does 'child support benefit' from the government...encourage 'Chavs'..
27 November 2008, 07:34 AM
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Well I'm from a 'poorer' family and I got no handouts for university as such. Yes I got a student loan to help me through, but that needs to be repaid. All fees had to be paid in full.
As for hardworking people getting nothing, which could help relieve pressures... I am not entitled to a penny in 'help' despite me and my partner being on pretty crap wages to say the least. Our outgoings will be similar to many people on here in terms of shopping/bills etc. By your previous suggestions, my £191 takehome/wk would be more like £150. Going by that, I would become one of those people who would be better off having a child and fleecing the system for everything I could, hence in the long run, costing higher earners more supporting me to do nothing, than just paying more into the pot in tax, as some people have to do the crap jobs. At least us low earners are still working and paying in, albeit less, due to lower income.
I'm not about to go into the whys about me being in a crap job to a bunch of strangers, but believe me just becasue I don't earn alot, doesn't mean I don't work bloody hard. And think, I'm doing, as many others, a job that has to be done, one you guys wouldn't maybe want to, but I serve those and take crap from those higher up the working ladder for unfortunately not alot of money.
Sorry for ranting.
As for hardworking people getting nothing, which could help relieve pressures... I am not entitled to a penny in 'help' despite me and my partner being on pretty crap wages to say the least. Our outgoings will be similar to many people on here in terms of shopping/bills etc. By your previous suggestions, my £191 takehome/wk would be more like £150. Going by that, I would become one of those people who would be better off having a child and fleecing the system for everything I could, hence in the long run, costing higher earners more supporting me to do nothing, than just paying more into the pot in tax, as some people have to do the crap jobs. At least us low earners are still working and paying in, albeit less, due to lower income.
I'm not about to go into the whys about me being in a crap job to a bunch of strangers, but believe me just becasue I don't earn alot, doesn't mean I don't work bloody hard. And think, I'm doing, as many others, a job that has to be done, one you guys wouldn't maybe want to, but I serve those and take crap from those higher up the working ladder for unfortunately not alot of money.
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27 November 2008, 10:18 AM
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Nope, still the same. Whinning scumbags wasting peoples time with their pathetic tantrums
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27 November 2008, 01:37 PM
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I think that obviously any waste should be looked at - But we don't know how much is actually being wated. Of course The Sun andThe Mail highlight
some sensationalist claptrap, but thats all to sell papers, and often has very little to do with the truth of the matter.
And this is exactly what I mean by sensationalist claptrap. Kids aren't paid £30 "to stay in school".
EMA is there for kids, who come from household incomes of less that £30,000 ( it might actually be less than that) and go into further education. To get EMA they have to be on time every single day, and not be off sick, or not turn up. It encourages a work ethic. They get bonuses if they do well in exams. It is there so kids from poorer families are not under pressure to go straight into work rather than try and go through the college/uni route. It is an excellent system.
Benefits do not encourage people not to work - You can tell this by the number of people working vastly out numbering those not working. Of course you get some people swinging the lead. But from this place you would think *everyone* is taking the ****, and to be frank, that is just plain bollocks.
some sensationalist claptrap, but thats all to sell papers, and often has very little to do with the truth of the matter.
And this is exactly what I mean by sensationalist claptrap. Kids aren't paid £30 "to stay in school".
EMA is there for kids, who come from household incomes of less that £30,000 ( it might actually be less than that) and go into further education. To get EMA they have to be on time every single day, and not be off sick, or not turn up. It encourages a work ethic. They get bonuses if they do well in exams. It is there so kids from poorer families are not under pressure to go straight into work rather than try and go through the college/uni route. It is an excellent system.
Benefits do not encourage people not to work - You can tell this by the number of people working vastly out numbering those not working. Of course you get some people swinging the lead. But from this place you would think *everyone* is taking the ****, and to be frank, that is just plain bollocks.
You may well try to blame the reports of Government waste as sensational claptrap, and the results of shelling out all those benefits to people who are capable of work, and jobseeker allowance to lower the unemployment fiigures, as well as not counting young people out of work, the impression you give is that you are in denial really.
As just one example-tell us what you think about the "talent pool" into which they place civil servants who have become redundant on salaries when they have no work to do whatsoever? Is that the way to improve the economy?
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27 November 2008, 01:45 PM
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Unbelievable sweeping statements here.
