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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 08:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter 300
Thanks mate....

How do you get on against people with big HP 700/800????
I will need to drive better than them
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter 300
Thanks mate....

How do you get on against people with big HP 700/800????
Park next to them




Sorry good luck mate
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Old Mar 2, 2008 | 08:28 PM
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It isnt all about the power, although more is often good. What the results will be, well, you will have to come and watch
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 11:07 AM
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we'll pop down and hav a look

I MUST get some track time
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 06:43 PM
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Originally Posted by dynamix
It isnt all about the power
Oh I do hope so, the racecar build has been set back due to work load so Ive resorted to running the daily hack in the Time Attack - the only mod I'm making is removing the baby seat and maybe giving it a clean
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Mocom Racing
maybe giving it a clean
careful Zak
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Old Mar 3, 2008 | 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Mocom Racing
maybe giving it a clean
Bet it doesn't happen

And defo not the interior as well, could save lb's with a vacuum.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 08:48 AM
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Went up to see SHP Motorsport in Littleport ysterday and met with Sunny and Kelvin to chat through what they could do to help give some protection in the meantime and provide a base for adding to it in the future whilst ensuring that it is MSA friendly.

Lots of options were discussed and I was very impressed with them and their honesty in talking through what they would suggest, the price and being able to get it done in time for Donington.

They have suggested the best initial step would be a main hoop and rear stanctions to spread the load backwards and to plate between the main hoop and the B pillar. Along with a removeable rear diagonal.

Because of the road duties and the fact that it is a big step, Sunny suggested waiting to get the front sections done as they can really interfere with how easy it is to use the car and rather than make it a complete compromise now that would need to be taken out or upset MSA scrutineers. We did discuss these though and I am not sure what to do quite yet.

A decision will be made on it shortly in order to book it in to do it.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 10:41 AM
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the racecar build has been set back due to work load so Ive resorted to running the daily hack in the Time Attack......

Give me a shout if you need a hand
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 12:46 PM
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Why not simply buy a bolt-in 6 point cage?

You can extend that later and weld the cage into the shell if you wish. With a removeable diagonal you will still compromise the rear seats.

A good 6 point will miss every thing, be FIA legal and only needs the sun visors removing. £500 and a long day to fit on your own, quicker if a pro does it.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 911
Why not simply buy a bolt-in 6 point cage?

You can extend that later and weld the cage into the shell if you wish. With a removeable diagonal you will still compromise the rear seats.

A good 6 point will miss every thing, be FIA legal and only needs the sun visors removing. £500 and a long day to fit on your own, quicker if a pro does it.
There isnt a 6 point bolt in available apart from Cusco which will be the end of may at the earliest. No other 6 point cages exist for the newage.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 01:51 PM
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hoping to see if anyone else will sort one out.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by dynamix
There isnt a 6 point bolt in available apart from Cusco which will be the end of may at the earliest. No other 6 point cages exist for the newage.

Cant you buy a 6 point bolt in and cut and weld to fit???
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 04:38 PM
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not if there isnt a 6 point bolt in to buy. The only off the shelf cages for newages (excluding cusco) are FIA spec multipoint cages.

You would be better off making a cage (or getting one custom made) like I am doing.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 05:24 PM
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if you alter a cage from the manufacturers drawings then they are no longer aproved - or so I was told
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 05:34 PM
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Its what I am told too David
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 10:45 PM
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That is true.
It is also true a scrutinteer demanded I cut bits off my FIA Impreza cage with a hacksaw or I would not race!

His point was correct I might add and his insistance would possibly have saved my life in a Big One.

I am surprised nobody does a bolt-in for the New Age, have you tried Caged?

I see nothing wrong cutting and shutting a cage to fit as long as the welds are right. Custom cages are exactly that. Cut and fit the tubes.

With a real bolt-in you have to weld the mounts to the shell, the bits that connect the cage to the shell and save your kneck, and anyone can attempt that.
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Old Mar 4, 2008 | 11:01 PM
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yeah, I was too.

Tried all the usual suspects but not 'caged'.

