Will Gordon call a general election this years?
05 October 2007, 02:09 PM
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Brown is now damned:
- If he calls an election he proves he's a fool that will risk it all on the roll of a dice and risks going down in history as the shortest serving PM.
- If he doesn't call an election then he proves that he knows he'll lose therefore he'll cling onto power by his fingernails despite the public not wanting hm there.
Either way, he's doomed.
- If he calls an election he proves he's a fool that will risk it all on the roll of a dice and risks going down in history as the shortest serving PM.
- If he doesn't call an election then he proves that he knows he'll lose therefore he'll cling onto power by his fingernails despite the public not wanting hm there.
Either way, he's doomed.
Another thing to bear in mind is voter apathy. The Tory voters will come out in force, will the Labour voters, especially the old ones on a cold & wet day in November.
By the way if it happens it will be Nov 1 or Nov 8.
08 October 2007, 10:08 AM
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08 October 2007, 10:23 AM
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He wasnt the one voted in by the electorate, even policies are changing, therefore there should have been an election when TB stepped down IMO
08 October 2007, 10:29 AM
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Yup I agree, when a leader stands down there should be an election.
BUT
You and I did not vote Tony Blair into No10, we voted for a local MP to represent us in our wards.
Due to the number of wards won by the Labour party being a majority to the other parties, they have the right to put THEIR chosen leader in No10.
So in reality, a change of head man at Labour does not constitute an election.
I do think he is a muppet for making such a mess of it all.
If anyone saw Adam Boltons interview of the Home Sec on Sky News yesterday..... damn they took a beating. Shame it was not Flash himself.
Just another example of showmanship gone wrong!
BUT
You and I did not vote Tony Blair into No10, we voted for a local MP to represent us in our wards.
Due to the number of wards won by the Labour party being a majority to the other parties, they have the right to put THEIR chosen leader in No10.
So in reality, a change of head man at Labour does not constitute an election.
I do think he is a muppet for making such a mess of it all.
If anyone saw Adam Boltons interview of the Home Sec on Sky News yesterday..... damn they took a beating. Shame it was not Flash himself.
Just another example of showmanship gone wrong!
08 October 2007, 10:40 AM
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Really nice article that gives a view of the spin (Labour, Tory and Media) behind it all:
"Nothing became the general election of November 1 2007 more than the manner of its messy, premature death.
On Friday evening the political editors of the four Sunday broadsheet newspapers were informed by Number 10 that Mr Brown had decided against an election. He met his aides earlier that day, and concluded an election could be won, but not by a large enough margin.
The political editors were told Mr Brown would give a pre-recorded interview on Saturday afternoon to Andrew Marr for broadcast on his BBC Sunday morning programme. Selective transcripts would be available to the papers.
Word reached the shadow chancellor, George Osborne, and just before 2pm the news spread to the Tory blogosphere. Nick Robinson, the BBC political editor, not chosen by Downing Street to conduct the interview, also heard, and as England ground out its victory against Australia in the Rugby World Cup, Radio 5 news interrupted the scrummages to say Mr Robinson had heard that the election was off.
This sequence had two consequences. The Tories were ready early, with an assured response; and the decision to exclude Sky News and ITN from the Brown announcement had a dire impact on the coverage they gave the prime minister."
How Tory bounce and a killer question ended poll plans | Special Reports | Guardian Unlimited Politics
"Nothing became the general election of November 1 2007 more than the manner of its messy, premature death.
On Friday evening the political editors of the four Sunday broadsheet newspapers were informed by Number 10 that Mr Brown had decided against an election. He met his aides earlier that day, and concluded an election could be won, but not by a large enough margin.
The political editors were told Mr Brown would give a pre-recorded interview on Saturday afternoon to Andrew Marr for broadcast on his BBC Sunday morning programme. Selective transcripts would be available to the papers.
Word reached the shadow chancellor, George Osborne, and just before 2pm the news spread to the Tory blogosphere. Nick Robinson, the BBC political editor, not chosen by Downing Street to conduct the interview, also heard, and as England ground out its victory against Australia in the Rugby World Cup, Radio 5 news interrupted the scrummages to say Mr Robinson had heard that the election was off.
