47 NAT

I agree with Pete.

It sickens me the way there banging on about it in the news that they might be treated unfairly... I for one dont care and wouldn't give a to$$ if they all got shot [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

I can still picture those planes flying into buildings and people jumping out of the Towers....If you were related to someone that got killed on Sept 11th then you try telling them that the scum deserve to live in humane conditions and that they have rights! Why not give them a frigging heroes welcome? [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

They have no rights, they are not human. And to add further insult to the matter the British Govt were saying when English citizens went over there to fight the British Soldiers, that if they returned they would be done for treason....So why the hell do they care how there treated? At least if they shot them all now, the next wannabes would think twice!!!

Nath [img]images/smilies/mad.gif[/img]

Tiggs

well thats ok then

pslewis

They keep on saying how much they are willing to die and take as many westerners as they can with them - all I am suggesting is that we cut out the middle-people (the innocent women and children)- and SHOOT THE LOT OF THEM!!

Cant say fairer than that can we?? I IS their wish!!

Pete

Scoob99

iTrader: (1)

For once in my life I agree with Pete Lewis........Shoot the *******s.....
Cheers
Colin

Richard Askew

Guilty = torture and execute
Not guilty = torture 'em anyway then let 'em make their own way home...

GeorgeF

What about the Cubans. Not only have they had to suffer 40 years of US blockade,Now the US have landed people who they themselves call the most dangerous prisoners in the world.I am sure that they would prefer Bush to also blockade the sending of evil Terrorists/illegal combatants. They should be taken at once to the USA, not leaving them on an island which the US have spent the last 40 years trying to blockade into submission. Or does Cuba have no rights to whom or what the US dump on their, still independant island.

Regards
George.

boomer

The reason why the POWs were not taken to the USA is because the constitution would give them rights to legal representation, and the US military can't allow a fair trial can they

mb

Tiggs

actually thats interesting- had a "discussion" with someone at work.... is being in G Bay different to being in the US- is the camp not the same as being on US soil? and therefore liable to the constitution but only when the US want to apply it?

Tiggs

Shark

Lock them up and throw away the key. They would have chewed through the electrics on the plane taking them there, given the chance!

David

fast bloke

Paul - you hit the nail on the head. Problem with this is people like Chip, who believe that any form of progress and compromise is bending over backwards to appease terrorists.

Chip - In an ideal world we would lock all the scumbags from both sides up and throw away the key. Unfortunately we don't live in an idea world, so there would always be another hundred bigots to take their place. Events in Northern Ireland in the early 70's ensured that there were enough people believing in both sides of 'the cause' to ensure another 25 years of bombing and killing. The British and Irish goverments have acted over the past 5 years to try to ensure that this constant supply of pissed of people will eventually dry up. It might take another generation, but progress has been made. Your posts indicate that there is only one set of 'baddies' in NI. This is not the case. Anyway enough rambling - my point is, if the US are indeed mistreating the Al Queada prisoners, they will ensure that the propaganda that these people have been fed to make them Western haters is backed up with WESTERN news reports. They may take 2000 nutters of the map, but they will create 20000 more in the process.

Now - go forth and learn about NI. Ignore the propaganda you believe. Figure out what started it and what escalated it. Then come back and attempt to justify your view that I am the one with blinkers

andrew6321

FB - I think I know what you mean. The further you go back into Irish history, the more it becomes apparent that the Brits were originally responsible for screwing it up.

Look at Afghan history and you'll see the same thing. And as for Israeli/Palestinian history - guess what?...

We got a lot to answer for, us Brits.....

Andrew

Jerome

Personally, I can't see anything wrong with the way the prisoners/detainees are being treated at present. If in 12 years time they are still blindfolded, handcuffed and squatting, that is probably a bit over the top.

With respect to executing the prisoners. We would become as bad as the Taliban if we started this. Even if I think it is what they deserve, we are supposed to be (in the West) civilised nations - how much of a stink would be raised if the Taliban were executing our prisoners. Executing prisoners also doesn't work. Word gets out and then the enemy always fight to the death rather than surrender.

I know of the Geneva convention and the rules of conduct during war (through the TA) and I've never heard about battlefield detainees (or whatever) only PoW's. The US must have read the small print of the convention.

Also, with respect to NI, although I'm uncomfortable with some of the things being done to achieve progress (e.g. letting out terrorists prisoners from *either* side), progress has been made.

Edited again to correct a previous incorrect edit...

[Edited by Jerome - 1/22/2002 2:12:06 PM]

[Edited by Jerome - 1/22/2002 3:06:56 PM]

fast bloke

An English person who understands progress - Jerome - look on the bright side. You are uncomfortable with it. I have to live in the middle of a bunch of nutters (from both sides )with guns and bombs. Swap?

Jerome

fb,

I thought you lived in NI. I now gather you live in Hackney

And, no, I wouldn't swap

Sith

I can't believe it, I AGREE with pslewis AGAIN!! Worrying trend here.

fast bloke

Its not too bad - It keeps the house prices and rush hour to a minimum

Chip

FB, ever thought that you may have been taken in by the propaganda.
Do you really believe Ireland is a peaceful place to live. How do you think the relatives of the Omagh bombing feel. I can tell you they feel betrayed.

And if were suppopsed to be moving on and not dweeling on the past then why spend 100+million on this bloody sunday enquiry.

If we should forgive and forget then OK lets let Myra Hindley and the like have their freedom as well. Or Peter Sutcliffe. After all he only cleared the streets in some peoples view didnt he.

All I was originally saying or trying to was dont believe everything you read or see on the news or in the papers. They only tell us want they want us to see and hear. I take it you must read the Gaurdian or Mirror and watch BBC news then.

Chip.

fast bloke

Yep you understand and i don't. After all - you have been here and watched the progress of 25 years of the IRA not being on ceasfire made. NOT. When local people cast up the old 'We have suffered more than you chestnut' I can't understand. When people who have about 1% understanding of the situation say the same thing, I am entirely amazed. I much prefer the 'everyone has suffered too much' attitude. Can I ask you to show your alternative solution here. If it is any good and implementable, I will get a huge sandwich board and parade round Belfast until the day I die.

fast bloke

p.s. I don't need to read it in the paper. I can go out the front door and live it first hand.

Chip

So this guy who was convicted today then re; the omagh bombings.
What do you suggest we do with him then.

Oh, and is he a terrorist or as Peter"the poofter" Mandelson called them a freedom fighter. If hes the latter then surely we should let him go should we.

Chip.

fast bloke

If you continue you take single incidents out of context you will never understand. Are you DUP by any chance?