golfturbo

After a re-chip the 150 bhp and the 180 bhp are virtually the same
150 = 195 post rechip with 220-240 lbs torque
180 = 215 (max) post re-chip 220-240 lbs torque
they both use the same size turbo. a K03

if you get the RS 2wd you won't get into the 5's for 0-60
but it will be quicker overall (its lighter) even with the k04 upgrade you will be lucky to get below 6 seconds due to traction
If you get the 4wd you should be able to get 6 or just below with just a re-chip but overall it will be slower than the RS because of the extra weight

have a look at these two sites to see the stuff available
www.auto-amd.com
www.starperformance.co.uk

diho

I own a Octavia RS since september 2001. The only thing I do with it is driving on the Nordschleife. My car has 210 hp. An extra large intercooler will be fitted in a few weeks. 18 inch BBS Rc wheels with Dunlop SP9000 tyres. Porsche Biturbo brakes. Bilstein is making a Nordschleife suspension at this time.

It is just wonderful to drive. Faster on the track then a Integra-R and very nice on the limit.

Grt. Dick

golfturbo

The good thing about the octavia is that you can have all the stuff thats been developed for the TT A3 S3 GOLF etc

How about a 4wd 1.8T octavia estate with:
hybrid turbo & FMIC....350+ bhp
porsche turbo 4 pot brake upgrade
uprated suspension

can you image the look on other drivers faces when they get blown away by a skoda.....me included

GaryC

Have been following this with interest.

I know three people who have chipped VW 1.8T engines - two in Golfs one in a TT 180. All three got found out at the next dealer visit, even with 'undetectable downloads', and had their warrenties voided.

Furthermore, one of the Golfs and the TT have had serious problems. All the chips really do is force/trick the ECU to run more boost to get more power, but the remainder of the car isn't uprated accordingly. Boost levels are set in each car for a reason.

I modified my Impreza quite a bit, taking a standard car to 289bhp but ensured the (accomodating) dealer fitted all options so as to cover me.

Think about it, if for a couple of hundred pounds the engine could realistically and reliably be increased by 45/35bhp, why don't the manufacturers do that themselves? Do you think the chip manufacturers know more than the car manufacturers?

I can't understand why people buy brand new cars from main dealers costing £15/20/25/30,000 with the clear plan of jepodising the warrenty and reliability of this brand new car by taking it to some 'backstreet' garage to fit a cheap chip, all in the quest for a little more power Each to their own I guess.


The other thing that still bewilders me (I must be getting old ) is this still fascination on 0-60 times When do you ever do 0-60 in the quickest time possible? - especially with the road/traffic/police as they are in this country? What do you hope to be able to ascertain from the 0-60 time of a car? A quick 0-60 is no sign of a fast car. Grip and gear ratios (ie 1 or 2 gear changes) have far more influence than power on the 0-60 time. Even then, power is about the least effective way to make your car quicker/more fun.


I have 2 cars. One does 0-60 in c7.5 secs and the other in about 4.2 secs.

7.5 secs is not quick at all by modern standards, about the same as a standard Golf GTi Turbo - does that mean my car's performance is on a par with a GTi T? No Because 0-60 is a poor comparison/performance measure. This same car has a midrange to better a 911 and 50-70 time that equals a Ferrari 355, as while it 'only' has 190bhp it has almost 300lb/ft of torque. AND is a diesel (330d)

4.2 Secs is quick. My impreza could probably manage something like 4.5-4.8 and a high spec EVO/Sti can manage close to, if not beat the 4 sec mark. Does that mean my Car gives Evo/STi levels of performance? No Because 0-60 is a poor comparison/performance measure. My Car has around 340bhp/tonne (no current Ferrari gets over 300/tonne and a top spec Lamborghini Diablo only just manages 340/tonne - an STI/Evo comes in around 220/tonne and would need almost 500bhp to get to 340/tonne ) but because of its poor traction, very small (motorbike) clutch and very peaky engine (peak power at 10500 rpm ) it doesn't do so well in the 0-60 stakes - does that mean its a bad car? Once on the road, and especially on track, nothing much can touch it.