This sequence had two consequences. The Tories were ready early, with an assured response; and the decision to exclude Sky News and ITN from the Brown announcement had a dire impact on the coverage they gave the prime minister."
How Tory bounce and a killer question ended poll plans | Special Reports | Guardian Unlimited Politics
08 October 2007, 11:43 AM
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Interesting that it was a pre-recorded interview with Andrew Marr. That will be the next ploy then to make sure that they can't get caught out by a telling question or two!
What a dishonest bunch of creeps they all are!
Les
What a dishonest bunch of creeps they all are!
Les
08 October 2007, 01:05 PM
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Tomorrows Fish 'n' Chip paper ..............
Very clever move to get the Tories to show their hand on some policies - now, I bet he will raise Inheritance Tax limits 'just' before the next Election!!
We WANT a clever mind leading us, don't we?? We WANT him to act cute when dealing with the French, don't we??
Very clever move to get the Tories to show their hand on some policies - now, I bet he will raise Inheritance Tax limits 'just' before the next Election!!
We WANT a clever mind leading us, don't we?? We WANT him to act cute when dealing with the French, don't we??
08 October 2007, 01:34 PM
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08 October 2007, 01:45 PM
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A young Scotsman named Gordon bought a donkey from an old farmer for
£100.00.
The farmer agreed to deliver the donkey the next day.
When the farmer drove up the next day, he said, "Sorry son, but I have
some bad news...the donkey is on my truck, but he's dead."
Gordon replied, "Well then, just give me my money back."
The farmer said, "I Can't do that. I went and spent it already."
Gordon said, "OK then, just unload the donkey anyway".
The farmer asked, "What are ya gonna do with him?"
Gordon said, "I'm going to raffle him off."
To which the farmer exclaimed, "You can't raffle off a dead donkey!"
But Gordon , with a big smile on his face, said "Sure I can. Watch me. I
just won't tell anybody that he's dead."
A month later the farmer met up with Gordon and asked, "What happened with
that dead donkey?"
Gordon said, "I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two pounds a piece
and made a huge profit"
Totally amazed, the farmer asked, "Didn't anyone complain that you had
stolen their money because you lied about the donkey being dead?"
And Gordon replied, "The only guy who found out about the donkey being
dead was the raffle winner, when he came to claim his prize. So I gave him
his £2 back plus £200 extra, which is double the going value of a donkey,
so he thought I was a great guy."
Gordon grew up and eventually became the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and
no matter how many times he lied or how much money he stole from British
voters, as long as he gave them back some of the stolen money, most of
them thought he was a great guy.
£100.00.
The farmer agreed to deliver the donkey the next day.
When the farmer drove up the next day, he said, "Sorry son, but I have
some bad news...the donkey is on my truck, but he's dead."
Gordon replied, "Well then, just give me my money back."
The farmer said, "I Can't do that. I went and spent it already."
Gordon said, "OK then, just unload the donkey anyway".
The farmer asked, "What are ya gonna do with him?"
Gordon said, "I'm going to raffle him off."
To which the farmer exclaimed, "You can't raffle off a dead donkey!"
But Gordon , with a big smile on his face, said "Sure I can. Watch me. I
just won't tell anybody that he's dead."
A month later the farmer met up with Gordon and asked, "What happened with
that dead donkey?"
Gordon said, "I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two pounds a piece
and made a huge profit"
Totally amazed, the farmer asked, "Didn't anyone complain that you had
stolen their money because you lied about the donkey being dead?"
And Gordon replied, "The only guy who found out about the donkey being
dead was the raffle winner, when he came to claim his prize. So I gave him
his £2 back plus £200 extra, which is double the going value of a donkey,
so he thought I was a great guy."
Gordon grew up and eventually became the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and
no matter how many times he lied or how much money he stole from British
voters, as long as he gave them back some of the stolen money, most of
them thought he was a great guy.
