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04 February 2002, 02:39 PM
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Andy,
Actually I'm the one that should be saying sorry
and not you, cos on reading your above post you said unsurprisingly it's the green AE802, where as I thought I read surprisingly it's the green AE802. Hence my reply above. I thought you hadn't realised about the LHD cars. Speed reading, no good. Can get you into trouble.
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Actually I'm the one that should be saying sorry
and not you, cos on reading your above post you said unsurprisingly it's the green AE802, where as I thought I read surprisingly it's the green AE802. Hence my reply above. I thought you hadn't realised about the LHD cars. Speed reading, no good. Can get you into trouble.Cheers,
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04 February 2002, 02:43 PM
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"Perhaps the extra fuelling with the later ECUs may provide a useful safety barrier when running breathing mods and the Dawes."
Perhaps, but more likely they are just crap I venture.
Perhaps, but more likely they are just crap I venture.
04 February 2002, 02:44 PM
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T-uk,
Yup thats the other possibility that im looking at now, ive spoken to scoobymania and they said just to check that all the pipes are in place as they have to take the intercooler off etc to get the d/p on so it could be that thats doing it.
John, im going to see if i can afford the sti first as its 1, going to hold its value better than an evo7, 2, i dont have to keep stopping for fuel! and i can run 95 on the sti (the 265ps is as far as i know classed as that on 95 ron fuel!) 3, i prefer 10k service intervals (but would still change the oil at 5k which is only going to cost me 60 quid) and i dont have to have one service for the engine at 7.5k and then one service at 4.5 for the AYC, id find that annoying.
If i find i cant afford the STi ill wait one year me thinks and then ill see what the 8 is going to be like
Tony
Yup thats the other possibility that im looking at now, ive spoken to scoobymania and they said just to check that all the pipes are in place as they have to take the intercooler off etc to get the d/p on so it could be that thats doing it.
John, im going to see if i can afford the sti first as its 1, going to hold its value better than an evo7, 2, i dont have to keep stopping for fuel! and i can run 95 on the sti (the 265ps is as far as i know classed as that on 95 ron fuel!) 3, i prefer 10k service intervals (but would still change the oil at 5k which is only going to cost me 60 quid) and i dont have to have one service for the engine at 7.5k and then one service at 4.5 for the AYC, id find that annoying.
If i find i cant afford the STi ill wait one year me thinks and then ill see what the 8 is going to be like
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04 February 2002, 02:47 PM
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262 bhp is on SUL IIRC. I personally think the Evo is worth the extra hassle and would actually be an increase in performance over your current car.
04 February 2002, 05:19 PM
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That it may John but i gave a 911 turbo a run for its money on sunday as one of the guys going to Birch can tell ya as i flew past him but she was poorly then 
and the same on saturday against an evo7, still poorly car but had better power than it so lets get me car fixed and ill see what happens but the STi is just much more involving than my MY00 (even though i love my car to bits its not as well built, doesnt handle as well and even with the PPP didnt feel as quick as the STi7 on the open road!! and that car was running on 95 ron! 
) so would actually like to see one of those on the rollers to see what they actually do push out now how about a dawes for one of them John? and a few minor tweaks here and there and 300+bhp would be very achievable i think
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as one of the guys going to Birch can tell ya as i flew past him but she was poorly then and the same on saturday against an evo7, still poorly car but had better power than it so lets get me car fixed and ill see what happens but the STi is just much more involving than my MY00 (even though i love my car to bits its not as well built, doesnt handle as well and even with the PPP didnt feel as quick as the STi7 on the open road!! and that car was running on 95 ron! ) so would actually like to see one of those on the rollers to see what they actually do push out now how about a dawes for one of them John? and a few minor tweaks here and there and 300+bhp would be very achievable i think Tony
04 February 2002, 05:29 PM
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I think the 78x series ecu may include an in-built immobiliser. Can anyone confirm this ?
The UK cars had one fitted as they came in the country, and do not have it in the ecu. This is why you can swap ECUs at will in these cars - you left hookers may not be so lucky !
