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28 March 2008, 05:19 PM
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Grip has nothing to do with handling.
You can have a car that has relatively little grip but that handles very well indeed.
A case in point is a Morris Minor. Absolute scream to drive at 20mph round a wet roundabout with fully controllable oversteer and a highly rewarding direct feel.
This is because handling is entirely subjective whereas grip is a physical quantity that can be measured.
Grip has nothing to do with handling.
You can have a car that has relatively little grip but that handles very well indeed.
A case in point is a Morris Minor. Absolute scream to drive at 20mph round a wet roundabout with fully controllable oversteer and a highly rewarding direct feel.
This is because handling is entirely subjective whereas grip is a physical quantity that can be measured.
28 March 2008, 05:21 PM
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Handling is all about how(as you've stated) well balanced the car is, and the way it changes direction and tackles cambers through corners. thats a good handling car. Its hilarious when people buy a sh*te handling car and then spend loads of money on suspension to make it handle better when at the end of the day it will probs end up still not as quick through the twisty's as a car that handles great standard
28 March 2008, 05:22 PM
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35. when you open a car with framed windows when the windows are down, you hit your head on the frame
done this a thousand times lol
first thing comes to your head with....
rally car....................subaru
rwd car ....................skyline
someone who loves a fast car but doesn't want to be branded mid life.................porshe
done this a thousand times lol
first thing comes to your head with....
rally car....................subaru
rwd car ....................skyline
someone who loves a fast car but doesn't want to be branded mid life.................porshe
28 March 2008, 05:33 PM
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It's true: the MX5 has perfectly balanced 50/50 weight distribution front and rear. This clearly helps the handling. Some more expensive popular sports cars have as much as 62% of their weight over the back axle, so have needed an awful amount of engineering wizardry to overcome the laws of physics and yet still retain great handling.
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I give up what’s the point. 
You will disagree what ever I say.
But can you answer me this why be so negative towards Impreza drivers?? This all started from a post that was meant to be a joke not to be taken the pi*s out of and picked to bits by you. Why didn’t you just say nothing?
You will disagree what ever I say.
But can you answer me this why be so negative towards Impreza drivers?? This all started from a post that was meant to be a joke not to be taken the pi*s out of and picked to bits by you. Why didn’t you just say nothing?
28 March 2008, 05:39 PM
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I give up what’s the point.
You will disagree what ever I say.
But can you answer me this why be so negative towards Impreza drivers?? This all started from a post that was meant to be a joke not to be taken the **** out of and picked to bits by you. Why didn’t you just say nothing?
You will disagree what ever I say.
But can you answer me this why be so negative towards Impreza drivers?? This all started from a post that was meant to be a joke not to be taken the **** out of and picked to bits by you. Why didn’t you just say nothing?
The only thing I've disagreed with is your lack of understanding re: grip/handling.
28 March 2008, 06:56 PM
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Is that positive enough for you?
It's the truth as is the fact that it has now been surpassed by it's rivals and cars from a sector below (ie FWD hot hatches)
28 March 2008, 07:24 PM
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I find that interesting, my choice for a performance car would be RWD. It's far more rewarding and ultimately tends to be faster given reasonable conditions. It's amusing to note that in wet conditions on the 'ring that the Impreza fraternity don't appear to be as quick as the so called advantage of AWD should make them. Maybe down to the driver?
I also agree that straight line drags aren't very interesting but they do seem to be very popular with a lot of owners on here.
As for dismissing some very capable and interesting cars with 'stick them up their *****' surely as a car enthusiast you should be a little more open minded?
I also agree that straight line drags aren't very interesting but they do seem to be very popular with a lot of owners on here.
As for dismissing some very capable and interesting cars with 'stick them up their *****' surely as a car enthusiast you should be a little more open minded?
lol....your probably right, I should be more open minded, and true, I wouldn't, or shouldn't knock it b4 ive tried it, I have got a lot of loyalty towards the Impreza's though mate, you must undertand that eh
28 March 2008, 08:26 PM
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We weren't talking about my car by popular demand but you insisted:-
superior engineering an evolution has removed all traces of 'tail happy' behaviour in the 911. If you ever get the chance to drive one you'll realise just how effective this is and how much more stable (as you'd expect) they are than most other cars whatever their drive system.
superior engineering an evolution has removed all traces of 'tail happy' behaviour in the 911. If you ever get the chance to drive one you'll realise just how effective this is and how much more stable (as you'd expect) they are than most other cars whatever their drive system.
