Scoobychick

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Is that because you don't watch it any more? I distinctly remember you saying after Japan that you weren't going to watch any more F1 races...

f1_fan

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The implication is clear in your post. The thread denigrates Ferrari for team orders and as soon as someone points out McLaren doing the same thing you come out with a stupid comment about my name being Chris (Purvis I presume)! Never mind, you carry on!

PeteBrant

I meant live.

Watching then recorded in my bath robe with a massive hangover doesn't count.

f1_fan

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No and you won't have done because Hamilton was told to not to challenge Alonso.

"There will be times and places when they are free to race, but this isn't one of them. Consequently have to decide in advance which one of the team’s two drivers will claim the victory."

Ron Dennis on Monaco 2007.

PeteBrant

Was't there a "first corner first" policy or something like that? Alonso clearly let Hamilton by (albeit grudgingly) in Indianapolis.

I think that it would be foolish in the extreme not to expect team orders to come in to play at this point of the season. I mean this is the real deal now, the Championship is at stake.

fast bloke

I think a 'no insane passing attempt' policy is more common sense at Monaco. Rumour had it that they called Hamilton in early to keep him behind Alonso. This was investigated by the FIA and found no fault. So do the FIA investigate team orders or do they not?

Pete - I wasn't aware of Alonso capitulating in Indianapolis. I remember him asking the team to ask Hamilton to let him pass, (well gesticulating wildly at the pit wall - maybe he just had cramp in his wrist or something)

PeteBrant

I got it wrong, Alonso didn't let Hamilton past.

BBC SPORT | Motorsport | Formula One | Hamilton shocked by early success

I remember it now - Alonso pulled alongside down the main straight as if you say "I can take you if I wanted to"

Scoobychick

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You must've forgotten to mention that in your original post then

Anyway ya big wuss, recording it and watching it later is for girls

scooby L

I thought it was who ever is leading at the end of the last pitstop rule within Mclaren?...

IMHO a sensible rule on tight circuits, the team need points as well as the drivers, by ensuring both cars finish, not both knocked out by a rash overtaking move between team mates over 2 points.

I did smile though, Kimi spent 3/4 pf the GP showing the Ferrari team he was quicker than Massa yet still had to conceed 2nd... I suppose he was hoping he'd catch Lewis thus solving the problem ...

fast bloke

.....Domenicali was quizzed about the Massa-Raikkonen pass and pointed to a muddled German Grand Prix in July, during which Hamilton overtook his fellow McLaren man Heikki Kovalainen with ease, on the way to eventually winning the race.

“You don't remember what happened in Germany and no one has complained, between Kovalainen and Hamilton?” he asked.


That would be the same race where he passed Massa like he was stopped? Maybe I saw it wrong and Kovalainen was actually quicker than Hamilton and had to slow down to let him catch up?

hoskib

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i settled down on the beanbag, beers at the ready, watched the first 1/2 hour, flicked over to sky sports news to check on spurs, very first thing that scrolled up was the F1 result then spurs went 1 down

gave up, turned off the telly, fired up the playstation and spent a few hours shooting zombies in the face on resident evil much better.

ScoobyWon't

Hamilton claimed his fifth win of the season in Shanghai and ninth of his 34-race career to move up to 94 points in the Championship standings.

But with Felipe Massa taking second place, the Brazilian still stands a chance of winning as he has 87 points.

This means Massa has to finish first or second in Brazil in order to stand any chance of winning the title.

Should the Ferrari driver finish first, Hamilton needs to come home fifth or better to win because if he finishes in sixth place, although they will be tied for points, Massa will have one more race win than the McLaren driver.

And should Massa finish second, Hamilton needs to come home in seventh place to take the title as then he will have one point more than the Brazilian. But if he finishes eighth and ties with Massa for points, the Ferrari driver will steal the crown by virtue of more second place finishes.

However, if Massa can only manage third place it doesn't matter where Hamilton finishes as the title will be his.

HTH

scooby L

So do you think we're going to have safe tactics from McLaren?