99/00 UK cars have a funny little immobiliser keypad stuck into the glove box. Do these left hand drive 78x ECU'd cars have this ? Could be an easy way to tell.
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The UK cars had one fitted as they came in the country, and do not have it in the ecu. This is why you can swap ECUs at will in these cars - you left hookers may not be so lucky !
99/00 UK cars have a funny little immobiliser keypad stuck into the glove box. Do these left hand drive 78x ECU'd cars have this ? Could be an easy way to tell.
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04 February 2002, 05:37 PM
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I think the funny immobiliser keypad is to do with the Sigma M30 alarm that is fitted to UK MY99/00s. My RHD MY00 doesn't have this keypad (don't know what ECU yet though, although 9/99 is on the seatbelts).
What tools do I need to get the ECU cover off? I may try it in the carpark at lunchtime tomorrow.
What tools do I need to get the ECU cover off? I may try it in the carpark at lunchtime tomorrow.
04 February 2002, 05:44 PM
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Will be interesting to see decat STi 7 results on the various rolling roads.
The fact that I whizzed by a new M3 the other day on a back road doesn't mean my car is quicker Tony! Or the fact that I kept up with an old M3 in a Peugeot 406!
I'm sure the handling on the new STi is a huge step forward, but can't imagine it being better than an Evo 7, but I've yet to drive one.
I think mega caution is required with simple boost mods on STis generally compared with UK cars. If they only got 262 BHP out of it yet there is room for a big increase with a simple boost mod I think they would have done that to get their headline 276 BHP figure on UK fuel? And I am certain 265PS was on SUL not NUL.
Subjective comments of it feeling faster are interesting given that is should be significantly slower than your car, but your boost is rather low at the moment IIRC, and getting that right would make it a different beast.
I'm sure on certain rolling roads it will show 300bhp with minimal mods. However, a certain notorious Evo 7 showed 371bhp with the same minimal mods.
Just goes to show how wonderful rolling roads are NOT
I must try one of these STi 7's to see what all the fuss is about and put me off this Evo that I keep thinking about after driving Sam's car
The fact that I whizzed by a new M3 the other day on a back road doesn't mean my car is quicker Tony! Or the fact that I kept up with an old M3 in a Peugeot 406!
I'm sure the handling on the new STi is a huge step forward, but can't imagine it being better than an Evo 7, but I've yet to drive one.
I think mega caution is required with simple boost mods on STis generally compared with UK cars. If they only got 262 BHP out of it yet there is room for a big increase with a simple boost mod I think they would have done that to get their headline 276 BHP figure on UK fuel? And I am certain 265PS was on SUL not NUL.
Subjective comments of it feeling faster are interesting given that is should be significantly slower than your car, but your boost is rather low at the moment IIRC, and getting that right would make it a different beast.
I'm sure on certain rolling roads it will show 300bhp with minimal mods. However, a certain notorious Evo 7 showed 371bhp with the same minimal mods.
Just goes to show how wonderful rolling roads are NOT
I must try one of these STi 7's to see what all the fuss is about and put me off this Evo that I keep thinking about after driving Sam's car
04 February 2002, 05:53 PM
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john,
I wonder how an EVO7 would go along a twisty bumpy road,like the one we were on last week with your car.when my m8 had his EVO6 it would hop and skip all over the place on roads like that, definitely not giving the confidence of the scooby,he rallies cars and ended up selling it and getting another scooby.
I think the EVO is a far stronger and more powerful car as standard though.
I wonder how an EVO7 would go along a twisty bumpy road,like the one we were on last week with your car.when my m8 had his EVO6 it would hop and skip all over the place on roads like that, definitely not giving the confidence of the scooby,he rallies cars and ended up selling it and getting another scooby.
I think the EVO is a far stronger and more powerful car as standard though.
04 February 2002, 06:03 PM
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Hi Carl,
Just a socket set is all you need. It's 10/12mm - can't remember which. You can also use a Pozi screwdriver on some of them. Pop off your carpet clips and undo the bolts on the plate. Don't forget the one _right_ at the top - passenger big toe area.
