Simon Norris EVO crash.
Ive seen the way he drives first hand and he has had numerous near misses and a couple of not so near misses,defend him all you like he still drives like a idiot IMO
07 May 2008, 11:50 PM
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some folk think because he is great at tuning evos that he must be a good driver... eh..no... raggedy and rough... just cos he can afford to crash 100k cars doesnt mean he automatically becomes a good track driver (which he certainly is not ! ) ...
08 May 2008, 08:33 AM
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Unfortunately its in many peoples nature to blame something/someone for their mistake which is why many are reluctant to believe there was a brake failure
08 May 2008, 08:39 AM
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I was looking at the latest crash , and some of the other stuff he's done , not much of a driver is he ! He good at point and squirt , his car control ( or lack of it ) and lines are awfull.
perhaps he should think about racing something with a lot less power ! here is another vid off the P1 owners club showing in car stuff
http://www.norris-designs.co.uk/May%20day%20crash.wmv
Simon ,if your reading this give me a shout if you want someone else to drive your car I'd love to have a go in that , ahh full boost at silly revs instead of no boost after 5k in the restricted rally car
perhaps he should think about racing something with a lot less power ! here is another vid off the P1 owners club showing in car stuff
http://www.norris-designs.co.uk/May%20day%20crash.wmv
Simon ,if your reading this give me a shout if you want someone else to drive your car I'd love to have a go in that , ahh full boost at silly revs instead of no boost after 5k in the restricted rally car
08 May 2008, 10:50 AM
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In fairness as the dust has settled, looks like Simon avoided a far more serious crash....
The footage here from 11 mins in gives an idea of what went on.
http://www.norris-designs.co.uk/May%20day%20crash.wmv
However throughout the vid there are some very questionable moments. Not however directly relating to this accident.
He is probably a damn sight better driver than me, but his handling does come into question at times.
"The cause of the crash was total brake failure on the approach to Tower, I applied the brakes three times but all that happened was the rears locked and unlocked scrubbing no speed. Becuase of this I turned the car in very very early (before the corner) to try and get the car sideways so I could scrub off some speed. It stopped an even more serious possible outcome......ie death for me!
Sadly this meant HEAVY contact with Gary (Orange car) and then the tyre wall. There was a full investigation today (after the event) and I have been praised by the clerk of the course for the way I dealt with a very nasty situation. The official cause was "mechanical failure".
Sadly this 800mile old Evo 9 RS is a total loss, needs a reshell in the minimum. I may just break the car and take some time out until the green car is fixed though. Kind of makes you realise how dangerous motorsport can be.
Cheers all
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p.s. The brakes had boiled fluid which had no previous signs until I applied them on the approach to this corner.
Sadly this meant HEAVY contact with Gary (Orange car) and then the tyre wall. There was a full investigation today (after the event) and I have been praised by the clerk of the course for the way I dealt with a very nasty situation. The official cause was "mechanical failure".
Sadly this 800mile old Evo 9 RS is a total loss, needs a reshell in the minimum. I may just break the car and take some time out until the green car is fixed though. Kind of makes you realise how dangerous motorsport can be.
Cheers all
Si
p.s. The brakes had boiled fluid which had no previous signs until I applied them on the approach to this corner.
http://www.norris-designs.co.uk/May%20day%20crash.wmv
However throughout the vid there are some very questionable moments. Not however directly relating to this accident.
He is probably a damn sight better driver than me, but his handling does come into question at times.
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08 May 2008, 11:12 AM
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I think it's very easy for people to sit behind a computer all calm and sereen stating this and that about track driving, when in fact behind the wheel of a car on track the adrenaline is going to be pumping and sometimes an aggressive nature of driving will begin to show itself. This can be seen in all forms of motorsport from Touring Cars to F1. In Simon's defence he has claimed mechanical failure.
I am no position to be commenting on his driving ability as it far surpasses mine even though some people claim that his ability is nothing but mediocre.
Anyway, maybe a pilot run with Phil Keen is in need, as he, IMHO has some fine car control.
I am no position to be commenting on his driving ability as it far surpasses mine even though some people claim that his ability is nothing but mediocre.
Anyway, maybe a pilot run with Phil Keen is in need, as he, IMHO has some fine car control.
08 May 2008, 01:02 PM
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That to me looked like a missed gear change that put him out of shape just before he lost it, Maureen from driving school has had less crashes than Norris.
Their is no coincedence that this guy keeps on losing it year after year on track, his driving style doesn`t half look rough and shoddy and i bet he goes through some tyres.
Their is no coincedence that this guy keeps on losing it year after year on track, his driving style doesn`t half look rough and shoddy and i bet he goes through some tyres.
08 May 2008, 01:08 PM
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Yes his driving style looks rough but I'm guessing that he has way more skill (through experience) than many on here. That car probably has 5, 6 or 700bhp????? and will be a complete pig because of it. I couldn't imagine trying to keep that car on a track under race conditions and i'm damn sure there are many here who couldn't either.
Sit the bloke in a car which has half the power and put him up against the likes of me in a similar car and i'm sure he would whup my ***. I could be very wrong and in actual fact, he is ****e behind the wheel - but maybe not
Sit the bloke in a car which has half the power and put him up against the likes of me in a similar car and i'm sure he would whup my ***. I could be very wrong and in actual fact, he is ****e behind the wheel - but maybe not
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08 May 2008, 01:16 PM
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He crashes far to many times for the experience he has got, i bet the lad in the red evo wasn`t impressed.