Who was brought up in Cornwall and the son of a Butcher? Paul Myners, ex Chairman of M&S and multi millionaire.
Who has no qualifications, went to prison twice and didn't have a real job until he was 30? Duncan Bannatyne, multi millionaire.
Who speaks like he's from Croydon, loves chavvy bling and does business by swearing a lot? Phillip Green, multi billionaire.
I find it amusing that on a website with strong "chav" overtones, so many are so quick to crush the "underclasses." When actually many of them work their ***** off for nothing and any that achieve anything have arguably worked a lot harder than those who have been helped out.
Yes some rely on benefits and some are single mums - but do you all honestly thing it's a free ride bringing up kids on your own on a rough estate?
I know of plenty of middle and even upper class people who are downright lazy, think the world (usually their parents) owe them everything and are basically of no use to society - yet because if their background, they are considered non targets.
I think some of you need to look at yourselves before judging others.
Who was brought up in Cornwall and the son of a Butcher? Paul Myners, ex Chairman of M&S and multi millionaire.
Who has no qualifications, went to prison twice and didn't have a real job until he was 30? Duncan Bannatyne, multi millionaire.
Who speaks like he's from Croydon, loves chavvy bling and does business by swearing a lot? Phillip Green, multi billionaire.
I find it amusing that on a website with strong "chav" overtones, so many are so quick to crush the "underclasses." When actually many of them work their ***** off for nothing and any that achieve anything have arguably worked a lot harder than those who have been helped out.
Yes some rely on benefits and some are single mums - but do you all honestly thing it's a free ride bringing up kids on your own on a rough estate?
I know of plenty of middle and even upper class people who are downright lazy, think the world (usually their parents) owe them everything and are basically of no use to society - yet because if their background, they are considered non targets.
I think some of you need to look at yourselves before judging others.
27 November 2008, 01:50 PM
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Unbelievable sweeping statements here.
Who was brought up in Cornwall and the son of a Butcher? Paul Myners, ex Chairman of M&S and multi millionaire.
Who has no qualifications, went to prison twice and didn't have a real job until he was 30? Duncan Bannatyne, multi millionaire.
Who speaks like he's from Croydon, loves chavvy bling and does business by swearing a lot? Phillip Green, multi billionaire.
I find it amusing that on a website with strong "chav" overtones, so many are so quick to crush the "underclasses." When actually many of them work their ***** off for nothing and any that achieve anything have arguably worked a lot harder than those who have been helped out.
Yes some rely on benefits and some are single mums - but do you all honestly thing it's a free ride bringing up kids on your own on a rough estate?
I know of plenty of middle and even upper class people who are downright lazy, think the world (usually their parents) owe them everything and are basically of no use to society - yet because if their background, they are considered non targets.
I think some of you need to look at yourselves before judging others.
Who was brought up in Cornwall and the son of a Butcher? Paul Myners, ex Chairman of M&S and multi millionaire.
Who has no qualifications, went to prison twice and didn't have a real job until he was 30? Duncan Bannatyne, multi millionaire.
Who speaks like he's from Croydon, loves chavvy bling and does business by swearing a lot? Phillip Green, multi billionaire.
I find it amusing that on a website with strong "chav" overtones, so many are so quick to crush the "underclasses." When actually many of them work their ***** off for nothing and any that achieve anything have arguably worked a lot harder than those who have been helped out.
Yes some rely on benefits and some are single mums - but do you all honestly thing it's a free ride bringing up kids on your own on a rough estate?
I know of plenty of middle and even upper class people who are downright lazy, think the world (usually their parents) owe them everything and are basically of no use to society - yet because if their background, they are considered non targets.
I think some of you need to look at yourselves before judging others.
27 November 2008, 07:26 PM
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this thread has gone so off topic lol.
Matteeboy
very good examples of good old fashioned working class lads/lasses done good, but they're not kids of the 90's 00's with an attitude that they expect things to be given to them.
I know of people from families where they've been one of seven and they strive to get out the 'hole' they're in and do well, no qualifications etc etc.
But todays socity seems to 'help' those who don't want to help themselves.
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very good examples of good old fashioned working class lads/lasses done good, but they're not kids of the 90's 00's with an attitude that they expect things to be given to them.
I know of people from families where they've been one of seven and they strive to get out the 'hole' they're in and do well, no qualifications etc etc.
But todays socity seems to 'help' those who don't want to help themselves.
