catons scooby

o and thanks to everyone for sticking up for me,

the car is ready for transport but the tuner is busy so i will be looking at sometime after next week, just going to keep an eye out on the car, to see if its dripping oil or if the levels go down, (its getting through a gasket or something and going else where in the engine, obviously i wont start it but just make sure,

catons scooby

just had another look at the oil, levels is fine but oil is dark black when wiped on tissue looks watery but could be me, it doesn't fade to brown on the tissue it goes black/greeny colour
just looked at the plugs seem oily and very black

Robbieben

Hard to say from your pic's weather the plugs have anything major to indicate any problem, looks like carbon fouling possibly due to slow running/rich mixture, on a normal plug oil fouling usually builds up as a dark grey deposit that builds over the miles and eventually will choke the electrode to prevent a clean spark.
Gaps look quite big but again that can't be a reason for the failure itself, I think the only way to sort it will be an engine stripdown

Due to your explaination of oil colour I would still err towards Piston size or ring gap, as your engine has covered such low miles since build the oil should still be like new, black oil would indicate piston/ring blowby allowing carbon fouling from cylinder into oil and likewise oil from crank case into combustion chamber leading to excessive oil consumption which you have.

If you can take a sample of the oil it's worth having it tested independantly for deposits which would give a more definate indication of a problem

catons scooby

as soon as i can get the car back to the tuner, it will be stripped down,
cheers robbieben thats the sort of answer i am looking for,
any one else

dynamix

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how you can tell the plug gaps are wrong from those blurry pics is beyond me. The tips on those plugs are so thin you cant see them in the pics. Have you got any in focus ones?

tiny gsy

IMO put the plugs back in and then leave the car alone until its gone to the tuners. You may unsettle something now which may leas them to believe the problems to be your fault. Scooby Mania have already said they`ll have a look to find the source of the problem, what more can you want until thats been done.

catons scooby

hold up mate
what would you do, sit and wait for a couple of weeks maybe, while your 20k investment is sitting there, i cant unsettle anything by removing the plug its doesn't involve taking anything off,its got to go on a trailer soon and travel 130miles thats when it'll happen, i'm trying to find the cable to connect my camera too where the photos are focused,

Area 52 Autosport

Make sure you write on the plugs Mark with an indelible marker, so we can see which cylinder they came out of. Don't mix them up.


Mike

dynamix

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Yes, I would wait.

catons scooby

took one out took a pic, put it back then took the next one out took a pic put back in, i get worried about crossing the ht leads so i do one at a time, the pics are to help people with coming up with possible solutions i know it not concrete evidence but it all helps,

catons scooby

then you are more patient then me, i am compedent enought to take out an accessable plug, its why i haven't touched the other side near the water botle, if by seeing the plug is oily then it may lead people into seeing it could be an engine internal problem,

SSCJAY

Did you check the crank breather / catch can? (wasn't sure what you had), this would only take a few minutes and can give a good indication if there is a Ring sealing / piston problem, the breather will be venting quite heavily and you would be able to see vapour coming out.

Also any oil in dumpvalve or Intercooler?

I can understand wanting to know what went wrong and why but TBH you will be better off waiting and letting scoobymania check things over.

Where abouts in Essex are you?

tiny gsy

I would yes. Like I said they have already confirmed they will investigate what has happened and so until they can investigate then I wouldn`t even touch the car. I know its going to be difficult bearing in mind the cost you have incurred but at the same time, should you disturb something, and I`m not saying you will, it may take the responsibility off the company.

bighead

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that is rubbish.....even a newly builts engine has a warranty !!

catons scooby

i havent removed anything, i have been told its unlikely going to be an engine fault, ie its my fault so before i send my car away id like to know the possiblities of it not being my fault, removing a spark plug to find its got oil on it is reassuring its more involved, ie it may have an internal problem and not that ive done the damage,
not sure on the catch can, its got 2 oil breathers both are seemed to be smothered in oil but why wouldn't it be, i thought as it burns oil its going to be oily,
ill check the dv but wont look at the intercooler too much work involved,
i wouldnt take the oil out as thats disturbing something but the plugs on the drivers side, oil cap, dipstick are easy access, im not removing things like manifolds, i will wait for the tuner to do it, but i need some slight hint as to where its going, oily plugs breathers etc may point someone who's seen this before in the right direction,
i dont believe youd put the car, if it were yours, in the back of your head for who knows how long without trying to see if a simple check of the plugs could help their tuner understand the problem more.

