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Old 01 October 2008, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by chrispurvis100
Why don't they just give the $700 billion to the people? It's their bloody money!
'Cos they'd just spend it in Maccy D's, Dunkin' Donuts, or the local gun store, that's why.

Old 01 October 2008, 03:33 PM
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I thought the $700 billion comes from the tax payer to help the down and out banks who gave all their money away?

Bit like 'Banks on benefits'
Old 01 October 2008, 03:50 PM
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Originally Posted by zip106
'Cos they'd just spend it in Maccy D's, Dunkin' Donuts, or the local gun store, that's why.

The banks have already done that themselves! And probably a few 'business trips' to the local strip bar.
Old 01 October 2008, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
It is of no consequence how long ago that he flogged it, and I do not agree that it is nonsense to mention it.

Even if gold was at a low at the time, it has always been the most reliable type of investment for safety and it has always come back up in price as it has indeed done now. What on earth was the point of flogging it at the lowest possible price, and why did he have to do it-was the World Bank cpmplaining about his borrowing at the time so he needed a quick fix? Surely the reserves are there for emergency use for times such as these-not to make money with, or to lose it spectacularly as he did!

I thought these people were highly paid to be wise with our money anyway, especially with all the advisors that they employ at our expense!

No I would not have voted to flog it believe me!

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Whilst I agree it doesn't appear a good move (to say the least), hindsight can make us all look like wise economists!!!
Old 03 October 2008, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Whilst I agree it doesn't appear a good move (to say the least), hindsight can make us all look like wise economists!!!
Yes true Martin, but I would like to know what his reasons were for selling it anyway.

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Old 03 October 2008, 04:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
Yes true Martin, but I would like to know what his reasons were for selling it anyway.

Les

Well I'm not defending it but the reasons were apparantly too make more money by buying foreign currency mainly dollars and yen with the proceeds of the gold auctions.

Clearly the plan failed as gold has rocketed in value and the dollar has tanked.

Incidently the treasury and the BoE didn't see eye to eye on this one either, with the former pushing this through against the advise of the latter
Old 03 October 2008, 07:07 PM
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Well, this has been agreed now for good or bad. My American colleagues are not that impressed, but can't really see any other way.

Steve
Old 06 October 2008, 08:28 AM
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Why are all the stock markets still heading south?

Thought all the champagne would be out and all that.Seems to have made little difference.

In fact,just had a nose and 200 points down for the FTSE this morning.Down to about 4700

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Old 06 October 2008, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by lozgti
Why are all the stock markets still heading south?

Thought all the champagne would be out and all that.Seems to have made little difference.

In fact,just had a nose and 200 points down for the FTSE this morning.Down to about 4700
Because the bad news is still there and a bad recession is looming. The bailout will supposedly stop the financial world from armageddon but it doesn't have much effect on anything else.

In any case £700 billion will take months to have any effect on credit availability
Old 06 October 2008, 10:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Martin2005
Well I'm not defending it but the reasons were apparantly too make more money by buying foreign currency mainly dollars and yen with the proceeds of the gold auctions.

Clearly the plan failed as gold has rocketed in value and the dollar has tanked.

Incidently the treasury and the BoE didn't see eye to eye on this one either, with the former pushing this through against the advise of the latter
Thanks for the information Martin. Does not create confidence for the future.

Les
Old 06 October 2008, 02:47 PM
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Capitalism at work. When it goes well those at the top get rich, when it goes badly those at the top stay rich as those at the bottom pay the price. Socialism helps to change this balance but as seen in Russia unregulated capitalism leads to bigger inequalities as those in the know get more and more powerful and start to control the media which in the end controls us. The markets are never truely free becuase those in the know have no vested interest in sharing information with the hoi palloi at hte bottom.
Old 06 October 2008, 03:22 PM
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No one (apart from me ) is posting much in this thread and yet the market is going nuts.

Even the DOW is now into the 9,ooo's.

What the heck is the missing link with all these banks that no one is telling us?
Old 06 October 2008, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by lozgti
No one (apart from me ) is posting much in this thread and yet the market is going nuts.

Even the DOW is now into the 9,ooo's.

What the heck is the missing link with all these banks that no one is telling us?
I've been wondering the same thing.
Every single market in the world is now way down.
The Russian market is down almost 20% today.

As much as I don't like to say it, we really are in the deepest $hit ever, and it's going to take a long, long time to clean ourselves up!
Old 06 October 2008, 05:27 PM
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The $700 billion will not avert the crisis, the bad times have not even started yet. The financial recession needs to spill over into a general economical recession, then we'll know what pain is.

Personally, I think it represents a fantastic once in a lifetime buying opportunity for those who have been careful with their money.

Unless of course we have complete financial meltdown, leading to the fall of governments, fiat currency and civilisation as we know it
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