ZIPPY

Why not, so if Daddy is behind this i'm wrong for mentioning my theory now.Its called my democratic right, its only my opinion and this is the perfect place to discuss my/our thoughts on such a high profile case.

Her parents chose the route they took with the 'Charity' they set up donations topping £1m so on and so forth so cannot defend the case being openly discussed in public and neither can you.

The whole story surrounding the 'Holiday with friends' will never come out, they have too many friends in high places.

People will have opinions some you agree with some you wont but again thats the point of a public forum.

SiPie

I'm with ZIPPY on this one....

Doesn't mean I agree with his theory, but there is no reason why it shouldn't be aired here

jasey

Yep - We live in a democracy last time I checked .

Also think the theory has more holes in it than a New Labia pledge on Education.

Doubt very much that the McCanns had anything to do with the actual abduction - they were far too busy partying

NACRO

I'd just like to point out that while we live in a theoretical democracy in the real world that scoobynet isn't one. The webmaster himself has said as much.

As I see it Zippy is as entitled to share his point of view as those who think parents who abandoned their babies to go out drinking were just unlucky when something bad happened to them.

ZIPPY

Like your second point Jasey but again my theory is just that, a theory and only my opinion to which i'm entitled too.


Zippy

Stephb1986

to be honest im with zippy on this one i said when it first happened that her dad had something to do with this and i still think he has, he shows no emotions when doing tv appeals and after all she is a IVF baby and they waited 5 years for her but now they have two other kids they aint really that arsed!

Trout

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Not sure I see your logic.

They are so desperate for a baby that they try everything that can over five years including IVF...

...then have twins so decide to get rid of the first one?

Seems extremely unlikely to me!


Personally I find little or no empathy with Gerry McCann however his job does require him to manage his emotions very tightly even when very stressed so we are seeing him use his professional resources as a front.

Devildog

On GMTV this morning

To the McCann's: "are you in any way responsible for your daughter's dissapearance?"

The McCann's: "Absolutely not"

Now, I suspect the question was very much "did you do it" and the answer" it wasn't us", but it appears to me that they are still in denial that their action were in any way wrong.

Anyway, David, I suspect that Gerry McCann's job doesn't so much require him to manage his emotions very tightly, but rather he is not a particularly emotional person to begin with.

But I tend to agree that they really should f*ck off out of Portugal and, if nothing else, be concentrating on their other children who must be wondering just what is going on right now...

Trout

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His job does require that he manages his emotions and I do not dispute that he is particularly suited as he is not very emotional to start with

They have reiterated that they will not leave Portugal until Maddie is found.

They will be there a while then

When Kate was interviewed on her own she pretty much said what they did was wrong - a little different to Gerry being encouraged and reassured that other people would have been just as stupid as them

KiwiGTI

I completely disagree with that, many doctors are emotional people and they should develop empathy with their patients. And in any case that is their career, this is your daughter - he should be emotional. This guy comes across as a complete ******.

Trout

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Wow - Kiwi disagreeing - hold the front page!

SiPie

jasey

Hey leave Rannoch alone

KiwiGTI

That's not very constructive.

Leslie

By doing so you are defaming his character. If he had done such a thing you would be entitled to do so and I would most certainly join you in running his character down. However, unless you personally are in possession of irrefutable evidence that he is guilty of murder and fooling the world about it then democracy or not, you are not entitled to slander him over the matter.

At the moment no evidence has been published to show that the McCanns are guilty of anything more apart from from their appalling mistake in leaving their children alone in an unlocked room and not taking advantage of the baby sitting service that was available. They deserve the strongest criticism for that as I have said before.

If they were to turn out to be guilty of anything worse then it should at least be left until evidence of that comes to light before accusing them of any kind of complicity or shameful actions.

Les

pimmo2000

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Its a really touchy subject. Although everyone is entitled to their own opinions and so long as they state that it is opinion then I dont see why they can not post it on this board. Howeve on the flip side, this man has lost his daughter and the tiny piece of humanitly left inside me is screaming at the posts we they claim he is responsable.

