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#31
depends on his age for one, its a sad state if a semi retired dude cant be kind.
if he`s like 20 yrs old,then id monitor conversations between the kids,if harmless then take it on face value for now.
if he`s like 20 yrs old,then id monitor conversations between the kids,if harmless then take it on face value for now.
#32
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Personally tbh, I would feel nothing if something happened as im a third party in this. Not fully armed with all the facts nor ability to approach senior management unfortunatly.
Thats not being carefree about it by the way
However applying the pressure to the person I know to do something about it is awkward too.
I think the Crimestoppers, or a similar body is the best bet, the most discreet, and least problematic.
At the end of the day I just want someone trained in these matters to assess the situation, rather than a retail manager, or jumped up HR person with no experience in grooming etc to make a lunge at the situation, and just get him to move on where it can start all over again, possibly this time undetected.
Phone call tomorrow me thinks.
Thats not being carefree about it by the way
However applying the pressure to the person I know to do something about it is awkward too.
I think the Crimestoppers, or a similar body is the best bet, the most discreet, and least problematic.
At the end of the day I just want someone trained in these matters to assess the situation, rather than a retail manager, or jumped up HR person with no experience in grooming etc to make a lunge at the situation, and just get him to move on where it can start all over again, possibly this time undetected.
Phone call tomorrow me thinks.
The thing that struck me was he just strolled up and pulled his card out, not normal behaviour in any situation, especially in this country, the British are not that friendly and generous by nature, especially in London.
#33
Sounds pretty worrying to me. Obviously you dont want to jump the gun and get what could be a kind hearted man into bother, but at the same time, how many of you walk about with your card in your hand actively looking to buy children sweets?!
Look at it another way, the kids being kids will think the guy is a soft touch, and might head back to get more free sweets from him...isnt this called grooming?
Its one thing if he saw a kid trying to buy something and falling 10p short of whatever the cost and helping out. Its totally different to be paying the full whack to random children many times a day.
It could be nothing, or it could be something slightly more sinister. You have obviously been confided in or noticed something yourself, things have to be escalated in a manor fitting your worry.
It needs to be handled the right way so that if it does turn out that he is unusually kind to children and there is nothing untoward going on, then he does not get tarred with the kiddie fiddler brush.
Look at it another way, the kids being kids will think the guy is a soft touch, and might head back to get more free sweets from him...isnt this called grooming?
Its one thing if he saw a kid trying to buy something and falling 10p short of whatever the cost and helping out. Its totally different to be paying the full whack to random children many times a day.
It could be nothing, or it could be something slightly more sinister. You have obviously been confided in or noticed something yourself, things have to be escalated in a manor fitting your worry.
It needs to be handled the right way so that if it does turn out that he is unusually kind to children and there is nothing untoward going on, then he does not get tarred with the kiddie fiddler brush.
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Not sure why you can't approach HR at the store?
But can you identify which school these kids attend? Must be local. You could always pop in and ask to speak to the deputy head on a private matter and say what is going on. After all it is the kids you are worried about and schools should know how to handle these things. Do you have kids yourself? If so that makes your calling into the school slightly more credible.
You could chicken out and phone the school but a visit would be better IMHO. dl
Does sound odd and paying by card??????????
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But can you identify which school these kids attend? Must be local. You could always pop in and ask to speak to the deputy head on a private matter and say what is going on. After all it is the kids you are worried about and schools should know how to handle these things. Do you have kids yourself? If so that makes your calling into the school slightly more credible.
You could chicken out and phone the school but a visit would be better IMHO. dl
Does sound odd and paying by card??????????
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Snazy, I spent some of yesterday at a presentation by the NSPCC with some utterly harrowing stories and phone clips (also got to meet Rory Underwood ).
They run an adult advice line if you are concerned about a child - 0808 800 5000 give them a call and see what they say.
Some of the stories and calls that they presented to us made me sick to the bottom of my stomach, more now so having recently become a father.
They run an adult advice line if you are concerned about a child - 0808 800 5000 give them a call and see what they say.
Some of the stories and calls that they presented to us made me sick to the bottom of my stomach, more now so having recently become a father.
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Snazy, I spent some of yesterday at a presentation by the NSPCC with some utterly harrowing stories and phone clips (also got to meet Rory Underwood ).
They run an adult advice line if you are concerned about a child - 0808 800 5000 give them a call and see what they say.
Some of the stories and calls that they presented to us made me sick to the bottom of my stomach, more now so having recently become a father.
They run an adult advice line if you are concerned about a child - 0808 800 5000 give them a call and see what they say.
Some of the stories and calls that they presented to us made me sick to the bottom of my stomach, more now so having recently become a father.
