Hell mate. I use to think that also. I would go along to church when I thought I would give it a go (if you like) and I would say. You know I'm good guy. I look out for people help people He will let me in.
Errrr actually no, he won't. He will judge you the same as everyone but you chose not to believe in him. What do you reckon he will do. Its like when you were younger one of your mates would **** you off, so you would say you won't come to my party

 

There were 9 crusades and i'm pretty sure they didn't go back with pamphlets another 8 times
If they said you would go round the corner and die and had proof not a problem, but they don't have any proof of Hell do they?

 

Personally i like this as an example of how stupid some of the organised church stuff can be:

"When i was little i prayed and prayed that god would let me have a bike for christmas. Then i realised God doesn't work that way so i nicked one and asked forgiveness"

Some people need to take the Christian blinkers off if they believe the chuirch (all of them) has always been good. What about the problems still existing in Northern Ireland today? Even Scotland has bigotry issues with Christians try to force a different brand of christianity on other christians. Total joke.

5t.

 

Riiiiight
So stealing land that isn't your's, based on religious beliefs, is perfectly fine.
Nope, I think you'll find that THAT is the basis for lots of killing/war.

Why would God want you to smite all the non believers in that land just so you can sell tickets to tours of Jerusalem and build overly ornate and precious temples.
What difference did the land make if you guys have your 'faith' to rely on etc. Why does this not extend to land, why do you have to attach a physicality to it when that land is really no longer really relevant to modern religion apart from appearing in stories.

 

Its a lot more convenient not to believe in religion or some kind of superior power so it is not surprising that there is so much anti religious comment.

We are entitled to make up our own minds of course but it is quite unnecessary to take it as a chance to insult those who have decided to follow a religion.

If you don't want to believe in a God thats fine by me, but I think it is only fair to respect other peoples' feelings as well. I certainly would not wish to impose my beliefs on any one else either.

This poster is a bad idea and will only provoke ill feeling in both directions.

Les

 

No I didn't say it was perfectly fine...... I don't agree with war at all.
Mate I have no idea why the crusades happened. Maybe they were not true believers and they will be judged for their actions.
I under no circumstances agree with any of that and as a believer don't see how a fellow believer would. But I also know alot of people who say they believe that actually don't. And most are in the church today. There are alot of 2 faced people within the church and this is a huge problem in my opinion.

 

They may have done

 

Nope, I'd let a mate come to my party, because I am all forgiving

OK, I've heard all this tripe (IMHO) before, I come from a very strict Glaswegian Catholic family and have done all the bible reading, catichism (sp) lessons and such.

Sorry, the whole thing of this god even being comprehensible to our minds is a joke anyway. Something so powerful would not necessarily think in definable human ways. I find that religious folks appear to attach human personality traits to their gods the same way people do with animals, as it comforts them.

I am open minded but just not totally blinkered, as very well said by 5t.

 

I consider myself a religious man, but rather than praying all day, I feel what we should be doing, is doing good to others. God didnt create just one of us, he created billions of people, and we have the oppurtunity to help them, respect them, and in turn, hopefully we get the same back from them... your engine blows, someone helps you build it, then hopefully sometime in the future, that person has some misfortune, and you help them out. God works in the same way, you respect what he gave us, and he will respect you

I came to Japan 2 years ago, the religion here is buddhism. But in truth, there is no "organised" religion or "practicing" religion here, people are just nice people (most of the time), and it doesnt take religion to live in a nice safe community, whereas England is full of churches and people calling themselves christians and catholics.....but look at England, no respect, not a nice place to be tbh.... Organised religion is not the answer, having a brain is

I have questioned my religion since coming here, but I havnt questioned my God.

There are good people on this earth and bad people.... Thats not down to God though, thats down to us.

 

I flipping didn't I remeber using that line quite a bit

 

Still not with you on the God created us bit but have to agree with the rest of your post dj.

Having been to Japan and seen how they treat each other makes me despise this country (i've go 2 mates now living they because of the state this country is now in).