Go for a safe 3rd or 4th with an already used engine? Or will Lewis go for the win... prob collect Kimi...and Massa ends up world champion lol...

Leslie

In actual fact I was not "moaning" at all. I was curious whether that rule over team orders exists and if it did why was it not questioned about Raikkonen letting Massa past. There is no doubt that he did just that.

I personally don't have a gripe about so called team orders either anyway.

Les

Gear Head

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If Kimi has no chance of clinching the title, why wouldn't he let the Massa past? Driver's can do what they like.

PeteBrant

In an ideal world, they qualify 1st and 2nd and manage to get a good start, Hamilton off in front well out of trouble.

However, I think Massa is going to get pole in Brazil. I dont think you can overestimate the extra lift a home grand prix gives a driver.

Its a question of What happens to Hamilton then, If he qualifies second then depending on the start he gets, it may be wiser to let Raikonnen go if he is anywhere near him.

One thing is sure, I don't want him to be anywhere near Alonso. I don't think either Ferrari Driver would purposely off Hamilton, but I wouldn't trust Alonso not to for a second.

f1_fan

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LOL, that would put even Suzuka 1990 into the shade At least it would give us something to talk about

scooby L

It would be his ultimate revenge, to McLaren & Lewis...

I'm sure he's not that twisted though...plus he's out to score brownie points with Ferrari maybe, so a good clean finish to the season would only benefit his cause.

Gear Head

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As I have said, if Kimi performs the same next year as he has this year, I think he can say bye bye to his seat. Alonso never has a bad day at the office, much like Schumacher.

Leslie

I quite agree with your first bit Chris, but was only asking if that sort of thing was not permissible according to the rules. They made a big enough fuss about it when Coulthard had a personal agreement with Hakkinen to do just that.

Actually I think a lot of the drivers are wondering what they are allowed to do now!

Les

Leslie

As Pete Brant says, I would not want to be in Alonso's reach if I was in Hamilton's shoes.

Les

Gear Head

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That was the first race of the season in 1998. It caused a bit of an uproar as there was no need for such an agreement at the first race.

Things are a bit different when you are in the last 2 or 3 races of a season. Although you will probably know that due to all those championships you have won.

spireite

Can't see how you can have a world champion driver in F1 if your team mate is instructed to let you pass ,personally i'd be embarassed to stand on a podium knowing how i'd won .

Gear Head

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Teams are not allowed to be instruct driver's to change positions (unless there a mechanical issue) .

However, as I have already said, the driver's can make their own decisions. If you were driving for an F1 team and you had no chance of lifting the title, but your team mate did, do you think it would sit right with your employer if you chose 'not' to let them pass? Fine, you maybe ahead in that particular race, but what the **** have you been doing for the rest of the season? Much like Kimi and Ferrari this year!

spireite

Chris it doesn't matter how much you dress it up if your team mate decides to let you pass you have been gifted points ,hardly sportsman like and as i've said i'd be embarassed to stand on the podium thinking back over the season how i'd become world champion cause lets face it if someones gave up their position to you ,you haven't really WON anything .

Leslie

Two points. I did not say how many championships I had won, merely that I was successful. Secondly we used to drive in a sporting and sensible fashion using the rules fairly to try to win, and no one would dream of trying to put another driver off the road. In fact if anyone tried that in our class I think they would have been taken on one side by the others!

I used the word "sporting" in the old and true meaning of the word.

Les

Gear Head

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Did you not post this?

'You are saying that championship successes, 6 lap records, and being selected for a works drive count for nothing then?'

I assumed that that meant atleast 'two' championship successes?

And what has that got to do with anything?
I thought we were talking about team orders?

I just referred to your experience as I thought that you would recognize the difference between team orders at the start of the season and at the end.

p1mark

just fo reference Les -

https://www.scoobynet.com/motor-spor...ri-seat-3.html

Actually still one or 2 things there you may wish to answer / reply?

Gear Head

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Me 2. Maybe he meant on TOCA?