Steve
Just a socket set is all you need. It's 10/12mm - can't remember which. You can also use a Pozi screwdriver on some of them. Pop off your carpet clips and undo the bolts on the plate. Don't forget the one _right_ at the top - passenger big toe area.
Steve
04 February 2002, 06:42 PM
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You don't even need a socket set, just dig out the standard issue Subaru toolkit, I have yet to find anything on the car that cannot be removed with it 
Mind you it would probably take a lot less effort using a socket set.
Mind you it would probably take a lot less effort using a socket set.
04 February 2002, 08:24 PM
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I asked my dealer today about dropping an AE800 in an MY00. He said you would need a Select Monitor to get things going. Is this right or can you just 'plug and play' .
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04 February 2002, 09:19 PM
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It does when I do it Felt just the same as a Select Monitor reset. Now Stephen will just tell me it is placebo.
Also unplugging the ECU seems to reset it.
The Select Monitor requirement is frankly BO**OX. You can do the whole job in five mins from walking to the car and driving away with only a 10mm spanner. Don't cut your fingers though.
Some models may have this immobiliser and need keys reprogrammed - same when fitting PPP, but on MY99/00 seems not to be an issue.
Felt just the same as a Select Monitor reset. Now Stephen will just tell me it is placebo.Also unplugging the ECU seems to reset it.
The Select Monitor requirement is frankly BO**OX. You can do the whole job in five mins from walking to the car and driving away with only a 10mm spanner. Don't cut your fingers though.
Some models may have this immobiliser and need keys reprogrammed - same when fitting PPP, but on MY99/00 seems not to be an issue.
04 February 2002, 09:36 PM
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Steve,
I think you are right. It appears it does have an in built immobiliser. I have no keypad in the glovebox on my lefthooker MY00 green AE 782. And it does have an immobiliser as standard.
cheers,
Wrexy.
I think you are right. It appears it does have an in built immobiliser. I have no keypad in the glovebox on my lefthooker MY00 green AE 782. And it does have an immobiliser as standard.
cheers,
Wrexy.
04 February 2002, 10:58 PM
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John
I though that a std (and tight) STi7 produced 288BHP at the recent PE RR day just before Xmas. So with adjustment for overreading/optimistic RR (18bhp? don't ask where I got that from!) will make it a solid 270BHP before decating it. Plenty of power to begin with wouldn't you say?
F
I though that a std (and tight) STi7 produced 288BHP at the recent PE RR day just before Xmas. So with adjustment for overreading/optimistic RR (18bhp? don't ask where I got that from!) will make it a solid 270BHP before decating it. Plenty of power to begin with wouldn't you say?
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04 February 2002, 11:34 PM
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john,
wait and see how Sam gets on with his EVO.if he cannot go out and knock a second off his track lap time the way the cars sitting,it will prove that power is not everything,otherwise we would all be driving Skyliners .
I think the EVO is far stronger and able to take more power,possibly the answer for the cossie drivers who need huge power to take our scoobs up the straights .
I admit I love the EVO but would not write off the STI7 on a twisty bumpy road.
wait and see how Sam gets on with his EVO.if he cannot go out and knock a second off his track lap time the way the cars sitting,it will prove that power is not everything,otherwise we would all be driving Skyliners
.I think the EVO is far stronger and able to take more power,possibly the answer for the cossie drivers who need huge power to take our scoobs up the straights
.I admit I love the EVO but would not write off the STI7 on a twisty bumpy road.
05 February 2002, 01:06 AM
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GTJ,
I read your post in the other ECU thread. So you did not have to reprogram the keys when you fitted the PPP. This probably means the immobiliser is not built in to the ECU. I wonder what the difference between the green AE 802 and the green AE 782 is. Or the AE 781 and AE 801 etc.
I'll look for the immobiliser under the steering column, but I don't know what it looks like. What should I be looking for?
Do you have any friends with MY00 scoobs in The Netherlands that have hesitation and less power than the MY99?
