Just thought id dig up this cracking thread, and ask the "non-believers" a question....

When you put a date on a document for example, what year do you write?
I personally put a date that refers to BC or AD...... If you dont believe in God/Jesus, then why are you dating any documents, in reference to when Christ was born???

Also, think it was geezer saying how all the festivals/special days, which we cosider religious holidays, like xmas and easter, are actually "pagan" festivals.....
Well, lets go back to how none of you have a problem with believing in Evolution.....then, guess what.... the "pagan" festivals, and your good friend "evolution", joined forces, and the pagan festivals evolved into religious holidays

and lastly, if you dont believe in God, then I hope that you dont believe in anything that science cant explain.... no crossing of fingers, no saying "oh my god", no nothing!

I wish thee a good night

 

Dates?!?!? Personally I just whack down a load of random numbers and letters.....

Your understanding of why certain things have had to be adopted by the majority seems to be non-existant Do some research.

Tell you what, all us open minded people (rather than just 'non-believers') will adopt a completely different set of ways of writing the date, speaking and celebrating things, yeah.....that's genius!

But ultimately I just have to at your post

 

djmisio85 - Christ on a bike!
Can you honestly not answer your questions yourself? The answers are so bleedin' obvious you just mark yourself down as a nutjob, and it's not worth anyone explaining things to you, as you'll never understand...

 

Well, apart from the fact that this has been covered many time on here (possibly in this thread already), you need a common point of reference for everyone to use as a date. It is only fairly recently that societies in the far east have adopted this date system, and that is mainly because it was foisted upon them by the US and Britain, who opened them up.

It is simply a convenient thing. If some other religion had been the one adopted by the major western bations, then we would be using that one instead.

The notion that it is the birth date of Jesus Christ (which quite frankly it isn't, whether you belive in it or not) is meaningless in the context of a standardised dating system that can be used worldwide.

That is quite simply one of the stupidest things I have ever read on SN, nearly as bad as your evolving rocks one!

They didn't evolve, they were hijacked by the church to allow pagans to convert. Do you actually read any of the replies posted?

Hmmm, anything that science can't explain is simply that. There are countless examples over the last few hundred years of things that science couldn't explain, but now it can. What's so difficult about that?

"Oh my god!" is simply an expression of surprise/horror/pleasure, anything you like, it's just another phrase to use.

Geezer

 

I dont think people had bikes when Christ was alive

If you guys have the ***** to come onto this thread, saying that there is not a God, then you should have the ***** to go live a life where NOTHING is related to God..... Go do it, new dates, no superstitions at all, no cursing using the lords name, no asking any kind of god for help....

Seems kind of silly with all these people having such strong views that there cannot possibly be a God, yet they do things that are related directly to religious belief/other supernatural belief everyday ie writing a date, if you dont believe in God and Christ, dont write the blooming date.... hypocrites some may say

And you guys are calling me cuckoo

Be a man, dont worry about what other people might say about you..... Its appears Im doing that right now, just the other way around, standing up for my belief in God, no matter what others may say

This thread is an "All or Nothing Thread", if any one single part of your life includes anything to do with God/Christ, and you accept it (like a date) then get the hell out of this thread otherwise, I can assume that you believe in God

 

djm, you have now pretty much proven yourself to be a wind up merchant.

Either that or you're one of the most stupid, ignorant and deluded people I have ever virtually met

 

Right, I'm off out to go bash some Christians as I'm so anti religion

 

Lol you guys crack me up

Ill give you another example of me seeing God last month. I was driving along a local mountain road in my courtesy car, because my sti was in the garage for maintenance.... And being in a slow car, I wondered what I would do, if a sports car came up behind me, would I move over, or would I try and keep in front of them.... Then literally 20 seconds later, the first car I come across of all cars, is a white STi blobeye from behind, exactly the situation I was envisaging 20 seconds earlier....

And so I was given my chance to see what I would do I promptly put on my indicator to the left, and let the Blobeye over take me, (just like I would have overtaken a slower car if I was in my STi)......

I see God in my life everyday, I have a right to believe in God, and I shouldnt be in any sort of fear to have my beliefs (as long as they arent beliefs which set out to harm people)

I have the ***** to stand up for what I believe, and if anything, its not God that I fear, its other human beings that I fear. I dont know if I would put my life on the line, if I was faced by a group of non-believers who wanted to kill me for believing in God, but in that situation its not a fear of God, its a fear of Humans.... who in this case dont believe in God....

 

Obviously a troll or severly mentally challenged.