28 March 2008, 08:38 PM
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44: There are some weird people on SN.
As much as i like this forum, including the great advice and techie help i get from here, i just cant help noticing that there are some right planks on here.
As much as i like this forum, including the great advice and techie help i get from here, i just cant help noticing that there are some right planks on here.
28 March 2008, 08:55 PM
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28 March 2008, 09:17 PM
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35. when you open a car with framed windows when the windows are down, you hit your head on the frame
done this a thousand times lol
first thing comes to your head with....
rally car....................subaru
rwd car ....................skyline
someone who loves a fast car but doesn't want to be branded mid life.................porshe
done this a thousand times lol
first thing comes to your head with....
rally car....................subaru
rwd car ....................skyline
someone who loves a fast car but doesn't want to be branded mid life.................porshe
Skyline = 4wd?
28 March 2008, 09:34 PM
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41. you hold up faster accelerating cars by refusing to move over on empty dual carriageways because you've got an attitude problem
42.you drive so dangerously owners of faster cars decide to give up on making fast and safe progress in order to not be involved in your accident
43. you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about people driving 300bhp FWD hot hatches just because one with 200bhp whupped the *** of the current Impreza on a damp/wet track and they have a better image/cost less to run/are faster most of the time.
42.you drive so dangerously owners of faster cars decide to give up on making fast and safe progress in order to not be involved in your accident
43. you seem to have a bee in your bonnet about people driving 300bhp FWD hot hatches just because one with 200bhp whupped the *** of the current Impreza on a damp/wet track and they have a better image/cost less to run/are faster most of the time.
I could understand you posting this in response to someone boasting about dangerous driving, but not to a post obviously just meant to be entertaining (which it is). The comment that this is just 'banter' is kind of contradicted by some of your later posts.
28 March 2008, 11:59 PM
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Do you have the vaguest idea what you're on about? 
The sole force that slows down a car when braking on the road is the friction of its TYRES against the ROAD SURFACE. Which is what NACRO was alluding to. It doesn't matter if you have 6-pots, 12-pots or blummin' 36-pots coupled with 20" ventilated discs; or whether you're engine braking, hand-braking or otherwise. If you're in any doubt about the truth of this statement, just imagine how well your brakes would work on a frictionless surface like an ice-rink or an oil patch. Just because AWD vehicles generally have better traction for accelerating than 2WD vehicles (for a given amount of available grip), it does not follow that they stop any quicker.
The sole force that slows down a car when braking on the road is the friction of its TYRES against the ROAD SURFACE. Which is what NACRO was alluding to. It doesn't matter if you have 6-pots, 12-pots or blummin' 36-pots coupled with 20" ventilated discs; or whether you're engine braking, hand-braking or otherwise. If you're in any doubt about the truth of this statement, just imagine how well your brakes would work on a frictionless surface like an ice-rink or an oil patch. Just because AWD vehicles generally have better traction for accelerating than 2WD vehicles (for a given amount of available grip), it does not follow that they stop any quicker.
29 March 2008, 12:09 AM
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Do you have the vaguest idea what you're on about?
The sole force that slows down a car when braking on the road is the friction of its TYRES against the ROAD SURFACE. Which is what NACRO was alluding to. It doesn't matter if you have 6-pots, 12-pots or blummin' 36-pots coupled with 20" ventilated discs; or whether you're engine braking, hand-braking or otherwise. If you're in any doubt about the truth of this statement, just imagine how well your brakes would work on a frictionless surface like an ice-rink or an oil patch. Just because AWD vehicles generally have better traction for accelerating than 2WD vehicles (for a given amount of available grip), it does not follow that they stop any quicker.
The sole force that slows down a car when braking on the road is the friction of its TYRES against the ROAD SURFACE. Which is what NACRO was alluding to. It doesn't matter if you have 6-pots, 12-pots or blummin' 36-pots coupled with 20" ventilated discs; or whether you're engine braking, hand-braking or otherwise. If you're in any doubt about the truth of this statement, just imagine how well your brakes would work on a frictionless surface like an ice-rink or an oil patch. Just because AWD vehicles generally have better traction for accelerating than 2WD vehicles (for a given amount of available grip), it does not follow that they stop any quicker.
