Ban smoking in cars
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well, i think i'll leave this hear,as personal insults aren't needed. As sad and little (6ft) man i am, i can at least discuss things without getting all upset and start throwing insults about. Shame really.
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Its my car and ill smoke if i want to.
My *** sits over my ash tray at all times and is not a distraction anymore than a back seat passenger trying to have a conversation with me while driving.
Leave us smokers alone
My *** sits over my ash tray at all times and is not a distraction anymore than a back seat passenger trying to have a conversation with me while driving.
Leave us smokers alone
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Fair enough, just wondered. Have they damaged your car as such? I'm not saying it's ok or not, just really interested how much of a problem smoking in a car causes to others.
As for motorcyclists, I couldn't really comment, as I have no facts to back up any claim, but if they are wearing a helmet, I can't see how any more danger is posed to them than say the odd stone flying about, etc.
I'm not condoning or condeming throwing lit cigarettes out of the window, I'm just not convinced it's a real problem in the grand scheme of things. Even moreso, that smoking in a vehicle is a problem. Just another attempt to dictate how people live their lives, with no real account taken of whether something is really an issue.
As for motorcyclists, I couldn't really comment, as I have no facts to back up any claim, but if they are wearing a helmet, I can't see how any more danger is posed to them than say the odd stone flying about, etc.
I'm not condoning or condeming throwing lit cigarettes out of the window, I'm just not convinced it's a real problem in the grand scheme of things. Even moreso, that smoking in a vehicle is a problem. Just another attempt to dictate how people live their lives, with no real account taken of whether something is really an issue.
Not a problem in the grand scheme of things? Well to put it that way any issue on Earth is not a problem in the grand scheme of things so let's just ignore insignificant anti social behaviour
I haven't said where I stand on the issue of smoking in cars but I'm fairly sure that littering intentionally from a vehicle in motion has been an offence for a while. The fact that 99.9% of cars made in the last 30 years have had ashtrays fitted as standard says to me the driver is either lazy or inconsiderate when not using them.
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Not going off topic here, but I'd rather have someones used cig hitting my windscreen than the quarter full bottle of coke that hit mine today. The clown. I nearly messed myself. What the hell was he thinking off, throwing a bottle out of the window. Granted it was plastic, but it still made one hell of a bang
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Reminds me of a programme I saw once that interviewed motorway workers. One said he has had bottles of p1ss thrown at him!
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Not going off topic here, but I'd rather have someones used cig hitting my windscreen than the quarter full bottle of coke that hit mine today. The clown. I nearly messed myself. What the hell was he thinking off, throwing a bottle out of the window. Granted it was plastic, but it still made one hell of a bang
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OK don't smoke, don't like it, but really cant see the problem with smoking in your own car - if that what you want to do !
Would be a lot better in my eyes if silly busy bod that came up with this idea concentrated on more important issues like generally bad driving, uninsured motorist, no driving licence etc.
Richard
Would be a lot better in my eyes if silly busy bod that came up with this idea concentrated on more important issues like generally bad driving, uninsured motorist, no driving licence etc.
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i have had 80 quids worth of waterproofs trashed on a bike by a person throwing out a cig which landed on my lap- admittedly in traffic which allowed me to catch up with the idiot and throw it back in to the back seat area.He didnt want to buy me new waterproofs so he ended up buying new a new wing and door plus mirror -I guess what comes around goes around if you dont use your mirrors
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Oops, sorry. Did not think about motorbikers/cyclists. Point taken.
I still think that bottle, if it had hit you in the face would have caused a hell of a lot more damage.
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I've had no damage to my car, but tell me, would you be happy with a lit cigarette being flicked onto your bonnet by someone in front of you?
Not a problem in the grand scheme of things? Well to put it that way any issue on Earth is not a problem in the grand scheme of things so let's just ignore insignificant anti social behaviour
I haven't said where I stand on the issue of smoking in cars but I'm fairly sure that littering intentionally from a vehicle in motion has been an offence for a while. The fact that 99.9% of cars made in the last 30 years have had ashtrays fitted as standard says to me the driver is either lazy or inconsiderate when not using them.
Not a problem in the grand scheme of things? Well to put it that way any issue on Earth is not a problem in the grand scheme of things so let's just ignore insignificant anti social behaviour
I haven't said where I stand on the issue of smoking in cars but I'm fairly sure that littering intentionally from a vehicle in motion has been an offence for a while. The fact that 99.9% of cars made in the last 30 years have had ashtrays fitted as standard says to me the driver is either lazy or inconsiderate when not using them.
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Go on then, explain yourself. The point I was trying to make was If I can't talk on my phone (which incidently is using the same hand to head type of action) why can you smoke? At least a sudden gust of wind isn't going to blow the phone from my hand and set my crotch on fire.
Jonny (ex smoker and smoker whilst driving)
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Go on then, explain yourself. The point I was trying to make was If I can't talk on my phone (which incidently is using the same hand to head type of action) why can you smoke? At least a sudden gust of wind isn't going to blow the phone from my hand and set my crotch on fire.
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Smoking, to a smoker (and I say this as an ex smoker, pretty much) takes about as much concentration as breathing. Also, I smoked for about 23 years, and not once did a gust wind manage to knock a *** out of my mouth of hand and into my nads.