 

And another thing, one of the main aspects of Believing in God, and this happens to apply to christianty, is that "Happy are those who belive without seeing"

I havnt literally seen the figure of God, but I believe in him through what I see around me.

In this same sense, having trust in anyone you know, is that same as believing in God. You meet a new person, and you can judge them by their appearance, and what they are doing, but everything else, you have to believe/trust in any aspects of them that they havnt showed to you.

If you believe in a person, just by their word, then why does it seem so alien to you people, that someone like me believes in a God, just by what Ive been told? If there was no belief/trust in your neighbours, the world would not have developed to such a level it is at now...

 

Nah mate, just believe in God.....

 

I know we don't generally agree on, well anything, but your right.

The guy has gone from having a respected differing view to some on here, with some valid points of view people related to, to spouting absolute nonsense and gibberish.

So when I drop a cup on my foot or accidentally paper cut myself, do I shout 'bugger' as I would like to have **** sex? No... It's said as an obsenity, something which curbs the rush of adrenaline which you encounter when somethign like that happens.

Seriously, give up as you are looking more and more like a stubborn minded fool who is un-prepared to take others point of view on board.

Give up now, as the "brain-washed" personality you are putting across (to me personally having read your replies), does you no favours what so ever.

 

Er, ok, I will come up to you dressed in a suit, tell you I am trustworthy and that you should give me your car, all your money and allow me to take your children (if you have any) on a camping trip with me. I shall offer the same evidence to you that I am a trustworthy person as there is for the existence of God (i.e. **** all) and then you can have faith in my word, and hand over all of what I have asked for.

Will you go for that?

Your replies now are verging on on the nonsensical (not that they were ever anything but really....)

Geezer

 

So when you cant prove to me that there isnt a God, instead you resort to insulting me and calling me a troll.....

All my posts have been on topic thanks And all my posts are about my experiences of God. None of your input has tried to show that there isnt a God..... So I consider you a troll... because youre winding me up....
Having a belief in God, takes a little bit of effort, for example me writing stuff on this thread. If you believe that we have been given this great life for free, and someone doesnt expect something in exchange (ie respect for God, the earth, the people around us etc etc) the personally, the whole concept of something like work is BS according to you. You work, and you get money. You respect God, and you get a life

 

Erm, ok

Won't go into personal experience's as if I have had any, then the guy upstairs doens't really like me.

The fact more people are echoing what I say to you, good sir, has pretty much made my mind up.
I'll bow out, as looking in your previous posts, you're not the kind of person to admit your wrong or compromise on opinion.

We shall agree to disagree, like you and most others on here

Fantastic

 

So do you believe in the existence of God (a higher authority, even higher than IB Admin) or the word of the bible, or both?

 

This is how wars start

 

It's all kicked off in here again.

I initally came onto this thread to defend the rights of people to believe what they want to, as the thread was, as usual, just an attack in believers to a point. However, the way I see it, you have the right to believe in God, but others have the right not to. They can't stop you having faith, but you won't change their minds. You wanted respect to follow your beliefs, it's only fair you respect the rights of others not to share them.

The fact is it can't be proven either way if there is a God or not, so basically you will have people who believe there is, those who don't and those who don't care either way. Any of them have the right to hold their view, and if we all just accepted that, and respected each others' difference of beliefs or lack of, I'm sure the world would be a better place. Only my opinion.

 

Wise words indeed.....

 

Why thank you Gene.

 

Yes amen to that!

The retard religious types have the numbers, but the non-believers have the brains and so it would merely be a case of posting up a few well worded signs:

'Jesus hath commanded you to headbutt a spike' or 'Jesus said ' lay down your arms and run towards the non-believers machine gun turrets with love in your hearts'

Then clean up a bit and job done ! another layer of bull**** removed from society, and a more intelligent gene pool.

 

There is no higher authority than our own humankind. We create our own destiny, for good or bad. Religion strives to promote incredible explanations as truth - and I mean incredible in its literal meaning. There were two good historical outcomes from religion - specifically Christianity - as far as I can see - firstly that someone 2000 years ago said that it might be a nice idea to be considerate to others; secondly the need for the printing press to be invented to make Bibles - by scientific process, no less.

Religion should be consigned to the history books where it belongs. This is the 21st century and I find it quite obscene that so many of my fellow humans rely on faith instead of hard truth.

And seeing as I can't bear to look at this thread again, I'll say this as well. I am an atheist. We all have one life to live, and once it's finished, that's it. There is nothing else. We can either choose to do wrong and once we're gone people will be glad, or we can strive to do our best for others while we are here, and we will live on in people's memories. That's the real, and only, afterlife that there is for us. Make the most of your life while you're on this earth.