 

Tehy're off to that extra special hell then eh? lol.
There are too many holes to pick from either side. We will be here until we actually find out in person whether there is an afterlife of any sort (which I am not completely disbelieving of, just it may be a big pool of energy somewhere with no conscious being).
I will never be able to accept Christianity. I have also decided not to worship the Roman or Greek gods, Muslim, Hindu, Buddhist or the Earth goddess. They're all just wrong because you say they are though I suppose
As I said, I'm open minded, just not a blind follower of others

 

lol

 

I thought I'd better say, for the record. I have mates who are super into they're own respective religions but it doesn't mean I hate them etc. I just think they're mad just kidding.

People are free to believe what they want, I'm free to think it's all a bit of a con.
I don't let it interfere with friendships etc. but I do have some great debates though.

 

Nothing wrong with that. Who truly knows, like you say we will be here all our lives fighting it out. But as long as the believers and non-believers get on with one another I can't see there should be an issue.
I will laugh at you down in Hell though when I'm up on my cloud

No I won't, that would be very unchristian of me

 

Are they of "Mass Debate"

Thank You Thank You, I'm here all week

 

hehe, no worries
I have an uber-Christian mate who calls me Satan and I call him Jebus (he's a big Simpsons fan), we have a great laugh about it all.

I totally prefer a dry heat anyway, them clouds wouldn't be for me

 

was gonna say OMG!! but I guess I can't do that, lol

 

Its funny isn't it. I always get called Bible Basher or Basher for short by my mates

See I'm the opposire I hate too much heat and prefer a bit of breeze. Surely this proves there is a God and he chose me over you because of this

 

No you can't cause he's MY GOD
But if you let me knock on your door and give me 5 mins he could be your God too. Then you can say it all you like

 

totally agree, common sense is the answer and respecting others all that is spot on

Where i have a problem is that all the nice Buddists you know in Japan are going to eternal damnation because they don't believe in the right God. They've lived the way God would want them to, they've respected others, they've helped outhers and they've turned the other cheek etc but they've never been to church. Are they bad people? Do they deserve the fate that awaits them?

5t.

 

Well, seeing as alot of religions have some sort of 'hell' for non-believers, it figures that everyone is going there! You might as well live your life like a c*nt then

Geezer

 

Not necessarily.... I don't believe that for one bit. I think they will be judged as if they hadn't heard of Christ and therefore will get in
You can't fault the Buddhists

 

Yep, my soul was marked since birth I reckons, just like in Reaper

My mum and I used to actually have nice chats with the JW's who came to our door. They were usually very nice and chatty but we just had differing beliefs (I was more a practicing Catholic then). One of them was a really fit blonde woman though so that obviously helped her a bit in recruiting

Right, time to go out spreading my heathan word, how'd you like my look?

I was a real cute baby

 

They are great for the family album, Satan must be so proud of his son

 

Oh my goodness me, some of Mok79's explanations of the world we live in are some of the funniest things i have ever heard, how can someone be this deluded, have they never done a Science GCSE.

Jehovah witness's doing me a favour and helping me out pmsl

I was going to put a big long reply here, but i am almost sure he is just taking the ****, just to give people some comedy on a Wednesday morning.

 

If they did every bus in london would be a smouldering burnt out wreck. You know what those peace loving muslims are like

 

Nope never done science. I am so deluded beyond belief. Oh no I used that B word i'm even more deluded

Well i'm not taking the P*ss so long reply please.

 

JP Holding's once asked, “What is it that would convince you that Christianity is true and that Jesus arose from the dead? What is it that’s standing in your way right now to believing that?” Well the question is the same as asking what it would take to believe that any cult leader’s claim is true. My mate is Jesus, What would it take you to believe that he is? Does this sound absolutely absurd to you? That may not exactly be on a par with the probability of the resurrection of Jesus, but such a claim is simply unbelievable to every thinking person right?