08 October 2007, 02:00 PM
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A young Scotsman named Gordon bought a donkey from an old farmer for
£100.00.
The farmer agreed to deliver the donkey the next day.
When the farmer drove up the next day, he said, "Sorry son, but I have
some bad news...the donkey is on my truck, but he's dead."
Gordon replied, "Well then, just give me my money back."
The farmer said, "I Can't do that. I went and spent it already."
Gordon said, "OK then, just unload the donkey anyway".
The farmer asked, "What are ya gonna do with him?"
Gordon said, "I'm going to raffle him off."
To which the farmer exclaimed, "You can't raffle off a dead donkey!"
But Gordon , with a big smile on his face, said "Sure I can. Watch me. I
just won't tell anybody that he's dead."
A month later the farmer met up with Gordon and asked, "What happened with
that dead donkey?"
Gordon said, "I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two pounds a piece
and made a huge profit"
Totally amazed, the farmer asked, "Didn't anyone complain that you had
stolen their money because you lied about the donkey being dead?"
And Gordon replied, "The only guy who found out about the donkey being
dead was the raffle winner, when he came to claim his prize. So I gave him
his £2 back plus £200 extra, which is double the going value of a donkey,
so he thought I was a great guy."
Gordon grew up and eventually became the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and
no matter how many times he lied or how much money he stole from British
voters, as long as he gave them back some of the stolen money, most of
them thought he was a great guy.
£100.00.
The farmer agreed to deliver the donkey the next day.
When the farmer drove up the next day, he said, "Sorry son, but I have
some bad news...the donkey is on my truck, but he's dead."
Gordon replied, "Well then, just give me my money back."
The farmer said, "I Can't do that. I went and spent it already."
Gordon said, "OK then, just unload the donkey anyway".
The farmer asked, "What are ya gonna do with him?"
Gordon said, "I'm going to raffle him off."
To which the farmer exclaimed, "You can't raffle off a dead donkey!"
But Gordon , with a big smile on his face, said "Sure I can. Watch me. I
just won't tell anybody that he's dead."
A month later the farmer met up with Gordon and asked, "What happened with
that dead donkey?"
Gordon said, "I raffled him off. I sold 500 tickets at two pounds a piece
and made a huge profit"
Totally amazed, the farmer asked, "Didn't anyone complain that you had
stolen their money because you lied about the donkey being dead?"
And Gordon replied, "The only guy who found out about the donkey being
dead was the raffle winner, when he came to claim his prize. So I gave him
his £2 back plus £200 extra, which is double the going value of a donkey,
so he thought I was a great guy."
Gordon grew up and eventually became the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and
no matter how many times he lied or how much money he stole from British
voters, as long as he gave them back some of the stolen money, most of
them thought he was a great guy.
how true!
08 October 2007, 02:26 PM
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Tomorrows Fish 'n' Chip paper ..............
Very clever move to get the Tories to show their hand on some policies - now, I bet he will raise Inheritance Tax limits 'just' before the next Election!!
We WANT a clever mind leading us, don't we?? We WANT him to act cute when dealing with the French, don't we??
Very clever move to get the Tories to show their hand on some policies - now, I bet he will raise Inheritance Tax limits 'just' before the next Election!!
We WANT a clever mind leading us, don't we?? We WANT him to act cute when dealing with the French, don't we??
He wiil do just what the Eu wants to make sure he eventually gets an Eu sinecure like Charles Clark, the grossly incompetent Home Secretary who is to be Eu Minister for Justice at an enormous salary and expense account for goodness' sake!
Not so much a clever but a self seeking mind like the rest of them.
Oh its good to have you back PSL! How else would I get the excuse for a good rant!
Les
09 October 2007, 02:45 PM
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I don't think he bottled it, I think it was a clever ploy to get the tories to show their cards - smack in the middle of their conference as well. Genius. Now, as Pete says, Brown will pick the good bits from the hastily prepared tory policies and make them his own
10 October 2007, 12:05 PM
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