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22 November 2007, 11:19 AM
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A bloke i work with has just bought an 07 plate blue astra vxr, and hes been bragging constantly for 2days and begining to do my nut in. any facts i can mention that will knock him down a peg or 2? ive got a classic uk turbo wagon with full decat, dawes and fcd at 1.2 bar. his previous car was a focus 1.8 which he ragged to death, he drives like a tool most of the time and has crashed every car he has owned one way or another, cant imagine how he will handle 240hp!
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22 November 2007, 11:26 AM
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Thats even better because if either of them are tested in the rain and other in dry and the wet lap wins then it's more proof that the other is quicker.
22 November 2007, 12:06 PM
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that hurt my head! If one is quicker in the dry and the other quicker in the wet then it means just that.Assuming similarish weight, need 100bhp difference to show a confident pair of heels imho....
22 November 2007, 12:08 PM
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christ who'd have thought it could get so technical.
to compare, i have freinds with vxr's in various stages of modding from standard to development cars.
standard impreza (uk turbo) vs standard vxr-
impreza out launches but vxr is faster once rolling, not much in it though
decat and remapped impreza (260bhp) vs remapped and decat vxr -
again impreza will out launch but vxr is faster once rolling
300bhp impreza vs 300bhp vxr-
again impreza will out launch, but this time lower speeds are an issue for the vxr, once into 3rd gear vxr quicker.
FWD traction starts to come into play at lower speeds, 1st and second spin up on anything but the dryest of days.
340bhp impreza vs 350bhp vxr
vxr spins up 1st second and 3rd gear if planted and even spins up 1st and 2nd gear in the dry. becomes difficult to control and is at the limit of traction.
this is as far as anyone has dared to take a vxr at the min (unless theres somone out there trying more things) and pretty much accepted that over 350 is a bit pointless due to traction. also should be noted that once 300bhp is reach your talking tripple figures for speeds to show much difference so rather pointless.
as far as the twisties go, realy depends on who has the biggest *****
the VXR's i mention are done by VXPC (vauxhall performance centre) including there road going development car a friend of mine owns.
to compare, i have freinds with vxr's in various stages of modding from standard to development cars.
standard impreza (uk turbo) vs standard vxr-
impreza out launches but vxr is faster once rolling, not much in it though
decat and remapped impreza (260bhp) vs remapped and decat vxr -
again impreza will out launch but vxr is faster once rolling
300bhp impreza vs 300bhp vxr-
again impreza will out launch, but this time lower speeds are an issue for the vxr, once into 3rd gear vxr quicker.
FWD traction starts to come into play at lower speeds, 1st and second spin up on anything but the dryest of days.
340bhp impreza vs 350bhp vxr
vxr spins up 1st second and 3rd gear if planted and even spins up 1st and 2nd gear in the dry. becomes difficult to control and is at the limit of traction.
this is as far as anyone has dared to take a vxr at the min (unless theres somone out there trying more things) and pretty much accepted that over 350 is a bit pointless due to traction. also should be noted that once 300bhp is reach your talking tripple figures for speeds to show much difference so rather pointless.
as far as the twisties go, realy depends on who has the biggest *****
the VXR's i mention are done by VXPC (vauxhall performance centre) including there road going development car a friend of mine owns.
22 November 2007, 12:16 PM
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christ who'd have thought it could get so technical.
to compare, i have freinds with vxr's in various stages of modding from standard to development cars.
standard impreza (uk turbo) vs standard vxr-
impreza out launches but vxr is faster once rolling, not much in it though
decat and remapped impreza (260bhp) vs remapped and decat vxr -
again impreza will out launch but vxr is faster once rolling
300bhp impreza vs 300bhp vxr-
again impreza will out launch, but this time lower speeds are an issue for the vxr, once into 3rd gear vxr quicker.
FWD traction starts to come into play at lower speeds, 1st and second spin up on anything but the dryest of days.
340bhp impreza vs 350bhp vxr
vxr spins up 1st second and 3rd gear if planted and even spins up 1st and 2nd gear in the dry. becomes difficult to control and is at the limit of traction.
this is as far as anyone has dared to take a vxr at the min (unless theres somone out there trying more things) and pretty much accepted that over 350 is a bit pointless due to traction. also should be noted that once 300bhp is reach your talking tripple figures for speeds to show much difference so rather pointless.
as far as the twisties go, realy depends on who has the biggest *****
the VXR's i mention are done by VXPC (vauxhall performance centre) including there road going development car a friend of mine owns.
to compare, i have freinds with vxr's in various stages of modding from standard to development cars.
standard impreza (uk turbo) vs standard vxr-
impreza out launches but vxr is faster once rolling, not much in it though
decat and remapped impreza (260bhp) vs remapped and decat vxr -
again impreza will out launch but vxr is faster once rolling
300bhp impreza vs 300bhp vxr-
again impreza will out launch, but this time lower speeds are an issue for the vxr, once into 3rd gear vxr quicker.