The way the story is being presented is similar to trying to offer to buy a lady a drink at the bar, walking over and offering payment, sort of swooping in. Not asking if they would like their items paid for.
David, I cant approach the HR as I dont work there, and they are not the HR for this person, its a contract company. Plus with my past experience with this company's ability to follow up on sensitive matters, I would not trust them with a secret birthday suprise, let alone possible child abuse/grooming.
Its one thing if he saw a kid trying to buy something and falling 10p short of whatever the cost and helping out. Its totally different to be paying the full whack to random children many times a day.
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NSPCC, recommend that the matter is indeed raised with line management.
So I shall be advising them to do that, then hoping for the best, and that someone does something about it
Thank you to everyone for their advice.
So I shall be advising them to do that, then hoping for the best, and that someone does something about it
Thank you to everyone for their advice.
#38
Very difficult situation. With what happens these days you are right to be concerened-I certainly would be.
I don't think it would be wise to approach him personally but I would be tempted to ask to see the manager and tell him what is happeneing and why you are concerned of course. I think that would be a fairer step than reporting him to the external authorities because that could cause him a great deal of trouble if he is innocent. His management should be able to sort it out satisfactorily and they could take further action if necessary.
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I don't think it would be wise to approach him personally but I would be tempted to ask to see the manager and tell him what is happeneing and why you are concerned of course. I think that would be a fairer step than reporting him to the external authorities because that could cause him a great deal of trouble if he is innocent. His management should be able to sort it out satisfactorily and they could take further action if necessary.
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So, this chap is just going up to any young kid and offering to buy them sweets and things? He is approaching these kids randomly without prior knowledge of the kid? mainly male or female or both?
I would say its common sense that things might be afoot there. Ring those mentioned above and see what they say but I wouldn't let it go.
I would say its common sense that things might be afoot there. Ring those mentioned above and see what they say but I wouldn't let it go.
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sounds very dodgy to me, unfortuantely the world in which we live in has stopped people just being KIND!!! there has to be another reason for this and i would report it straight away, you never know, he might already have hurt someone, and the sooner it is investigated properly the better for all invoved, and if he hasnt done anything wrong, he has nothing to worry about
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These days, people are way too quick to jump on the pedo bandwagon. you have to be 500% sure before making allegations, as even if later proved innocent, this sort of investigation will tarnish someone for ever.
We had a cleaner at my old workplace who would randomly give sweeties out to kids. He would buy a big pocketload at the start of his shift and hand them out throughout the day. He was maybe early 30`s. In this case, there was absolutely nothing underhand at all...I wouldnt say he was "simple" but he was just a very kind guy who had no friends. He wasnt all that bright, and probably couldnt see any potential harm in what he was doing. He wasnt paid much, but had no real outgoings in his life, so had a wee bit of free cash and liked to use it to make kids happy.
At that time, there used to be a girl of 10 - 12 or so, who would hang around outside the nearest newsagent and brazenly offer a ******* to anyone willing to buy her a pack of cigarettes. Repeated calls to police and social services did bugger-all.
We had a cleaner at my old workplace who would randomly give sweeties out to kids. He would buy a big pocketload at the start of his shift and hand them out throughout the day. He was maybe early 30`s. In this case, there was absolutely nothing underhand at all...I wouldnt say he was "simple" but he was just a very kind guy who had no friends. He wasnt all that bright, and probably couldnt see any potential harm in what he was doing. He wasnt paid much, but had no real outgoings in his life, so had a wee bit of free cash and liked to use it to make kids happy.
At that time, there used to be a girl of 10 - 12 or so, who would hang around outside the nearest newsagent and brazenly offer a ******* to anyone willing to buy her a pack of cigarettes. Repeated calls to police and social services did bugger-all.
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Trust me, I fully understand the implications
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ive been talking to my mum about this and she thinks its weird too as well as me! i wouldnt stand back and let something like this happen its just too weird look at shannon matthews step dad now being found out for child **** its just getting too much now.
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Snazy this could be helpful. Good docu on the subject and may help you identify some signs of inappropriate behaviour.
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Snazy this could be helpful. Good docu on the subject and may help you identify some signs of inappropriate behaviour.
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#51
I'd have a quiet word over a coffee/beer. Like 'Hey mate, how come you're always buying sweets for all the kids? Couldn't afford it myself.' Or words to that effect. As you say, it could be totally innocent. If it is no sense in getting anyone else involved, just mention that *some* people may get the wrong end of the stick if they catch on.
If it isn't innocent then you should be able to tell by his reaction if you catch him unawares. Then you can take it further ...
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If it isn't innocent then you should be able to tell by his reaction if you catch him unawares. Then you can take it further ...
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here here. no need for the nuclear option on the basis on vapours. too many people do these days.
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