Cheers,
Wrexy
I read your post in the other ECU thread. So you did not have to reprogram the keys when you fitted the PPP. This probably means the immobiliser is not built in to the ECU. I wonder what the difference between the green AE 802 and the green AE 782 is. Or the AE 781 and AE 801 etc.
I'll look for the immobiliser under the steering column, but I don't know what it looks like. What should I be looking for?
Do you have any friends with MY00 scoobs in The Netherlands that have hesitation and less power than the MY99?
Cheers,
Wrexy
05 February 2002, 06:35 PM
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I have sourced an ae800 ECU . However they say "....the ecu has to be fitted with transponder and ignition key to overcome immobilizer....".
Two issues here, firstly I don't want to pay for the other bits (that they also have in stock) and find I don't need them, and secondly that I remove my ae802, discover the ae801 doesn't work, refit the ae802 and find the bugger won't start.
Are we really sure about this 'plug and play' simplicity?
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UK Spec MY00 Nov 1999.
. However they say "....the ecu has to be fitted with transponder and ignition key to overcome immobilizer....".Two issues here, firstly I don't want to pay for the other bits (that they also have in stock) and find I don't need them, and secondly that I remove my ae802, discover the ae801 doesn't work, refit the ae802 and find the bugger won't start
.Are we really sure about this 'plug and play' simplicity?
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UK Spec MY00 Nov 1999.
05 February 2002, 06:51 PM
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Well on my MY00 a PPP ECU could just be plugged in without special programming, and I can swap between it and the 802 at will.
T-uk put an 800 ECU straight into his MY00.
I bet it just works! And even if it doesn't you can still plug your old ECU in- unplugging it is just a power down and it still works if you plug it back in believe me.
T-uk put an 800 ECU straight into his MY00.
I bet it just works! And even if it doesn't you can still plug your old ECU in- unplugging it is just a power down and it still works if you plug it back in believe me.
05 February 2002, 09:21 PM
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the only thing I did when fitting mine was disconnect the battery, for peace of mind.no immobiliser problems or any other problems so far.
Robertio,
if you would like to try the AE800 for a few days,let me know and you can tell all us what you think.
Tony,
hows the car,did you solve the boost problem?
Robertio,
if you would like to try the AE800 for a few days,let me know and you can tell all us what you think.
Tony,
hows the car,did you solve the boost problem?
05 February 2002, 09:48 PM
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Had the solenoid cleaned and got a new filter fitted, got 240lbs of torque now but got a leak somewhere so the boost just drops after 4.5k, possibly one of the hoses is loose or the sealant on the d/p, will know by friday as going back so they can have a look for me
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06 February 2002, 01:20 PM
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Otis, just change it over. I did without a problem and I didn't even disconnect the battery.
I was going to take it to my dealer to do (but then I got high - old joke I know but couldn't resist) but they wanted to book the car in and I couldn't be arsed. So I just went and did it.
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I was going to take it to my dealer to do (but then I got high - old joke I know but couldn't resist) but they wanted to book the car in and I couldn't be arsed. So I just went and did it.
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06 February 2002, 06:23 PM
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Mine is AE782 (LHD car MY2000 from Greece).
I think never suffered from hesitation problem but I have no experiences with older cars.
You won't have problem if you change the ECUs between diff years, BUT DON'T FORGET to let the keys on the car's door or the ignition.
Otherwise you have to re programme the keys
JIM
I think never suffered from hesitation problem but I have no experiences with older cars.
You won't have problem if you change the ECUs between diff years, BUT DON'T FORGET to let the keys on the car's door or the ignition.
Otherwise you have to re programme the keys
JIM
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Thanks Jim,
That's 3 green AE 782s with no hesitation. Anyone else?
Cheers,
Wrexy.
PS agree with Otis. What did you mean Jim? Did you mean to not leave the keys in the ignition or the door when doing the swap? Or did you mean we should leave them in there?
That's 3 green AE 782s with no hesitation. Anyone else?
Cheers,
Wrexy.
PS agree with Otis. What did you mean Jim? Did you mean to not leave the keys in the ignition or the door when doing the swap? Or did you mean we should leave them in there?