FWD traction starts to come into play at lower speeds, 1st and second spin up on anything but the dryest of days.
340bhp impreza vs 350bhp vxr
vxr spins up 1st second and 3rd gear if planted and even spins up 1st and 2nd gear in the dry. becomes difficult to control and is at the limit of traction.
this is as far as anyone has dared to take a vxr at the min (unless theres somone out there trying more things) and pretty much accepted that over 350 is a bit pointless due to traction. also should be noted that once 300bhp is reach your talking tripple figures for speeds to show much difference so rather pointless.
as far as the twisties go, realy depends on who has the biggest *****
the VXR's i mention are done by VXPC (vauxhall performance centre) including there road going development car a friend of mine owns.
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22 November 2007, 02:04 PM
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I Meant... if the car driving in the wet is quicker than the car driving in the dry... then the car driving in the dry should be slower driving in the wet so therfore scooby wins!!!
Try saying that 3 times over when you have had a few stella's.
22 November 2007, 02:06 PM
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There is another post in here somewhere about the new turbo 4x4 Vectra starting at 300+ bhp, Now that would be interesting to see who's quickest but the vectra can do 5.4 0-60 I think.
22 November 2007, 04:34 PM
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vxr doesnt lap very quickly considering its power ,the old ctr is quicker with 43 bhp less.
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talk of these modded vxr's makes me laugh ,they will be utterly useless for anything other than straight line sprints from a rolling start ,can you imagine a 350 bhp vxr on track trying to lay the power down on the corner exits ,total joke.
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talk of these modded vxr's makes me laugh ,they will be utterly useless for anything other than straight line sprints from a rolling start ,can you imagine a 350 bhp vxr on track trying to lay the power down on the corner exits ,total joke.
22 November 2007, 05:22 PM
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vxr doesnt lap very quickly considering its power ,the old ctr is quicker with 43 bhp less.
Power Laps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
talk of these modded vxr's makes me laugh ,they will be utterly useless for anything other than straight line sprints from a rolling start ,can you imagine a 350 bhp vxr on track trying to lay the power down on the corner exits ,total joke.
Power Laps - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
talk of these modded vxr's makes me laugh ,they will be utterly useless for anything other than straight line sprints from a rolling start ,can you imagine a 350 bhp vxr on track trying to lay the power down on the corner exits ,total joke.
, still prefer me scoobv
22 November 2007, 06:23 PM
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mods on my wagon are newage intercooler and sti8 scoop, home made undertray which is a good seal, full decat exhaust with a scoobysport back box, dawes set to 1.2bar and fcd. adjustable fpr at 3.2bar with vac off. walbro fuel pump.planned mods are ported headers and up pipe, bigger turbo either a td04Hybrid from andy f or a td05 16g, larger injectors and then a remap using an apexi ecu i think. if hes faster at the moment then so be it, i have no idea what power my wagon will be putting out with my mods so far but im pretty sure it will be close in a straight line.
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22 November 2007, 07:43 PM
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22 November 2007, 08:44 PM
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mods on my wagon are newage intercooler and sti8 scoop, home made undertray which is a good seal, full decat exhaust with a scoobysport back box, dawes set to 1.2bar and fcd. adjustable fpr at 3.2bar with vac off. walbro fuel pump.planned mods are ported headers and up pipe, bigger turbo either a td04Hybrid from andy f or a td05 16g, larger injectors and then a remap using an apexi ecu i think. if hes faster at the moment then so be it, i have no idea what power my wagon will be putting out with my mods so far but im pretty sure it will be close in a straight line.
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So when's the track day?
22 November 2007, 09:42 PM
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Show me a 280 Vectra VXR for 8k and I will have it !
More like 12 I would imagine, the magazine and websites do this and you got to look for one and they arent there, yet they will tell you a BMW diesel will be worth more than you paid for it after 5 years and 100k !
23 November 2007, 08:33 AM
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Show me a 280 Vectra VXR for 8k and I will have it !
More like 12 I would imagine, the magazine and websites do this and you got to look for one and they arent there, yet they will tell you a BMW diesel will be worth more than you paid for it after 5 years and 100k ![/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree Vectra's on Y Plate are still up for 3-5G's depending on who's selling them amd I think they are the best shape too with the irmsher standard kit not like the ones today with the massive rear end.
