Truthfully, only imo, there are so many issues that need addressing within society now, for one reason or another. That doesn't mean the easy fix, of throwing money at it, or for that matter ignoring entirely. There needs to come a point, problems are addressed from the root, not just sticking a plaster on. Things will never go back to how they were, and possibly never should, but I firmly believe someone needs to look at the issues we are faced with, and attempt to actually deal with them.

It doesn't help, across the board, many values appear to have gone out of the window. This is apparent in lower classes, as much as any others from what I see. Morals/respect and general decency are less and less apparent, for whatever reason, and this honestly seems to be not necessarily class dependent. Maybe we all need to take a look at ourselves, and how we behave, so much as judging others.

 

Bring back the poorhouses - the buggers wouldnt have the energy to breed so many wasters

 

My take on this.

Abolish Welfare.
Abolish NI.

Make income tax per annum (per person):
3% on earnings under £30K
4% on earnings up to £40K
5% on earnings up to £90K
8% on earnings up to £180K
12% on earnings up to £500K
20% on earnings up to £1000K
25% on earnings over £1000K

Now, here's the hook.

Anyone, in any band, attracting a tax take by Central Goverment can choose to make a donation to:

A. The Local Diocese / Council, (To care for those falling on hard times, etc) Every pound donated earns a Tax credit of 10% of the value donated.

B. Nationally, (To care for those falling on hard times, etc)
Every pound donated earns a Tax credit of 20% of the value donated.

C. Globally (To care for those falling on hard times etc)
Every pound donated earns a Tax credit of 30% of the value donated.

Any healthcare costs should be covered by insurance for those wishing / able to pay for it. Anyone unable to pay for healthcare should be able to make a representation to the Local / National / Global fund managers.

D.
Section 13
Chapter 06
Paragraph 66

"All drivers of Subaru Imprezas will be exempt from fuel tax and will be eligible for an annual [Nationally paid for] "Jolly" to the Nurburgring"

 

Precisely.

 

Only annual?

 

Words fail me!!!!!

 

In this day and age it's not about generating men fit for the front line, it's about instilling some discipline and self worth.

 

Pay for the first, if you can't get a job or keep you legs shut after that, tough.

 

Maybe, but many years the situation was quite different than it is now. We had full (well, whatever measure they use to say "full") employment and we had a thriving manufacturing undustry and litte IT penetration. Unfortunately now, virtually all of our manufacturing industry has gone, and IT has allowed companies to employ much less people for far greater return. This and other factors mean there are less well paid jobs around for a greater population.

We have less police, more people and less jobs. Whatever your stance on benefits and how people out of work should be treated, the simple fact is that if these people have no money, and cannot get jobs, you cannot leave them to starve. Apart from being an amoral thing to do, the rise in crime would be incalcuable.

Cases like this do make make pleasant reading, but i would imagine it is the minority, not the majority that abuse the system. The papers wouldn't sell many copies if they were full of boring stories of people obeying the law, or being nice to each other!

As for Matin2005s argument about the electorate, I don't know why anyone is arguing against him? It's patently obvious that neither side has the core support to win an election, so the large floating vote (whatever it's social makeup) has effectively created this issue if you want to blame them for voting NL in. Any other view is illogical and baseless.

Geezer

 

Superb stuff.

 

I have issues with the tem 'povity' used in this country, and often referred to by campaign groups to counter calls for crack-downs on benefits and benefit fraud. Povity seem to having a roof over your head, 'essentials' like TV, sat etc, but only being able to shop at Asda.

Walking miles a day for water - that's povity. Sleeping at the side of the road living of scaps - that's povity. Sleeping in sewers becuase the streets aro too cold - that's povity.

 

Poverty is relative to your reality.

Sitting in a house with no heating because you cannot afford to pay the bills the middle of winter is "poverty" in this country.

Not having the money to be able to buy your kids fresh food is "poverty" in this country

Dying from starvation because you cant afford to eat is "poverty" in another.

In other words, someone very poor in this country, may appear as wealthy as a king in another.

Of course, the UK is the fifth richest nation on the planet, there really is no excuse at all to have people in any sort of poverty at all.