27 November 2008, 08:46 PM
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Would it be wrong of me to mention that I will be in full time education from January of next year, exempt from council tax and will still be recieving over £20,000 of money from the government to support me? 
28 November 2008, 09:41 AM
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And when I did it 9 years ago I didn't get a bean. I rented my house out and worked part time and had no debt when I finished, didn't even take a student loan out.
28 November 2008, 10:31 AM
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I bet you would have labelled all the millionaires I listed "lower class" before they made their millions.
It's not benefits monkeys that suck up the bulk of our cash - it's tax dodging corporates and bailed out banks, etc that have bled the country dry.
It's not benefits monkeys that suck up the bulk of our cash - it's tax dodging corporates and bailed out banks, etc that have bled the country dry.
28 November 2008, 10:36 AM
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Class isn't just about money.
28 November 2008, 10:41 AM
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Easily when made up of child related income or perhaps just living in an expensive area where rental is high.
There were some calculations a few months back sprouted around on here, showing a northern mum (So £500pm rental) with 2 kids getting around £25k worth of benefits.
That is £25k tax free, so she would have needed to earn in excess of £32k or thereabouts in order for her just to match the same lifestyle that benefits provided for her.
This situation is known as the benfits/poverty trap. Once you get yourself in, there's usually no way out.
The sums go up and up the more and more children you have.
The countries fault for providing such a system, not necessarily the individuals fault for getting what they are entitled too.
There were some calculations a few months back sprouted around on here, showing a northern mum (So £500pm rental) with 2 kids getting around £25k worth of benefits.
That is £25k tax free, so she would have needed to earn in excess of £32k or thereabouts in order for her just to match the same lifestyle that benefits provided for her.
This situation is known as the benfits/poverty trap. Once you get yourself in, there's usually no way out.
The sums go up and up the more and more children you have.
The countries fault for providing such a system, not necessarily the individuals fault for getting what they are entitled too.
28 November 2008, 10:43 AM
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I'd say class has little to do with money.
You get skint upper class toffs and loaded ex barrow boys.
What matters is how interesting people are, how much they get off their butts and how much they contribute to society.
I couldn't give two hoots if someone if a council estate dwelling "chav" or an Eton educated barrister - it's the one that is willing to help others and not have a negative effect in society that I am interested in.
I'd say the most dangerous threats to society aren't benefits grabbing "chavs" - it's Daily Mail reading fascists who have made a few quid and therefore think the World owes them all a favour that we should look out for.
You get skint upper class toffs and loaded ex barrow boys.
What matters is how interesting people are, how much they get off their butts and how much they contribute to society.
I couldn't give two hoots if someone if a council estate dwelling "chav" or an Eton educated barrister - it's the one that is willing to help others and not have a negative effect in society that I am interested in.
I'd say the most dangerous threats to society aren't benefits grabbing "chavs" - it's Daily Mail reading fascists who have made a few quid and therefore think the World owes them all a favour that we should look out for.
28 November 2008, 10:52 AM
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I'd say class has little to do with money.
You get skint upper class toffs and loaded ex barrow boys.
What matters is how interesting people are, how much they get off their butts and how much they contribute to society.
I couldn't give two hoots if someone if a council estate dwelling "chav" or an Eton educated barrister - it's the one that is willing to help others and not have a negative effect in society that I am interested in.
I'd say the most dangerous threats to society aren't benefits grabbing "chavs" - it's Daily Mail reading fascists who have made a few quid and therefore think the World owes them all a favour that we should look out for.
You get skint upper class toffs and loaded ex barrow boys.
What matters is how interesting people are, how much they get off their butts and how much they contribute to society.
I couldn't give two hoots if someone if a council estate dwelling "chav" or an Eton educated barrister - it's the one that is willing to help others and not have a negative effect in society that I am interested in.
I'd say the most dangerous threats to society aren't benefits grabbing "chavs" - it's Daily Mail reading fascists who have made a few quid and therefore think the World owes them all a favour that we should look out for.
28 November 2008, 10:56 AM
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Olly - my point is that people here are slating the "lower classes" and the "underclasses" as if all are the same. They are not.
People can be money grabbing lazy wastes of space whatever their class.
I find those that slate any class are trying to make sure everyone knows there own "class" bracket - and they almost always think it's higher than it is.
Ask me what class bracket I fall into? I have no clue whatsoever.
People can be money grabbing lazy wastes of space whatever their class.
