ScoobyWon't

I doubt that you will be sorting out any crime yourself somehow

This is purely an example of why the police have to investigate alleged crimes. They are faced with a claim made to them, they then interview the complaining party/ies and then the defendant. They have to establish the facts before they can proceed with the investigation.

As no-one from Scoobynet, including yourself, was at the scene, you do not have both sides of events from the complaining party as well as that which your mother, the accused, has told you.

It is up to the police to decide what has happened, what didn't happen and what is impossible for them to say if it happened or not.

This is simply known as logical reasoning. It will form the basis of the questioning and investigation.

Simply it's a Who, Where, When process to start with.

Was your mother at the scene? True. Etc, etc.

ScoobyWon't

Who are we to judge? It's not our job is it? Leave it to the police to decide.

And of course, there is the old classic line "It wasn't me, honest guv'nor"

Surely if everyone wants to be annoyed at anyone it's the people who allegedly were parked where they shouldn't have been.

Then again, imagine if someone on here posts a thread "My parents were attacked in a supermarket carpark for being fat" and explained that they were outside of their car when some lunatic woman just attacked them. Who side would people be defending then?

My point is, again, that the police have to be allowed to carry out the investigations that arise from any complaint. Yes, if they were heavy handed then a complaint can be made against the arresting officers etc but that shouldn't tarnish the entire service. I'd rather we have the police than mindless vigilate justice or a lack of law enforcement.

webby v7 slipperwagon

iTrader: (2)

I'm putting this to bed, because it wont get anywhere. The clean as summer dried bed sheets old bill, will lie/deny/falsify and bend twist torture the facts to suit. But you know what, instead of your sickening lies/bullying/false agendas, WHY DONT YOU STAND UP FOR ONCE AND ADMIT YOUR WRONG/YOU LIED/YOU CHEATED/YOU/YOU/YOU and get some public confidence back. I will never stand up for you lot again EVER.With your smug lies and self induced arrogance. YOU STAND ALONE in a nation of over 70 million people of who only a very very small percentage have any faith in you. I was one of the very few, i now rest with the majority.YOUR ON YOUR OWN and DESERVE TO BE.

webby v7 slipperwagon

iTrader: (2)

No i think scooby wont nick anyone guilty because its to hard, is it right. a 67 yo women is attacked by two people in there twenties who are ilegally parked in a disabled bay.Even though its obvious the disabled person is in the wrong because officer scooby cant undestand the situation.And is on scene (god help us) and has decided that the 67 yo women with a disabled mother who has the right to park in the DISABLED ONLY BAY is guilty of being legally entitled to park in that bay and not the two ilegally parked law abiding citizensJeeez you couldn't make it up

ScoobyWon't

Calm down, Sunshine. You're letting your emotions get the better of you.I thought you said the original offence your mother was arrested for was common assault, not un-committed parking violations of any variety.

I don't see how their physique is relevant to your argument. Were those your mother's own exact words?

Innocent until proven guilty, same as your mother.

Are you also going to stop using Tesco as they employ idiots as security guards?

I assume your mother had some sort of legal representation whilst being interviewed. They will have been presented with the facts and your mother's version of events and would then make a profesionnal recommendation on how to proceed.

Chill out, grab a beer. Calm yourself down and look after your mother. That is the most useful thing you will be able to do.

As I stated earlier, I was unfairly nicked for something I hadn't done, I felt badly treated but it was cleared up in my favour. Have a little faith but I doubt it'll be persued.

Leslie

I can imagine how you feel Webby, and your mother too. Can't understand why both the attendant for the carpark and the coppers did not take the business about the parking in the disabled bay when not entitled into consideration.

Why on earth they should arrest your mother when she had been assaulted in the first place? Maybe they were going for the easy case to clear up in order to keep filling their targets rather than use their common sense over the real offence-ie striking your mother!

Bit of a shameful affair!

Les

pwhittle

impossibly to say unless you were there.
was she kicking off when the police were there? did the couple alledge assult? in either case they'd have to take action. were the couple charged?

Does being 67 preclude you from being arrested?

there's no doubt is would be destressing, and no doubt some rookie coppers don't display appropriate discretion, but tarring everyone is pointless, unless of course you've had experience with all coppers / muslims / cyclists / scooby driver.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

I sympathise with webby, and my heart goes out to his mother, who I hope is OK and get over this.

I am NOT surprised at the attitude of the two coppers, given what I have experienced over the last ten years

Nor am I surprised at the ratcheting level of distrust and yes, hate, that these people are incurring. I said it 5 years ago.

What does surprise me is that some folk can STILL trot out the "they're not all bad", (Yes, but these ones apparently were), or "perhaps there was a reason" (to manhandle a 67 year old woman?) lines

What was that saying? "For evil to triumph it only needs for good men to do nothing"?

Then there's the one that begins "First they came for the Jews, and I did nothing, for I was not Jewish"

Wake up, some of you, and smell the coffee

Alcazar

spireite

Well the OP got infracted by the serial infractor ,be careful webby because if its who i think it is he'll keep infracting your posts till your banned .

Bet he daren't come out and tell you why he infracted you

The Chief

I cant believe you've been infracted for this, absolutley disgraceful.