 

You either don't listen, are stupid, or are in denial (or all three!). People have explained to you several times on this thread that it is not possible to disprove anything.

That, however, does not mean that God (or anything else claimed without proof) exists. The burden of proof lies with the claimant.

Your experiences of God are flimsy at best, ridiculous at worst. Read 'Beyond Coincidence', it will show you why your 'experiences' are nothing more than, well, coincidence. Well, for a normal, rational person it would.

Having a belief in God requires no effort, that's the problem. It really is the easy way out. "Why is the earth the way it is?"

Easy answer:"God made it, praise be to him"

Or, alternatively, a huge amount of effort to actually find out what really happened, leading to true knowledge.

Geezer

 

Bugger, I've just dropped a cup of coffee - I wish the devil would leave me alone!

I'm happy that religion exists - I dread to think what the god-bothering zoomers would be doing if it weren't there to distract them....

 

Jesus (in a totally non theological way).

So every single word, every last single word we've posted about the onus of proof lying with the believers has gone in one ear and out the other, right?

Have you actually allowed your brain to think clearly about what we've said on that subject, or do you metaphorically stick your fingers in your ears and chant "prove He doesn't exist, prove He doesn't exist" over and over again?

Can you understand our frustration that you expect us to believe your little story about God? You need to have a chat with yourself about what criteria you use to start believing in things. I guarantee you, i absolutely guarantee you, that your "faith" in God will be logically inconsistent with everything else you believe in your life.

 

djm, you started a thread not long ago, stating that you had paid back your student loan. What did you study?
(please answer the questions from the others first though, or do you not read any other posts on here with a view to having a balanced debate?)

 

You always come up with a good balanced post Lisa. You are right of course.

Its a waste of time arguing about His existence, its a matter of preaching to the converted in either direction. It is a personal business whether you have complete faith in Science for all the answers, or in a supreme being of some kind who is responsible for it all and who would have created all the scientific answers anyway.

I cannot understand however why those who don't believe in a God have to be so unpleasant or derogatory towards those who do. What are they trying to prove I wonder. Does it really matter in the great scheme of things that there are those who have a different opinion and is it really vital that they have to slam those who believe in God?

I think the term is "tolerance", you could either call it "Christian" or not-depending or your views!

Les

 

Les, I don't think anyone's been really derogatory or unpleasant here (well, apart from calling religious types retards , yeah that may be a bit much)

A lot of frustration is being created due to the attitude of the poster towards so called non-believers. It is accepted that there will be no way to prove existance or non-existance of a deity but there are a lot of poeple on here who do not like to be told they are idiots because they don't believe in God and that their lives are worse because of said lack of belief.

Reading the thread again, it is not full of derogatory remarks or unpleasantries, just alot of poeple trying to have some kind of normal debate and asking reasonable questions (mostly through curiosity I'd imagine) and then having bizarre statements thrown back, asking things like why rocks haven't evolved etc. etc.

This is why people are saying that the poster in question is either a troll or off his rocker, there are no balanced answers being returned, just fairly ignorant counter statements and questions.

Have you actually read some of the things djm has written?

MOK has a good live and let live attitude and doesn't tell us that we are lesser persons due to loack of belief, only that he feels that things are better with God in his life etc. Nowt wrong with that really.

 

Yes thanks for your reply.

If not in this thread, I have seen a lot of unpleasant references to those who are religious, mostly on the lines of "retards" or much worse. That is what I meant. Also when discussing the matter with others I have often been referred to in a similar fashion. It usually sinks to a points scoring affair which proves nothing with meaningless excerpts from statements which signify nothing when out of context. No one should be called retarded or deluded for their honest views whether for or against. This sort of discussion is always started up in a fashion designed to slam those of religious beliefs.

My point is that we all have a right to believe what we feel is right and that a person's honest views should be respected-on both sides of the coin.

Les

 

No problemo

I know what you are saying, it can all get a beit nasty. As noted, even I ended up speculating that maybe djm was deluded, out of frustration with the tone of his replies and lack of acknowledgment that others views were no less qualified than his.

Definitely agree though, debates like this are destined to end only one way as no one will back down.

I'm a complete minority in my family, coming from a Glasgow/Dublin based uber-Catholic family, who believe that I may be the spawn of satan
so I can see it both ways.

djm did feel the need to resurrect (in a Lazarus stylee ) this thread and does seem a little bit like he is on the offensive himself here.

Pistols at dawn I say!!