Granted, we can't all take our cars to a race circuit to assess performance through lap times and corner speeds, but improvements in brakes, suspension (proper set-ups not just 'lowering' kits ) and weight will have far more influence in fun, enjoyment and A-B speed. Don't get hung up on 0-60 ond outright power - it means nothing!


[Edited by GaryC - 1/13/2002 9:57:07 AM]

golfturbo

Wow thats a very long post but not very well researched in respect to the VAG 1.8T i'm afraid

1)It depends who has done the re-chip/remap - they use different methods...the good ones do it on a rolling road and do a re-map
2)VAG do sell different versions in different states of tune
thats why it comes in 150 and 180 (180 is more or less a re-map)
3)the reason VAG don't sell higher power versions is because of insruance.. some of the quoted bhp figs for german cars are understated to keep within their bhp groupings
4)you can go into a VW AUDI etc and buy a re-maped uprated version
ie ABT and OETTINGER two of the most famous tuners around, they both do re-chips/re-map bigger turbo conversions of the 150.....to 195/215/235 the last upgrade being what i have....with porsche turbo 4 pot front brakes and front mount intercooler/susp/wheels etc... btw my car has done 85000 - my last three visits to VAG Dealers(it had a three year unlimited mile warranty) didn't say anything about voided warranty and its got an upgraded exhaust to give it away even more - it depends which dealer u take it to
5)The last time i was at AMD they had a TT225 a TT180 and an S3 not even registered straight off the transporter from Germany (they even had to take the packaging off) in for re-map/porsche brake upgrade and uprated susp - all requested by a certain AUDI dealer in the Oxford area to be used as demonstrators - i think their director drives an AMD S4
6) all of the top tuners advertise in the VW/AUDI group specialist magazines....AMD MTM OETTINGER ABT (APR are a recent addition i think their an American company and they do a switchable re-chip)which one did your friend use ?

GaryC

I can only speak from experience of three tuned cars!

..And 'accessibility' through a dealer is no assurance of a warranty being covered. The new MINI cooper 'Works' (ie overpriced John Cooper edition) is available through BMW dealers, but the warranty on the engine is voided. BMW do this so they know who has done the upgrade Germans are sneaky

Likewise many aftermarket tuners advertise in motor magazine whether marque specific or otherwise (ie Scoobysport/Scoobymania/TSL etc in EVO/Jap performance/Banzai etc)


Each to their own! As long as you are happy and 'comfortable' thats all you need to concern yourself about!

golfturbo

I would be interested to know who they used and what the problem was so i could post a message to the relevant forums .....i'm a regular reader of forums for Golfs TT'S ETC and haven't seen any postings about problems with re-chips....their is a problem with the stock DUMP VALVE its prone to failure on standard or chipped cars, which is why most people upgrade to the serviceable Forge

You also implied that the results from re-chips were false and too cheap to be true..the standard 150 bhp 1.8t is running relatively little boost 0.6/0.7 bar so 40-45 bhp from a re-chip is totally realistic.

I also wouldn't regard the tuner i use (AMD) as some back street merchant....Geoff the Man who set the business up is regarded as one of the most knowledgeable guys in the business.

I would rather leave my car in the hands of people that regularly work on cars with number plates that cost more than the average person spends on a car, than a dealer service dept thats needs to get your car in and out as quick as possible to make a profit.

From the TT FORUM
Guy takes his nearly new TT225 to be re-chipped by AMD (felt slower than his previous re-chipped TT180). 2 hours later gets a call from GEOFF to say the car is only producing 165bhp - AMD diagnosed the problem and told him to take it back to AUDI (they didn't charge him) Takes car back to AMD to make sure its producing 225bhp, it is - gets it re-mapped 270bhp / 300lbs torque
happy man........enough said.