Explain to me how the Bible is as an inspired book, since it contains absurdities and contradictions, being as it were, written by an ancient superstitious people before the rise of modern science. I see no intelligent reason why God revealed himself exclusively in the ancient superstitious past, since it was an age of tall tales among the masses at a time when they didn’t understand nature through the laws of physics. The Bible contains too many beliefs which we (even Christians’) reject today. Christians must scramble to reinterpret these things along the lines of modern science, psychology, and biology.

A recent change in Christian theology is Preterism, as a way to explain why Jesus hasn’t returned to earth. So basically someone in our modern times has sat down and wrote this saying that Jesus will not be returning “within this generation.” How do they know this? What gave them the right to modify such a large portion of text?

If everything about Christianity makes rational sense to an all knowing God, then God could’ve created human beings with more intelligence so that the problems of Christianity are much more intellectually solvable than they are. I would need to have a better way of understanding such things as the trinity, the incarnation, the atonement, and why a good God allows so much intense suffering even to the point of casting human beings into hell. Short of God creating us with more intelligence to understand his “mysteries,” God could’ve explained his ways to us. He could’ve written the “mother of all philosophical papers” by answering such problems as, “why there is something rather than nothing at all?”, why people deserve to end up in hell, and questions about the atonement, the trinity, divine simplicity, the incarnation, the relationship of free-will and foreknowledge, and how it’s possible for a spiritual being to interact with a material world. He could’ve explained why there is such suffering in this world if he exists. He could’ve explained why he remains hidden and yet condemns us for not finding him in this life.

Why is there so much Bible difficulties for you Christians? So much so, that a 450 page book needed to be written explaining them away, one persons interpretation (church appointed), which you now use as fact?

Do you really believe Jesus arose from the dead?. I don’t, there is no historical evidence, not enough for a fair minded person to believe anyway. You Christians believe in Jesus’ resurrection not because of the evidence anyway. You believe it because someone you trusted told you, the mind is so impressionable that we have a very strong tendency to believe what we are first taught to believe, and with that belief as our presumption, you have a very strong tendency to argue that it's correct as you have been doing in this thread, some of the things you have said are bizarre though, but you believe it based upon a person you trusted and in the story itself. In doing so it brings you a comforting (but delusional) relationship with God, which includes forgiveness, friends, and saves you from hell. And from that day forward you filter all of the evidence through your faith.

Religion is a numbing drug that the rich and powerful used to manipulate the common person imo. Freud argued that people believe because of a longing desire for a heavenly father figure. Nietzsche argued that religion is for weak people who feel the need for it.

What about the highly questionable account of Noah’s Ark from a common sense point of view. Within the story, we have a god who has to modify virtually all of his creations for the solely expressed reason of the people having become wicked and evil (Genesis 6:5), yet wicked and evil people continue to exist throughout the Bible. The foundation for the story fails to make sense. Why would an omniscient god have to destroy all of his work for a specific quality that he knew would continue to exist even unto this very day? The flood was for naught, yet God carried out his horrific genocide anyway. This is the most retarded premise ever conjured by the human mind. God is omniscient. By definition, his omniscience requires him to have known at the time of Adam and Eve that he would later desire to start from scratch at Noah. This unnecessary and foreseeable correction is hardly the logical course of action for an omnipotent god to take, you agree? What about the similar Epic of Gilgamesh in the Sumerian legend which predates Noah’s story by at least one thousand years in the written form.

Why am I a non believer? Well First, because the sceptical inquirer does not find the traditional concept of God as "transcendent," "omnipotent," "omnipresent," or "omnibeneficent" to be coherent, intelligible, or meaningful. To postulate a transcendent being who is incomprehensible to the human mind (as theologians maintain) does not explain the world that we encounter. How can we say that such an indefinable being exists, if we do not know in what sense that being is said to exist?

 

The evolutionary hypothesis provides a more parsimonious explanation of the origins of species. The changes in species through time are better accounted for by chance mutations, differential reproduction, natural selection, and adaptation, rather than by design. Moreover, vestigial features such as the human appendix, tailbone, and male breasts and nipples hardly suggest adequate design; the same is true for vestigial organs in other species. Thus, the doctrine of creation is hardly supported in empirical terms.