Mobile phone useage has nothign to do with taking up a hand, and everything to do with taking concentration (which is why hands free kits are every bit as dangerous but thats another debate)
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Be like prohibition soon.
We'll have illegal smoking dens
Illegal booze ups
Illegal white bread and cheezy wotzit clubs
Illegal salt sessions
(Thing that gets me is the ones who are intent upon telling us what to do with our lives are normally the unhealtheist and grotty specimans of humankind.Look at the politicians!
Don't tell me the chairs of these committees are Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt )
We'll have illegal smoking dens
Illegal booze ups
Illegal white bread and cheezy wotzit clubs
Illegal salt sessions
(Thing that gets me is the ones who are intent upon telling us what to do with our lives are normally the unhealtheist and grotty specimans of humankind.Look at the politicians!
Don't tell me the chairs of these committees are Angelina Jolie and Brad Pitt )
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Speaking on a phone to someone requires concentration - It is entirely different to speaking to someone next to you in a car, and as drivers we all know this. A person in the car with you can react according to the situation - like if a big lorry pulls out in front of you they will STFU.
Smoking, to a smoker (and I say this as an ex smoker, pretty much) takes about as much concentration as breathing. Also, I smoked for about 23 years, and not once did a gust wind manage to knock a *** out of my mouth of hand and into my nads.
Mobile phone useage has nothign to do with taking up a hand, and everything to do with taking concentration (which is why hands free kits are every bit as dangerous but thats another debate)
Smoking, to a smoker (and I say this as an ex smoker, pretty much) takes about as much concentration as breathing. Also, I smoked for about 23 years, and not once did a gust wind manage to knock a *** out of my mouth of hand and into my nads.
Mobile phone useage has nothign to do with taking up a hand, and everything to do with taking concentration (which is why hands free kits are every bit as dangerous but thats another debate)
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Good argument, but I still think smoking is an unnecasary distraction - it does still take a certain amount of concentration. If you had to swerve to miss a kid would you be able to do it aswell with one hand tapping your *** in the ashtray? You could drive better if you werent smoking.
But, I don't think there is sufficient evidence that this is a major contribution to accidents, and I think they ASH etc has explicitly refrained from saying "we think you should ban smoking in cars 'cos it causes accidents" because they know they cannot back it up. Instead they have gone for the passive smoking angle.
I mean, having proven links between accidents and smoking in cars would be far more likely to justify a ban than purely on a passive smoking tip.
Moot point for me anyway, as I don't smoke in my car as it ****ing stinks
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I am an ex smoker and I found that smoking while driving was never a distraction in any way.
I do think it would be unfair to smoke in the car with passengers who don't smoke or with children. Very unpleasdant for others in an enclosed space.
As a biker however, those who are so stupid as to chuck a fagend out of their window when I am following are really a pet dislike. It is very selfish of them and can be alarming for the biker. You have to remember that many bikers use an open face helmet and the thought of a fagend being entangled in your face or neck is not very good I can assure you.
Les
I do think it would be unfair to smoke in the car with passengers who don't smoke or with children. Very unpleasdant for others in an enclosed space.
As a biker however, those who are so stupid as to chuck a fagend out of their window when I am following are really a pet dislike. It is very selfish of them and can be alarming for the biker. You have to remember that many bikers use an open face helmet and the thought of a fagend being entangled in your face or neck is not very good I can assure you.
Les
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I think there is a definite distinction to be made between a "considerate" smoker and one that doesn't give a monkeys. I like tho think I always used to exercise a bit of intelliegence when smoking around other people, and of course when bikers are behind (I always drive with a big appreciation of bikers, I have lost one too many mates that way)
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Well I still smoke ( I know, I know but hey apart abusing traffic wombles, cutting up bendy buses and listening to dodgy music, what the hell else can I do in my car ) and I am always mindful of bikers and other cars when I drop my cigarette out the window. Not everyone does it I know, but the argument here is about the continued breakdown and enforcement of our ability to live our own lives in a manner which we see fit.
I think the comment about 'banning all the banning' is spot on. These control freaks who have to justify their existence have to to be understand that enough is enough.
I think the comment about 'banning all the banning' is spot on. These control freaks who have to justify their existence have to to be understand that enough is enough.
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My single biggest hate is people smoking around children, in the car in general is ultimately up to the driver but I genuinly think that smoking in the presence of young children should be against the law. I have a friend who smokes in front of his 2 and 7 year old children in it drives me mental. The trouble is that he has had a very strange and tough life and in the scale of problems he has had to deal with *** smoke has been the least of his issues.
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(although the snails pace I achieved this morning on the way to work, all because of a ****ing traffic womble, meant I was smoking and being stationery at the same time )
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Well apart from sitting in your car in a romantic spot admiring the view, what the hell else do you do in your car apart from drive ???
(although the snails pace I achieved this morning on the way to work, all because of a ****ing traffic womble, meant I was smoking and being stationery at the same time )
(although the snails pace I achieved this morning on the way to work, all because of a ****ing traffic womble, meant I was smoking and being stationery at the same time )
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A whole range of reasons. They didn't fight for lit cigarettes to be flung at them or to be rear ended by an idiot on the phone though.