That's fine - Just stop the religous folk asking us to prove their brand of God doesn't exists.

If God exists explain George W Bush, Hitler, Tsunami & Infractions.

 

Thanks Torque

I have to say though. Leslie does have the same outlook as me. I know what he is saying. I think it was comments in this thread, particularly by "dedrater" that were a bit much, just because we have a belief.

 

I don't think people are being derogotary towards djm because of his beliefs, it's because he puts up such idiotic and (seemingly) trolling responses.

The subject could be anything to be honest, but responses like that will always ellicit responses like the ones that being posted to him now.

Geezer

 

The title of this thread, if you havnt noticed already, is stating that there probably isnt a God..... so anyone saying that there is no God, their only contribution to this thread, should be one proving that there is no God. Simple...

Also funny how the OP put a capital G for God..... and even if that is a qoute from the original campaign, why would the campaigner put a capital G for God?.... I always try to rememeber to put a capital G for God, out of respect for God.

"this is what starts wars"..... Thats the most ignorant statement I have heard in a looooong while..... Its the people who cant cope with others having a belief who start wars.

Why cant all you non-believers just accept my belief? Why do you have to mock it, like Leslie quite clearly said.

Lets get one thing straight... A belief in God, came before a non-belief in God. FACT. The initial belief in God didnt cause any problems in the world and society, it was the people who couldnt accept that belief who started conflicts.

And if anyone says, "why dont you accept our belief that there isnt a God", simple. Not believing in somethings is literally that.... not a belief.....

Then, any kind of issues that have occured, are from those who dont want to believe in God, battling against those who do believe in God.

All through this thread, I have given examples of why I believe in God... nothing strange about that, otherwise there would be no point in me joining this thread.

@Torquemada... I studied architecture.... what does that have to do with it?

@Geezer.... You come into this thread, saying there is no God. If so, be a man, and live your life as if there was no God. I dont give a flying f*ck what other people are influenced by, or what they say. If we all write the date in accordance to Jesus' birth, then you go do your own research to when the world really started and go write your own special date on any documents that you write.
And believing in God "doesnt take any effort".... Why on earth am I standing up for my belief on this forum, it takes a little effort I tell thee. Driving 80km's to my nearest church on sundays, that sure takes effort at 7:30am.

TBH, I really dont give a damn if anyone in this thread does, or doesnt believe in God. I have given my reasons for believing in God, and questioned why people do various God related things in their lives, yet reject God.... No trolling, no retardedness, just sticking to the thread trying to prove my point.

But I hope that you will all agree with me on at least one thing. I wish that this world full of good people. People who respect each other. People who repect others belongings. A belief in God helps me do this, because I fear that I may be punished if I am bad to others. Can you at least understand that?

It doesnt take religion to be a good person.

Yes, some religious beliefs are crazy, like the 9/11 bombers, but on the whole, I think any religion tries to help people live a good and honest life. Can you at least undertand that please?

I live in Japan, and this country is full of people, who either have no religion, or at least they dont practice it as much as catholics or muslims. BUT, the people here have respect for those around them. I dont have to worry about people stealing my car, or breaking it etc. Every Japanese person I have asked, "do you believe in God", they have replied yes.
Maybe that has something to do with it being a good country, maybe it doesnt, I JUST WISH THIS WORLD WAS A BETTER PLACE WITH NO SCUM, AND THAT PEOPLE WOULD SHOW SOME APPRECIATION FOR WHAT THEY HAVE!!!

 

I don't need god to do this.

For me this comes naturally

In the words of moses - Peace out bros

 

Which of my comments offended you exactly?

 

We really shouldn't have to go over that again, suffice to say, please read earlier posts

Because there are two things here, gods in general and the Abrahamic god, who's name is Jehova, or more commonly God, as in a name. There is no respect or belief at issue here, just following grammatical rules.

Absolutely. Whatever those beliefs are. People start wars, not religion, but that also, I believe, has been covered in this thread.

No one is mocking your belief, they are mocking your replies, which to be honest, don't make much sense and appear to be incredibly uninformed or naive.

Actually no. You believe it did, like you believe in God, but all the evidence suggests that humans evolved long before religion did, so it's really more likely that non-belief in God (or more accuratley just non-belief, they wouldn't have thought anything much) came before belief.