More like 12 I would imagine, the magazine and websites do this and you got to look for one and they arent there, yet they will tell you a BMW diesel will be worth more than you paid for it after 5 years and 100k ![/QUOTE]
Yeah I agree Vectra's on Y Plate are still up for 3-5G's depending on who's selling them amd I think they are the best shape too with the irmsher standard kit not like the ones today with the massive rear end.
23 November 2007, 12:07 PM
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Show me a 280 Vectra VXR for 8k and I will have it !
More like 12 I would imagine, the magazine and websites do this and you got to look for one and they arent there, yet they will tell you a BMW diesel will be worth more than you paid for it after 5 years and 100k !
More like 12 I would imagine, the magazine and websites do this and you got to look for one and they arent there, yet they will tell you a BMW diesel will be worth more than you paid for it after 5 years and 100k !
I part exed my Saab for £1300 on a Y, needed some suspension work but otherwise fit, I would alwsys go the Saab route above a Vauxhall, though they are based on a Vaux there are differences like where Vauxhalls have pressed steel wishbones the Sabs have cast alloy, there is a reason they are dearer new and they depreciate more so you get a better car for the money, trouble is your average punter still sees it as some oddball Swedish thing, not a slightly up specced Vectra with many interchangable bits.
23 November 2007, 03:30 PM
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VXR is a brillaint little car and very quick, also handles well.
Saying that, racing him would be a very stupid idea, as if he drives like a tool he'll probably push too hard and end up in an accident, and who knows who could be involved then.
If you feel you must race him because you are that insecure, try do it in a safe way on a track, otherwise grow up and stop getting wound up about little "my car is faster than your car" nonsense.
Saying that, racing him would be a very stupid idea, as if he drives like a tool he'll probably push too hard and end up in an accident, and who knows who could be involved then.
If you feel you must race him because you are that insecure, try do it in a safe way on a track, otherwise grow up and stop getting wound up about little "my car is faster than your car" nonsense.
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23 November 2007, 07:40 PM
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ive never said that i was going to race him, and why would i feel insecure? im happy with what ive got, im not bothered if hes got the faster car. just bugs me the way he keeps going on thats all, hate braggers so want to take the wind out of his sales... where did you get the idea that i was gonna race??? how about you read the posts and then make your comments...
23 November 2007, 10:18 PM
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No chance - mine was 8 years old and i out accelerated one, not bad for an 8 year old car.
(on a track i might add)age has nothing to do with it as long as it is looked after.
lets face it most people do not leave their scoob standard and at the very least stick a full system and have a remap, this takes them to 260ish and makes them pretty quick up to a ton. what happens above that is anyones guess as the VXR is still a quick and aerodynamic car but i would not start t***ing about on the road like that to find out.
(cos i'm old)
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Get yourself over to Gardeningnet.com
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I mean, the whole twisties thing, yes you can go fast down some twisty lanes and it grips but most cars do, I can go as fast as I dare in mine but the fact that its the road not a track, there are horses, other cars, mud etc quell my enthusiasm for going any faster before the abilities of the car come into play, never mind the number of cameras etc.
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VXR is a brillaint little car and very quick, also handles well.
Saying that, racing him would be a very stupid idea, as if he drives like a tool he'll probably push too hard and end up in an accident, and who knows who could be involved then.
If you feel you must race him because you are that insecure, try do it in a safe way on a track, otherwise grow up and stop getting wound up about little "my car is faster than your car" nonsense.
Saying that, racing him would be a very stupid idea, as if he drives like a tool he'll probably push too hard and end up in an accident, and who knows who could be involved then.
If you feel you must race him because you are that insecure, try do it in a safe way on a track, otherwise grow up and stop getting wound up about little "my car is faster than your car" nonsense.
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Saw Clarkson test one (Astra VXR) on an old Top Gear today ... he didn't seem to like it - torque steer then understeer followed by snap oversteer! Doubt whether it's much threat to a Scoob.
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25 November 2007, 09:16 AM
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Yeah but the VXR tested on top gear wasn't a real VXR. It was an sri with VXR running gear but standard suspension so hardly a fair comparison. Bit silly for Vauxhall to release it though.... knowing it would get slated.
25 November 2007, 12:08 PM
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I think the VXR beat the others in a drag. Think it was a golf gti and a megane 230.
25 November 2007, 05:30 PM
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did you's see the one on topgear couple weeks ago with the golf with 550 bhp but the only thing it could do was go very quick in a straight line amagine if golf get it sorted, what a car that will be.