This whole infraction thing just isn't working anymore

Leslie

I really don't think that the OP's original post deserves an infraction.

Les

jaytc2003

iTrader: (1)

I dont have great faith in cops, however you have to ask the question what did the cops see? Dont take this post the wrong way

Scenario One
The cops see your mum grabbing the other persons arm, that is classed as assault (stupid I know) then that means the cops are doing their job.

The cancer bit although unfortunate is irrelevant it would have no bearing of the person being arrested or not.

Scenario 2
The cops didnt see anything but the security guard did and reported what he saw to the cops.
In this instance I would expect the cops to just get statements from all parties involved.

Obviously they should have handled the actual arrest better considering the age of the offender

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

Nope, I questioned one I got for supposedly trolling, an ongoing argument with one of the traders on here, got, in reply, a rant from webby basically telling me I told lies, had no backbone, and "YOU SHOULD REFRAIN FROM POSTING ANYTHING ELSE NEGATIVE ABOUT ****", the trader in question.

When I questioned THAT stance, I was infracted again.

Money talks, nowt else on here now.

Alcazar

ScoobyWon't

I don't think there was any need for an infraction on the original post and I was the biggest protaganist towards the start of the thread.

Anyway, those answers to my little quiz:

1. Impossible to say

2. True

3. Impossible to say

4. True

5. False

Hope your mother is feeling better today

vindaloo

<OT>

Would that be a four letter trader's name or 5?

</OT>

cossie-nutter

iTrader: (45)

This is the case of if someone broke into my house and I shot them who would be in the wrong?

It's a F-u-c-k-e-d up world!

GC8

You would and rightly so. You cant shoot burglars and it worries me that people are too hard of thinking to realise why. If you need to then you can defend yourself: this is provided for in common law and also Section 3 of the Criminal Law Act 1967. If need be you might even end up killing them, but you cant sit by the open kitchen window with a shotgun of an evening.

webby v7 slipperwagon

iTrader: (2)

Ok , just spoke to my mother and what has happend now.
The police have phoned my mother and apologised about yesterdays matter. They have told her no further action will be taken against her. The slobs wrongly parked in the parking bay have been cautioned and the police are making further checks as the driver gave a false name and address.
My mother will be receiving a written apology and if she wishes to complain they will help her through the process. So some kind of faith is rstored. But why and how did the two young police officers **** it up so badly. You just cant buy experience, maybe they would have been better off having an older more experienced officer with each of the young officers. Anyway my mom feels much better, so thats what counts.
Also on the infraction front, i can see why, the mood as well as the language was a bit raw. But also i have seen some infractions which do seem strange, to say the least.
Webby.

Felix.

How long was your mum in the station for...?

If the original scenario is correct, then I don't see how the arrest could get past the custody sergeant as it was not necessary.

I would have dealt with it by 'words of advice'. Basically, your mum is not making any complaint of assault from being hit by the newspaper - and I assume she grabbed the other persons arm to stop being hit again by the newspaper again, hence self defence.

Therfore at this time - no crime as there are no offences disclosed.

Words of advice - and by the way - shift your car as you aint got a badge on it

GC8

Paul, personally Id speak to their uniformed Inspector and suggest that the best way to avoid a formal complaint (that you wont allow to be sidelined and informal) will be for both officers responsible to visit and personally apologise to your mother and look like they mean it. Im confident that theyll be robustly encouraged to do so...

RyanSTI

iTrader: (1)

if the coppers were fresh faced you;ve gotta understand in a volitile situation they have a second to make a decision. its not always going to be right.

spireite

This is true, luckily she wasn't running for a train in the tube station

Jamescsti

Any experienced Police officer moves into other departments mate, so as a result it's all the young officers who deal with jobs like this

Abdabz

I didnt get the whole story from the OP, but age and illness shouldnt be a barrier to being arrested otherwise every OAP with an illness and an evil streak would go around on the rob, using their walking sticks to attack passers by...

Seriously, my mum is nearly the same age and I would be furious if she was forcefully arrested for nothing...

If I can offer any advice at all, speak to a solicitor, articulate the actual sequence of events and raise a complete with the IPC (or whoever they are)...
The CPS will not follow this one up, but it is only half the point... If the police acted unprofesionally it needs investigating and going on the record....

gazza-uk

Sounds like a straight forward Section 5 arrest, would be good if we had the other side of the story, rather that a biased one sided argument.

alcazar

iTrader: (2)

That would be 5 but it wasn't the trader who infracted me

Alcazar

judgejules

I'd ask for apologies from the two officers involved in person in front of the top bod in their area, bring them down a peg or two and maybe next time they will act with a bit more compassion and understanding and be a bit less slap happy.

ScoobyWon't

Glad to see that

Leslie

Sorry to see that Alcazar. I know how you feel, I was unfairly infracted too because I imagine the infractor threw a hissy fit because what I said did not fit in with his thinking. A bit disappopinting.

Webby, glad that your mother got an apology, they were certainly out of order and I sincerely hope that the coppers concerned were on the mat for it.

Les

Leslie

Thats what I call a telling point!

Les