Mmm, I don't think anyone has actually said that really, but we will have to agree to disagree there.

I don't "don't want to believe in God", I don't believe. There is no desire to, I just don't due to lack of evidence. I'm not battling against you, nor I believe is anyone else here, it's just a debate. Well, it's less than a debate as you don't seem to want to answer nay logical question put to you, but that is your prerogative.

True enough, but when pointed out why (from a logical viewpoint) those beliefs are flawed, you either ignore them or just come back with some daft response about why we shouldn't use the dates we currently do etc. By that reckoning, all Muslims and Hindus, Buddhists etc. are equally stupid for using a dating system that simply makes it easier for everyone .


Well, I would quite happily use a date system based up on the age of the earth, of the ascent of man, or anything to ber honest, but seeing as no one else does, it would be a rather stupid thing to do. On that vein, why don't you stop celebrating Christmas and Easter as they are not anything to do with Jesus Christ. Maybe it's because it's simply easier for Christians to have a common date they can celebrate the birth than all scrabbling round doing it on different dates as know on can pin down the supposed date of birth?

Your effort? Well obviously it is no greater effort than any non-believers replies, so where does that leave you? Try making the effort of actually questioning everything you believe, looking at the evidence. It's alot more than simply sitting back and thinking God did it all.

That is fair enough, but you need to do better to try and prove your point....

Totally agree, I have always said that if it brings people comfort, then it's no harm. It's only when they try to foist it on others it becomes harmful. I don;t know you from Adam (please excuse the use of a religious figure ) and you may not discuss your religion outside of this forum, and if that is so, then of course, your beliefs are nothing but your own and no harm or annoyance to anyone.

That is not the point of this thread though.

Organised religion is about control, your personal beliefs are just that. If your beliefs make you lead a good life, all well and good, but do not pretend that religion (or any other form of tribalism) is good. This thread is not about knocking religion, is it questioning the existence of God or gods.

Geezer

 

Strange, you are the most ignorant person I have ever come across, the fact that people have answered the questions put forward by you in a logical manner for you just to blind side them.

Stop using the date, use your own if you don't believe in god? Listen to yourself man!

 

djmisio85, the extent to which you think our (atheists') adherence to common conventions with regards dates, throw-away phrases and so on somehow proves an alleigance to God astounds me. Do you really think we would invent our own calendar etc just to make a point about not believing in God?? I'm gobsmacked that you think things like that are relevant in any way whatsoever, but you obviously do.


Simply stupid you mean, but nope, you won't have it will you? Your little story, our problem to prove you're talking nonsense. 100% illogical.

 

djmisio85

If god is everywhere then why can't you just pray in your back garden and help save some cash and do your bit for the planet whilst you are at it ?



Anyway, on a more serious note, the link below is a brilliant (IMHO) paper written by Dr Albert Ellis (leading psychotherapist who died recently) which labels 'religion' as basically a form of mental illness.

Long read but well worth it if that is your viewpoint.

The Case Against Religion

 

I do hope you realise that any "believers" reading that will of course get struck down by god .

I'm not clicking it just incase dj is right - I'm too scared

 

djm, I wanted to know what you studied as this may have had some kind of relevance to the style of your posting. Turns out that it doesn't, it is rather worrying that someone who is supposedly well educated would come out with some of the strange things you have said in this thread.

Oh and in further reference to the above and also to your stating that a particular comment by another poster was "the most ignorant statement I have heard in a looooong while", no one has posted anything more ignorant than you already have in this thread.

I respect your need/want to believe in a deity and peoples freedom of choice generally but you go on about standing up for what you believe in and then criticise others for not having similar beliefs

Most of the harsh comments have been directed at you because of your nonsensical posts, not your beliefs.

 

I can't remember if it was djmisio85 or MOK79 now, but either way, could you explain your reasoning (just encase anyone had missed it) about why rocks have not evolved, from your viewpoint.

Thanks

 

The thing is, I dont go to church every week... Believing in God, and practicing religion do not have to be related.