When I was just over a year old my mum misjudged my ability in the baby walker. She assumed I couldnt move as a Scooby driver of the future I was off out the back door, which was a high step and I banged my head. ... shut up before you say it.

Now if I had died technically it would have been my mums fault because she made a mistake but in this case I didnt... everyone just said how lucky we were...

I think its easy to judge someone from behind a keyboard! but Les is right on this, its not fair and its not constructive.

SiPie

Les

Sorry to be a pedant here but Slander relates to false or malicious claims that may harm someone's reputation

Zippy hasn't claimed anything

He only has a theory and made that perfectly clear in his post therefore Zippy is perfectly within his rights to say what he has...

Maybe not to everyone's liking but it is NOT slanderous

Cheers

Janspeed

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In the next few days, all will be sorted, wether people like it or not!

Trout

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Neither is opening a response with this...

It would suffice to proffer an alternative view then the reading public could decide whether we agree or disagree.

On the point - my understanding is that Gerry McCann was a cardiologist and speaking personally the last thing I would want during a triple bypass would be for my cardiologist to get all emotional when it goes a bit Pete Tong.

SiPie

I completely disagree with that

KiwiGTI

The last thing I'd want is a cardiologist doing my triple bypass, a cardiac surgeon would do a better job.

My Mum has spent 30 years as a cardiac nurse, I've met many of the doctors she has worked with and the majority of them are extremely warm human beings that have genuine feelings and emotions. They can brush aside those while doing a job but it still has an emotional impact that often hits them afterwards, especially in paediatric cardiology.

None of them seem to have become immune to the emotional attachment of their family members.

SiPie

**** me

Thought I was being the pedant in this thread today

Geezer

I was watching Richard and Judy last night in my hotel room, and they were talking about this. They had a an ex-policemand on, and when questioned about how disgusting it was that the McGanns should be under suspicion, he deliberately avoided the question and said they should of course be suspects.

I also went to see Jerry Sadowitz at the Edinburgh Festival last night, and he finished off his act about the McGanns. Oh dear, but I have to say it was very funny. It seems that they have become fair game for anyone and everyone.

Geezer

Trout

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Was Jerry as insane, abusive and funny as ever?

Regarding the McCanns - if you take the media bull by the horns and you have to expect to get gored once in a while...

Geezer

I laughed so much I nearly cried! He was utterly offensive to anyone and everyone you can think of. And a good magician to boot.

Geezer

Devildog

Devildog

Cardiologist or cardiac surgeon, All I'd be concerned about is getting one with a bit of common sense

Anyway, If I may offer an alternative point to that given by Kiwi -

I can be extremely empethatic with the workforce that I've just had to make redundant in, for example, December (and who won't get paid by the Dti for 12weeks or so if they are lucky) when they ask me how they are going to pay their mortgage/food bill/christmas shopping. It's the job. I'm certainly not going to give a second thought to the fact that little Jonny won't be getting a new bike on 25 December.

Empathy is a skill used for effect and to make a given situation easier for all. Its nothing to do with emotion.

Leslie

Well I have not had any training as far as the nitty gritty of the law is concerned Sipie, but what Zippy said can be taken as a pretty offensive inference. It is just not fair to start saying things like that about someone because it is another slant which could fit the situation but has no evidence whatsover. There are obviously plenty of people about who would like to think that probably because of all the money which has been donated to Madeleine's cause. This is mentioned regularly in posts of course!

It amounts to an accusation really if you think about it, being made with circumstantial evidence which is not admissable in court and even if you say it is not legally slanderous, it certainly is in the sense that it is besmirching the father's character unfairly.

Les

Trout

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At the end of the day the McCanns, on the back of a mistake with horrific consequences, placed themselves on a very high global pedestal.

Whilst in some it has engendered sympathy, with others it engendered questions. Given that all of this is of their own making they have to accept all of it in equal measure.

Rannoch

DCI Gene Hunt

I'm fed up of the McCann's..... and is it just me or does she have a funny shaped nose?

And as others have said its the way Zippy phrased his theory rather than the theory itself which people seem to be highlighting....

She still has a funny nose though