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[quote=T-gro;7314210]NO NO NO NO NO NO!!!!

How can a car that allows you to vary the centre diff from open to locked via anywhere inbetween be more dangerous than a car with a simpler viscous coupling?

Actually, I've seen a flaw in that statement. Let me rephrase:

How can a car that allows a driver that has taken the time to understand exactly what the sophisticated piece of kit his car has actually does to vary the centre diff from open to locked via anywhere inbetween be more dangerous than a car with a simpler viscous coupling?[/quote

In reading much about the WRX and UK turbo I've always been lead to believe that they do suffer from understeer if pressed going arounds corners or round bends. The fact that type Rs offer you the control the torque up to 50-50 is a much better proposition.

I didn't bother adding comments to the thread about type Rs being dangerous in the wet as I've never experienced this myself. I've got a mildly tuned R and have only ever notice a bit of wheel spin when running over some painted lines on the highways.

The biggest point worth mentioning is that the R doesn't have ABS but the P1 does. Think about your driving style too. I've say drive them both and make your own choice. Both very nice and capable cars.

T-gro

There is some truth in that, but I don't agree fully.

The DCCD isn't, of course, idiot proof, because an idiot can set it inappropriately, but it isn't, in itself difficult in it's operation.

I think, as far as the type-r is concerned, what distinguishes it in wet handling conditions from a P1 is the rear diff, which is quite aggressive, and the front springing, which is quite firm. I would consider these issues to drive around, rather than wet weather flaws, but the whole point I'd wish to make with the DCCD is that I believe it makes these things easier to deal with rather than harder.

T-gro

That is true.

However, I had far more problems with ABS triggering when I didn't want it to than I had without ABS with the R.

scobymad

good point about the lack of ABS

must have a look into DCCD i know what it is just just never really paid any attention to it as ive only had the uk turbo for 4 years

so far im 60/40 on the p1

gpssti4

iTrader: (6)

I agree!!! The rear diff is a bit tight. But for most people, I still feel a P1 is a 'safer' bet. Even with the DCCD wound forward and partially locked, it still takes a while to get used to it. This is why some people crash when they're not used to it's handling and are experimenting with the DCCD, lot's of oversteer. You can easily provoke the rear end enough to get it to step out.

So, it depends on what you want. Safe or (potentially) scary!

scoobynutta555

If it will be an everyday car then I'd go for the P1 everytime. You'll see around 50 miles plus from a tank of fuel. You won't have to faff about with the diff controls either

simog

iTrader: (1)

Only 50 miles from a full tank hey!! Petrol garage both ways on a work day then!

vindaloo

Fsck! My MAFs way on its last legs then. Last tank was over 230!

what would scooby do

P1 is a detuned Type-R with all the goodies taken away IMHO

Type-R was the first scoob I ever owned and never had problems with DCCD.

mozzaITA

hmm i get 22 mpg and around 340 km for £40 tesco 99ron special

scoobynutta555

A P1 a detuned typeR with all the goodies taken away? What rubbish. The goodies you mention are virtually usless to the average driver.

Let me clear up the 50 mpg thing, I meant you'd get at least 50 more miles from a tank in a P1 than you would from a typeR.

scooby-tc

iTrader: (2)

Id like to see a P1 get 350+ miles from a tank of fuel i always got over 300 miles to a tank out of my type r i wish the spec c was as good on fuel.
I think the Type R is a great car has a lot of extra goodies over the P1 including i/c waterspray,electric folding mirrors,better dash (in that you have a big rev counter and smaller speedo instead of the UK car having the other way round)DCCD if you are into trackdays and as the others have said with a P1 you are limited to one colour,common as muck blue,whereas the type r comes in all sorts of flavours

Sprint Chief

First - they are both great cars, but have important differences. Drive both and find out.

Depends on a lot of factors. The viscous coupling in a P1 is measurably less efficient than the DCCD in the type R. I believe some type-R V-Ltds have a tall 5th, so you could arguably get better mpg from some type-Rs. Of course mpg probably shouldn't a big factor when choosing a scooby

scoobynutta555

Hello tc, all the differences you've listed make no odds at all to the average driver, and in some cases are more of a pain. I missed nothing at all when I sold my typeR for a P1.

Also, I've managed 372 (IIRC) miles from a P1 with more left in the tank, certainly averaging well over 300. I averaged around 280 in my typeR. And of course mpg is a factor when buying an Impreza. Would you buy one if it did 5 mpg? I don't think so.

And the blue, best colour bar none, maybe you'll see one day TC when you buy an Impreza in the proper colour

Sprint Chief

Of course, there are two ways to take advantage of the efficiency of the DCCD; you can either take better mpg or you can use the extra WHP The driver has that choice!!!

I think I generally achieve less than 5 mpg when sprinting my impreza I haven't yet tried to calculate it!!!

scooby-tc

iTrader: (2)

Ive got one in the ONLY colour actually i have 2 as the Type R is parked up outside aswell

Oh and hello V

exvaux

iTrader: (1)

erm ive never had more than 200 out of a full tank in nearly 2 years,worst was 130 miles when the lambda was dead id love 250 miles to a tank but thats not why i bought it

shustir

The only reason I bought my Type R over a P1 was because it was cheaper. That is not to say that I hanker after a P1 or anything. as I believe they both have their +ves and -ves.

scoobynutta555

All my cars were, and are, daily drivers. I wouldn't have a car for long if I barely got 200 miles from a 50 quid tank full! The heavily modded car I have now still gets 270 ish with the bar on quarter level.