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08 May 2008, 03:15 PM
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The footage here from 11 mins in gives an idea of what went on.
http://www.norris-designs.co.uk/May%20day%20crash.wmv
http://www.norris-designs.co.uk/May%20day%20crash.wmv
Fair play for showing the vid!
08 May 2008, 03:20 PM
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I recall a certain Scotsman who you could almost guarantee a crash on nearly every event.
08 May 2008, 03:29 PM
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From what you can see in the short clip, the failure appeared to occur in the OS front seat.
08 May 2008, 04:36 PM
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The last 2 times he has crashed in a big way he has taken some other poor buggar out, personally i don`t think he has the talent to be driving at them speeds in a safe manor (well as safe as you can get when racing), he is always an accident waiting to happen based on his previous accident record and his ropey driving style.
08 May 2008, 04:57 PM
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cant believe some dafty is comparing this amateur to arguably the worlds finest talent in rally driving... shame on you... 
simon norris is a great tuner/builder but hey, it doesnt take the brains of an archbishop to see he is as rough as a badgers *** with that car.. smooth and fluid is the way...not hash then bash ! which is common for him.. 
simon norris is a great tuner/builder but hey, it doesnt take the brains of an archbishop to see he is as rough as a badgers *** with that car.. smooth and fluid is the way...not hash then bash ! which is common for him..
08 May 2008, 06:52 PM
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I wasnt there, but my argument essentially, is that he had more than enough brakes to slow with everyone else at the beginning of the clip and a few seconds later in the corner where the accident took place, he had enough brakes to lose so much pace that he could turn in too much, onto the infield: it was this that caused the front to wash out and he simply did not deal with a correctable situation (and you cant lose that much speed through tyre scrub, in case anyone wants to suggest it was 4WD magic that allowed him to do this without brakes). Now; before anyone tells me that I dot know that its like driving a 700bhp car, youre right, I dont: but thats not the point. The point is that if youre racing a 700bhp car then you should know how to drive it properly and on the strength of what Ive seen, Simon doesnt. He needs to learn, or to stick to making them go fast while finding a driver who can expoilt his product safely.
Simon
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08 May 2008, 06:52 PM
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I think some idiots ON HERE need to perhaps see the in-car footage of this incident before casting aspertions about THIS incident, before slagging off the driver!!
A deaf man with no eyesight can see/hear from the in-car footage that the drivers brakes have failed, since he bottomed out the brake pedal at least 3 times before taking the car on the infield. If he hadnt of chose that route and hit someone else (which is unfortunate), he may not be hear today.
Motorsport IS dangerous and things like this DO happen.
Thankfully, no one was hurt.
A deaf man with no eyesight can see/hear from the in-car footage that the drivers brakes have failed, since he bottomed out the brake pedal at least 3 times before taking the car on the infield. If he hadnt of chose that route and hit someone else (which is unfortunate), he may not be hear today.
Motorsport IS dangerous and things like this DO happen.
Thankfully, no one was hurt.
08 May 2008, 06:54 PM
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They said over the tannoy at Casle Combe on Monday that his evo had 630bhp and it centinaly looked quick enough for a small fairly narrow track such as combe.
08 May 2008, 06:59 PM
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Webmaster, calling SN members idiots is not acceptable. Having watched the in-car footage I can not see the drivers legs and whilst my laptops speakers are terrible, nor can I hear anything to suggest that he is repeatedly breaking.
08 May 2008, 07:01 PM
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I think some idiots ON HERE need to perhaps see the in-car footage of this incident before casting aspertions about THIS incident, before slagging off the driver!!
A deaf man with no eyesight can see/hear from the in-car footage that the drivers brakes have failed, since he bottomed out the brake pedal at least 3 times before taking the car on the infield. If he hadnt of chose that route and hit someone else (which is unfortunate), he may not be hear today.
Motorsport IS dangerous and things like this DO happen.
Thankfully, no one was hurt.
A deaf man with no eyesight can see/hear from the in-car footage that the drivers brakes have failed, since he bottomed out the brake pedal at least 3 times before taking the car on the infield. If he hadnt of chose that route and hit someone else (which is unfortunate), he may not be hear today.
Motorsport IS dangerous and things like this DO happen.
Thankfully, no one was hurt.
He should have eased up and settled for second place as he knew he had sever. brake problems.
08 May 2008, 07:08 PM
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Get better speakers..... you can clearly here the master cylinder going full travel at least three times. He had very little braking power at the point of that incident. Even on the infield you can hear the master cylinder going full travel again at least another two times.
PAS,
If he knew he had brake problems (which he has stated he did not prior to the incident) then that throws a different light on the subject. Is that an undisputed fact?
Get better speakers..... you can clearly here the master cylinder going full travel at least three times. He had very little braking power at the point of that incident. Even on the infield you can hear the master cylinder going full travel again at least another two times.
PAS,
If he knew he had brake problems (which he has stated he did not prior to the incident) then that throws a different light on the subject. Is that an undisputed fact?