I was raised as a catholic, and try to go to church when I can, But since coming to Japan, I have realised that you dont need to go to practice religion to believe in God. Also I pray most nights before I go to sleep. In my bed, not a church, in my own home. I thank God for any good things that happened to me, I ask him for help, thats my belief, and thats the way I do things. Id rather believe in God, and fear him so that I dont do bad things, than be something like a chav, with no regard for anything around them....

dedrater, I said that your "statment" was ignorant, not you.... but you called me ignorant....

I might as well bow out of this thread now, I hope I havnt offended anyone on here, as I enjoy being a subaru owner and a part of scooby net. I have put forward my reasons for a belief in God (not for practicing a religion), and questioned why others dont believe in God. This shall be my last post in this thread, I just hope we can take all the issues discussed in this thread, and put them to use, by trying to make the world and its people a better, safer and friendlier place

 

You certainly haven't offended me, nor anyone else I believe, it was just the lack of coherent reply that was perplexing!

Geezer

 

Excuse me for having missed that bit, but please could you remind me what those reason were again before you go? Given that you yourself have already stated;

Cheers.

 

No worries with not holding grudges over a debate etc. but I don't think this thread will influence anyone to be any nicer than they already are or anything like that.

I used to pray every night and go to church every week when I was younger, went to 1st holy communion etc. etc. but I looked at things more closely and had to change my beliefs. I wouldn't tell you to change your beliefs, just examine things, rather than blindly following

Dang, I can hear me now as a kid "now I lay me down to sleep, I pray the lord my soul to keep..." amongst others, every night.

You will never live down the rocks thing though djm, I'm sorry but on that one, your fate is sealed

 

Scoobynet has a big thing about God

Religion/religious beliefs (or lack of) IMO started going seriously downhill from mid 80's onward.

Basically,computer games,mobile phones,text messages and the Internet/Wikepedia and having a Wii took our powers of understanding to a new level.

BTW,I believe in God .

I think our actual understanding of life/the universe/God amounts to approximately 0.0000000000001% of what actually is going on and when we have all snuffed it people will still be arguing about it (and who has the best i phone)

 

wasn't that line used in a Horror movie? The Elm Street jobby or something similar?

 

yeah I think it was!

 

I really can't be bothered to go through djm's naive comments one by one, but it may just be worth pointing out that if he can't work out that profanity has little to do with beliefs and many superstitions have nothing to do with any gods then this conversation really is dead.

 

Can you blame us when the non religious keep asking us to prove that God exists? Your point is a "non argument" if ever there was one!

You must have a mistaken idea of the meaning of His existence. When the existence of a world is set into motion, what makes you think that it has to be total perfection? If we all lived in an environment with no problems whatsoever, we would have nothing to strive for and we would all be topping ourselves in no time at all!

Now I will give you something to sneer at! Those who believe in God say that life is a trial to prove whether we are fit for the benefits of a further existence after death. It is how you deal with life's problems and how you behave towards other which proves your real character.

That should provide a bit more for the non believers to shout about!

Les

 

Why are innocent children born with leukemia and holes in their hearts etc, dead before they've had that chance ?

 

I believe in the tooth fairy and Santa.

So why don't you prove to me they don't exist.

Religions were created as a very effective way of controlling the great un-washed when they couldn't think for themselves.

Some of us have evolved from that early position .

 

I can prove santa existed, he was a danish philanthropist called sinta klaus

 

We've covered the issue of "proof" before, having said that, for anything I believe in, I can at least show a reasonable amount of imperical evidence to support it. I see no reason why deities should be a special case and exempt from the same standards.

 

Hey - stop ripping the **** out of my belief mechanisms.

The existence of Santa (and the elves) is all that prevents me from becoming a mass murderer !!

 

I believe in Bigfoot, he prevents me from hiding in the woods and jumping out and shouting boo to old people.

 

Empirical is not necessarily positive Olly. No one said that Deities should be different, but sauce for the goose etc.!

Les

 

For all you know I might believe in them too!

What do you think of an organised society which also attempts to control those that you so rudely refer to as the great unwashed?

Once again you attempt ti use an old and worn out statement to denigrate someone else's beliefs.

I dont care what you want to believe in and would not try to change your mind. All you are doing is vainly trying to justify your ideas when I have not even tried to undermine them.

Les