itselfs on shows like Essen / Paris and you read there good looking brochures you can say that the will do the job! Custommade (also for our difficult 'car') is there strength and they have the open chance here to show!

Certainly best brakes, low spread etc. etc, but fitment is essential and I hope they help us out the 'QUESTION MARK'.

Other solution, buy an EVO ;-)

scoobymike

I can understand that this issue is putting you off big time, wouldn't be different if I was in your position. What I can't understand is if Richard knew the dimension of the wheels/spokes etc. that they don't fit at all. This is the first time I heard about that especially, as I've already stated, on my mates cars no problems with their 17inchers. I hope Guido can do his magic again as his customer service is very good.
Let me know how you get on. I'll probably speak to Guido myself tomorrow to see if I can shed some light into this matter. I anyway need my rears upgraded aswell as my "real" car needs them desperately to still have control of those wild horses!
Just a bit of patience,hope I'll have good news for you soon.

Speak to you all soon

Mike

matt b

Ian cheers again for your input (especially as this a rivals product your advising on!!)- Although i cant envisage what your describing i think you have the answer as changing the disc offset should hopefully negate the need for spacers. If the disc can be brought as close to the track rod end as possible the that might free up the necessary space. do you have some piccies that demonstrate you point?
Scoobymike- Your help would be gratefully appreciated.
Cheers

evscooby

Matt B,

maybe this clear the situation for you with bells and offset?

See:

[link]http://home.wanadoo.nl/sti_vii/brakes/offset/offsetbells.htm[/link]

EvScooby

matt b

Yeah that definitely helps. to fully understand i'd have to see both sides of the disc and what point makes contact with the hub as my recollection of the porsche disc and bell is v poor.
cos i dont know anything about the general manafacture of disc/bells discs im assuming from that pic that the disc can slide further on to the hub due to the fact that the hub mounting surface of the alloy bell has been moved further away from the disc itself i.e. the offset. Crap use of jargon there but if you can see what im fumbling around for- is that about right?

Andy Burrell

I have been looking at Movit but this thread is a little worrying. I have OZ Superleggara's 17" ET48 and these are a fairly close fit on the STD subaru 4 pot's. Lets hope Movit sort it out.

Mike Tuckwood

Hehe, Sorry to laugh guys, but Scoobymikes comment of AP being a step back just set me off.

Brembo make the Porsche calipers and they are HUGE, that's why they won't fit. You can't get a quart in a pint pot!

Again Brembo calipers on the new STi are HUGE. Don't forget, primarily Brembo are a high volume production company "badge engineered" brakes?

This is the reason that they bought out AP last year, because they are universally recognized as the best in the world at what they do; Brembo had been frustrasted for years by AP's convincing and deserved stranglehold on pretty much all areas of motorsport, something which they tried to compete with but never succeeded.


Mike.
An AP dealer because I compared all the other options and chose to be one

Dave T-S

Mike

Cheers - I was beginning to feel lonely

I have nothing but praise for my AP 6 pots, they have stood up to me standing on the pedal on four track days now, and still work like new.

I cannot understand what the point is in going to huge lengths to get around the Movit problems when AP's go straight on (please note guys this is only IMVHO and not a criticism).

Mike Tuckwood

Don't worry mate.... you're not alone.

matt b

Scoobymike & Mike
As its title and content suggests this thread has never been about performance argumentS. Bloody hell i have enough stress at work without coming home and arguing with someone on the net!!

I posted this to hopefully get some advice on what different ways fitment can be achieved. People have been really helpful so its been "job done, cheers Scoobynet".
Its early days yet and im sure Movit will come up with a solution.
I appreciate that there are others out there who are also interested in this set-up so I will reveal all as things progress. When you are the first (certainly in the uk and with 17's) to try something there will inevitably be teething problems.

I love AP'S and everybody who has them loves them too. Ive never heard or read a bad word about them. They are SUPERB. So Mike i think your business is safe!!

For what its worth I (subjective decision not intended as statement to world) chose Movits because Porsches have amazing brakes and the co is at the forefront of road-car technology (eg ceramic discs). I wanted to be DIFFERENT (thats all) and to add a bit of German engineering to my Jap rocket.


At the risk of being hypocritical i'll also add Porsche/movit callipers are only manafactured by Brembo on behalf of Porsche to their specification and BUDGET. They are not Brembos just the same as if Porsche had asked AP to do the manafacture they would not be AP's. Badged Brembo's are completely removed from Porker brakes. The Brembos's on an EVO or a STI7 have nothing in common with them apart from the fact that they come from the same factory. Thats why people like Scoobymike have binned their standard Brembos in favour of the porker set-up.
The discs themselves are manafactured in Germany to an incredibly high standard. What co other than Porsche would bother to go the trouble of actually having the "cross-drilling" cast into the disc so as to avoud any stress-cracking? Everyone else just drills or machines their grooves afterwards. The vane design on them is licensed and utilises two different alternate shapes to maximise cooling.