chris singleton

MEOWwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww

Those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones

catons scooby

i dont like to say where in essex why do you ask

Andy.F

Wow, you have not had much luck Mark, was it this same car that after it had the engine out/in the ECU blew up for no reason and you had to buy a new one ?

tiny gsy

You`re right mate, I wouldn`t put it to the back of my head, but it would be on their doorstep waiting for them to have a look as like yourself I would be tempted to have a look and try and work it out for myself. I am not saying that you have or even will disturb anything. I`m just saying its a possibility that you could, and for me that would be enough to not touch it, especially after the amount of money you have spent in getting it to that spec. I understand you`re obviously upset/disappointed by whats happened but until Scooby Mania have had a look at it I don`t believe its possible to know exactly whats happening

Area 52 Autosport

Very fews things happen for no reason Andy, you of all people should know that.

Send Andy some pictures of your car electrical "issues" Mark.


Mike.

matty g

have had same problem in past mate. wiseco tolarance measurments are in american imperial and they overbored my block due to measuring in british imperial so they said, they lined and rebored block no further problems. oil is burnt from cold mainly passing rings before up to normal running temp, where everything should have expanded. my machine shop put there hands up. good luck matty

catons scooby

yeah andy same one
you can now apprecieate my determination for an answer

catons scooby

i understand but i was told i cant get the car to them yet because they have no room or it would be there tomorrow,

swisstonihasher

M8, you've had real back luck here, I can understand putting that sort of money into a motor (I have) and to have it fail so early... All I can suggest is that any issues found by the builders, you actually see with your own eyes, basically fight your corner if required.

I cant see anything you've done on a new engine, even 2.5L forged (which mine is) over that miles could be your fault unless you rev like mad in neutral for hours. I didn't have to top up my running in oil at all.

Good luck m8y, hope you dont end up selling the car because of this...

catons scooby

i hope i wont end up in that as scoobymania/area52 are now expanding so the last thing they want is for a fight over trusting them,

i wouldnt sell mate its cost to much for this dream to happen including car etc,

thanks again ppl for showing your interest

catons scooby

any1 know when the SSO is, fingers crossed i can enter,
any of you lads going,
would be nice to see other 2.5 classics,

andy97

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Isnt it in the monnth of May? Im hoping to enter again this year.

catons scooby

how did you do last year andy97

dazdavies

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OK here's my thoughts on this, firstly to the owner of the car:

Leave the car alone, completely alone. Let the tuner worry about it. If you do mess about too much with it then said tuner might have a good enough reason to say it's your fault ( I'm not saying you would Mike but I'm sure you'll understnd what I'm saying here).

Secondly to the Tuner:

If I was a tuner with a customer that had just spent £20K with me on upgrading his car and it went wrong soon after getting it back. The first thing i'd say to him is "don't worry about it mate we'll get the car back at our expense and see whats gone wrong. If it's something we've done we'll fix it".

I had a similar exerience when I spent £16K with a company not so far from you within a six a 6 month period. It went wrong and it was my fault. What pissed me off and is the reason I've not used them since is that they didn't look after me when it did go wrong. I, like the owner in this case was skint after spending that kind of money. I sourced a good second hand engine and wanted a price for dropping it in so I had a car again. The response I got was "well it depends how long it takes so it could be 3, 4, 5 or 6 hundred pounds" Now considering the money I'd spent with them previously I'd have liked them to say "Dont worry we'll fit the new engine for X amount" They know how long it takes to fit an engine so all this depends how long it takes was crap.

I'd say its probably a good bit of customer relations and possibly good PR to tell the guy you'll sort getting the car back to your premises and having a look at it. If it turns out that the problem is not your doing then by all means add the cost to the bill.

Daz

catons scooby

i see your point daz
what was the problem and what did you do wrong?