I find those that slate any class are trying to make sure everyone knows there own "class" bracket - and they almost always think it's higher than it is.
Ask me what class bracket I fall into? I have no clue whatsoever.
28 November 2008, 11:21 AM
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Olly - my point is that people here are slating the "lower classes" and the "underclasses" as if all are the same. They are not.
People can be money grabbing lazy wastes of space whatever their class.
I find those that slate any class are trying to make sure everyone knows there own "class" bracket - and they almost always think it's higher than it is.
Ask me what class bracket I fall into? I have no clue whatsoever.
People can be money grabbing lazy wastes of space whatever their class.
I find those that slate any class are trying to make sure everyone knows there own "class" bracket - and they almost always think it's higher than it is.
Ask me what class bracket I fall into? I have no clue whatsoever.
- YouTube - The Frost Report - An Understanding of Class
28 November 2008, 12:48 PM
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seeing that this thread is way off what I originally posted about.
THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT.....
giving more child benifit, to those who sit on their back sides expecting money being given to them paid for by hard working people.
Does it encourage single parent kids having kids bringing up kids?
Does it encorage a 'don't bother going to work' attitude if you get paid more to stay at home having kids?
Matteeboy, just cus you might have millions in the back makes no differeance, money doesn't buy breading or class,
some of the chav-est peeps are some of the wealthiest.
Oi, Chav! Check out me website! ? The Register
THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT.....
giving more child benifit, to those who sit on their back sides expecting money being given to them paid for by hard working people.
Does it encourage single parent kids having kids bringing up kids?
Does it encorage a 'don't bother going to work' attitude if you get paid more to stay at home having kids?
Matteeboy, just cus you might have millions in the back makes no differeance, money doesn't buy breading or class,
some of the chav-est peeps are some of the wealthiest.
Oi, Chav! Check out me website! ? The Register
28 November 2008, 01:37 PM
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I think the old question of "class" should be thrown out of the window. A person's background does not necessarily dictate his intelligence or how he behaves, or how much of a success he makes of his life. As was said above, a person's character largely depends on how he was brought up, and a poor background does not mean that he will be someone to be denigrated or looked upon as someone of low intelligence.
Two Jag's inbuilt and classic inverted snobbery is just as bad of course when it comes to talking of those from a richer background.
As ever it is down to the parents, and the will of that person to overcome his humble beginnings.
Les
Two Jag's inbuilt and classic inverted snobbery is just as bad of course when it comes to talking of those from a richer background.
As ever it is down to the parents, and the will of that person to overcome his humble beginnings.
Les
28 November 2008, 01:53 PM
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seeing that this thread is way off what I originally posted about.
THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT.....
giving more child benifit, to those who sit on their back sides expecting money being given to them paid for by hard working people.
Does it encourage single parent kids having kids bringing up kids?
Does it encorage a 'don't bother going to work' attitude if you get paid more to stay at home having kids?
Matteeboy, just becAUSE you might have millions in the baNk makes no differeEnce, money doesn't buy breEding or class,
some of the chav-est peeps are some of the wealthiest.
Oi, Chav! Check out me website! ? The Register
THE QUESTION WAS ABOUT.....
giving more child benifit, to those who sit on their back sides expecting money being given to them paid for by hard working people.
Does it encourage single parent kids having kids bringing up kids?
Does it encorage a 'don't bother going to work' attitude if you get paid more to stay at home having kids?
Matteeboy, just becAUSE you might have millions in the baNk makes no differeEnce, money doesn't buy breEding or class,
some of the chav-est peeps are some of the wealthiest.
Oi, Chav! Check out me website! ? The Register
My point is that the "targets" are always the poor - yet the super rich legally con the government out of millions every day. Nothing to do with class at all.
28 November 2008, 02:04 PM
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28 November 2008, 02:06 PM
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Anyway back on topic, those who take benefits are likely to have their snout in the local Harvester, crap food, crap diets. They will all be expired far before those with a degree of intelligence.
28 November 2008, 02:34 PM
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28 November 2008, 05:13 PM
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spelling has nothing to do with it, not every one can do it naturally even if they've been privately school educated.... it's like being ghay.. you're born like/with it.
The thread topic wasn't titled lets have a dig at the poor, the point I'm trying to get peoples thoughts on is the fact that governments seen to reward those who don't want to do anything.
Oh and it's not Harvester they go to, it's the TWO 4 ONE pubs.