The above is not intended as a sly slag of AP. It all comes down to preference and choice. Surely those are good things arent they?

scoobymike

Matt/Markus

spoke to Guido today but didn't have enough time so he'll call me back tomorrow. I'll then inform you accordingly.
I don't want to continue a slagging match with a UK dealer who sells a UK product, full stop.
I'm feeling with Matt and I'm pissed off by the attitude of some people especially those who want to defend their business without having ever made the effort to compare the product they sell with a different product. It also doesn't contribute anything to solve the problem they experience.

Enough is enough, come back to you tomorrow.

Cheers

Mike

scoobymike

Matt/Markus

you've got e-mail from Guido.

Cheers

Mike

Mike Tuckwood

Oops.

My apologies, didn't mean to slag anybody off. Thought I'd answedred the question though with the "quart/pint pot comment. Enjoy whatever you choose?

Mike.

Markus

Scoobymike (too many mikes to just say mike )

Got the email from Guido, good to see the top man getting involved.

email basically says that they ususally fit 10 - 15mm spacers and the scoobs in the pics on thier site certainly had spacers on them.

ok, so, Scoobymike, do you have spacers on your wheels? I assume not, if so then I assume from what i've read that you're a 'progresive' driver and not found any problems.

Can you ask your buddy with the scoob if they definitley have spacers, if so then what size, and how hard do they drive the cars? do they take them on track?

As you can probably guess, I'm considering spacers, not sold on the idea at all, but would like to hear from someone with a scoob that has spacers and preferably has had them on the car for a while, and even better still, if they drive hard and/or go on track.

Oh, and Mike (Tuckwood I agree that AP's are tops as well, so you won't get no slagging off about them from me.

scoobymike

On the EVO no spacers needed. I don't know what you call a progressive driver. What I can say my monster runs on 1.5bar, is driven very hard on our backroads and occasionally on track. So you'd better say it's driven hard and aggressive. My EVO is only used for fun and never for commuting so the brakes must stand a lot, meaning braking from over 200km/h down to hairpins, endless hairpins with short straights with no time for the brakes to cool down.
My mate has used the kit on his EVO now a whole season on the Ring and didn't even have to change pads. Mind he drives it in about 8.10, so very, very quick. His car is featured on the Movit website , mine will be featured soon. On this year's 24 hours race the EVO VII team will use exactly the same brake setup with Pagid Orange pads which I will even use on the road soon.
My Scoob mates changed from the Alcon kit to Movit as on track with slicks the Alcon stuff warped immediately. They mainly use the car on track with slicks. They love the kit.
I'll check with them if they fitted spacers.

Cheers

Mike

Markus

scoobymike,.
thanks mate, kinda thought the EVO would not need spacers, if you can check it'd be great.

As for progressive, bit of an 'inside joke' that term. basically, would equate it to the kind of driver you probably are, ie; don't trundle along, drives at a pretty decent pace and enjoys driving.

Pete Croney

15mm spacers

I have only ever seen this kit fitted to one customer's car. He was using a wheel I had never seen before, which was an ET35. Despite having the arches rolled, it still fouled them. I shudder to think what it handled like and how frequently he got through wheel bearings.

What's the point in resolving the braking in a way that gives handling and hub reliability problems?

Mike's explanation of why Brembo bought AP is a bit "rose tinted" but it is true that Brembo have envied AP for some time. Why wouldn't they, the two have been the leading rivals in motorsport and performance OE fitment for years. If you can't beat them, own them.

I am a big fan of both companies (sell both companies products, use Brembo callipers and AP discs on my own car) and would agree with Mike that AP 6 pots would not be a backward step from anything.

There are several companies that have copied/adapted Brembo's name. Today's question is...

How did Brembo get its name?

Two pints at a club meet for the first correct answer posted here

[Edited by Pete Croney - 2/21/2002 11:24:04 AM]

scoobymike

Just talked to my mate. He uses 45mm offset wheels and doesn't need any spacers to accomodate the GT3 monobloc kit.

Cheers

Mike

Markus

scoobymike,
any idea what type of wheels he has? eg momo's? OZ? and what size (guessing 17's?)

sorry to be a pain on this.

TTZZ

Brembo is named after the river Brembo coming from the Valle Brembana

http://www.brembo.it/english/bg_sede3.html


Jan-egbert

Dave T-S

Pete - you owe me two pints - easy peasy, but then I did work with Italians for five years...

Brembo is the river that flows through the Taleggio and Brembana valleys, where the S. Giovanni Bianco plant is located

Dave T-S

Typical - some other sod posts while I am typing......

[Edited by Dave T-S - 2/21/2002 12:19:36 PM]

scoobymike

Markus

you can see the wheels on the link I provided. They look a bit like the OZ Superleggeras but aren't. I have to ask my mate again.
Very busy, don't earn my money with selling Movit kits so give me some time.

Mike