I may be wrong but am fairly sure I could out brake one in the wet
Will a car stop quicker using engine braking from say 120mph or just the same without??
29 March 2008, 12:11 AM
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Read all the crap the porsche owner has to say.
The reason the subaru handles better in wet conditions has nothing to do with 50/50 weight distribution, balanced throttle response or whatever other b*llocks he likes to think. It's down to the limited viscous slip differential. To make it easy for him I'll explain. When the front wheels of a subaru slip the back wheels catch them up. When the rear wheels spin the front wheels catch them up. Hence giving more power to the wheels that aren't slipping.
That is the reason a subaru is excellant in wet conditions and on bad road surfaces.
Evo's do the same process but from left to right by electronics and friction clutches.
I believe the only car to have all four wheels electronically individually controlled is a nissan skyline, hence it's abilities in all conditions.
The reason the subaru handles better in wet conditions has nothing to do with 50/50 weight distribution, balanced throttle response or whatever other b*llocks he likes to think. It's down to the limited viscous slip differential. To make it easy for him I'll explain. When the front wheels of a subaru slip the back wheels catch them up. When the rear wheels spin the front wheels catch them up. Hence giving more power to the wheels that aren't slipping. That is the reason a subaru is excellant in wet conditions and on bad road surfaces.
Evo's do the same process but from left to right by electronics and friction clutches.
I believe the only car to have all four wheels electronically individually controlled is a nissan skyline, hence it's abilities in all conditions.
29 March 2008, 12:23 AM
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So a 205 GTI will behave in the same under braking as the Impreza will at the same speed in wet conditions while turning in to a bend??
I may be wrong but am fairly sure I could out brake one in the wet
Will a car stop quicker using engine braking from say 120mph or just the same without??
I may be wrong but am fairly sure I could out brake one in the wet
Will a car stop quicker using engine braking from say 120mph or just the same without??
You may outbrake him for a number of reasons, none of which relate to the Impreza's AWD system. You may have grippier, wider tyres with more efficient water-dispersal; or your suspension may be so good that your tyres never break contact with the road surface. As for your final question, I suspect that stamping with all your might on excellent brakes with all the electronic wizardry that modern technology can provide will undoubtably be better than attempting to employ engine braking in a situation that requires an emergency stop. Unless you drop into first and bring the clutch up pronto (which would stress every part of the drivetrain unbearably). Attempting to use engine braking would be hopelessly inefficient. Just think about the time (however short) that the drive is uncoupled when you are changing into each lower gear- there is effectively zero engine braking for that period.
29 March 2008, 12:24 AM
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[QUOTE=rbaz;7768808]So a 205 GTI will behave in the same under braking as the Impreza will at the same speed in wet conditions while turning in to a bend??QUOTE]
If neither person touches the accelerator than the 205gti will handle better because it's a lighter car. In the real world you will touch the accelerator and the subaru will find more grip because it's always trying to do this permanently because of it's limited slip diff.
If neither person touches the accelerator than the 205gti will handle better because it's a lighter car. In the real world you will touch the accelerator and the subaru will find more grip because it's always trying to do this permanently because of it's limited slip diff.
29 March 2008, 12:26 AM
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[QUOTE=martwrxsl;7768852]
He's talking about behaviour under braking, not acceleration.
So a 205 GTI will behave in the same under braking as the Impreza will at the same speed in wet conditions while turning in to a bend??QUOTE]
If neither person touches the accelerator than the 205gti will handle better because it's a lighter car. In the real world you will touch the accelerator and the subaru will find more grip because it's always trying to do this permanently because of it's limited slip diff.
If neither person touches the accelerator than the 205gti will handle better because it's a lighter car. In the real world you will touch the accelerator and the subaru will find more grip because it's always trying to do this permanently because of it's limited slip diff.
29 March 2008, 12:31 AM
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Sorry not all true my dear NACRO... my pals standard bug-eye WRX gave a Clio cup 19? a kicking from the lights this week (yes he was trying !)
LOL
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P.S. My car grips,stops and handles..... I'm a happy bunny.
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P.S. My car grips,stops and handles..... I'm a happy bunny.
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[If neither person touches the accelerator than the 205gti will handle better because it's a lighter car. In the real world you will touch the accelerator and the subaru will find more grip because it's always trying to do this permanently because of it's limited slip diff.
Am not going to be accelerating under very heavy braking.
The Impreza will be more stable due to its transmition.
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