SHP are very local to me and have an excellent reputation and will do the job that I want and within the timescales too
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Old Mar 5, 2008 | 10:19 PM
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Scoobyclinic say the safety devices item for the classic fits the newage too. ???
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Old Mar 5, 2008 | 11:28 PM
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Originally Posted by frayz
Scoobyclinic say the safety devices item for the classic fits the newage too. ???
That'll be because it needs a shed load of modifying to fit a classic too
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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 06:46 AM
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...and it has a fixed rear diagonal, so not only does it not fit properly, it doesnt do what I want it to do.

I will stand by what I said earlier, there are no off the shelf 6 point cages for newages apart from cusco.
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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 07:28 AM
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I have a UK made Safety Devices fixed diagonal 6 point and can vouch they do not 'drop-in'. It is the welded diagonal that messes it up. Geoff Twemlow (fellow hillclimber) I'm sure has a removable dia' Safety Dev cage and it did drop-in. All for classic shells of course.

I believe they are now made in Poland? Maybe the tube benders are not programmed well enough over there?

Caged make all the Caterham chassis and rollcages today using a superb cnc punch press/manipulator. Had the pleasure of presenting a Paper after their TD had presented his on the Caterham subject, really most impressive.
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Old Mar 6, 2008 | 06:50 PM
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spent the day over at zen getting geometry modifications and alignment done. Some great work and the drive back was certainly different. What was an excellent handling car (i thought) has been dramatically improved with some thoughtful attention to the actual geometry of the components

Thanks Paul and the gang (sorry for breathing germs on you all throughout the day )
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 07:32 PM
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I am glad the mods made the difference Duncan. It goes to show it's not just about bolting on all the bits you can buy!
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Old Mar 7, 2008 | 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Zen Performance
I am glad the mods made the difference Duncan. It goes to show it's not just about bolting on all the bits you can buy!
Indeed it does. Cant beat a proper modification
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Old Mar 9, 2008 | 02:28 PM
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So far mapped to 1.4 bar boost.

According to the logs I hit 1.4 bar at 3050rpm and then flat lines this to the limit in 4th gear.

I havent quite got the boost tuned properly yet for all gears but the FP Green from Scoobymania/Area52 Autosport does seem to want to go some

As usual I have done a Ecutek DeltaDash Road Dyno run in 3rd gear on my test strip. As far as possible this compares to the previous tests in conditions with very little wind and about 12C.

Results so far at 1.35 bar in 3rd Gear:



370 whp
358 wheel lb/ft

Not bad for starters 8)

Note that these are Wheel figures so need to be factored back to flywheel figures by dividing by 0.8 ish

(factored out 50 kgs of weight loss from previous runs too although actual weight loss of 30kgs)
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 08:17 AM
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Yesterday was Donington Track day and I managed to sneak a last minute place.

Having never driven Donington before, i was keen to get practice on the track and to test all the new items and modification that had been made to the car.

Engine built by Area 52 Autosport - never missed a beat Thoroughly run in now and running at just under 1.5 bar of boost it was a delight to drive. The power curve for the fp green really suits the punch needed out of some of the corners there. Its power delivery is slightly different than the OE kit by way of lag from the huge front mount and slightly less response on the turbo than the puny OE item, but it just got stronger and stronger. Charge temps were at most 10 deg above ambient.

Oil temps were spot on too and maximum recorded was 104 deg C without an oil cooler. Oil cooler has therefore gone down on the list of priorities for the moment until the boost goes up and creates the need.

Fuel surge, this has gone up on the list of priorities due to surge coming out of the long double apex right hander. This was happening at half a tank ! I must be getting quicker

Seat and harnesses were spot on for control

Suspension set up from Zen was confidence inspiring and just meant that I could drive exactly where I wanted. It went where I pointed - no understeer at all. With the diff wound fully open the lines and exit just tightened to perfection enabling me to get on the power so much earlier even sitting into a nice exit drift on occasion if totally digital with the power. It is truly stable and that is a great quality I believe with power.

I was timed at quite a nice time round there yesterday which I didnt think was too bad on my first visit and should bode well for a competitive season.

Feeling very chuffed today
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 09:29 AM
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Excellent, sounds like a good track machine now and lots to look forward to.
Where is the most southernly round of TA and when?
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Old Mar 15, 2008 | 11:43 AM
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Brands on the 10th of August
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Old Mar 22, 2008 | 04:08 PM
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Duncan...how is the car running?
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