anyone come up against focus st?
04 June 2007, 11:03 PM
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Its totally different to drive than my Impreza.
Had a acceleration 'test' against a newage UK WRX and stuck with it no problem. Handling not as good as Impreza but not to bad for everyday driving. Track day merchants might require suspension mod's though.
Overall though i prefer the better build quality, solid ride and the fact it attracts less attention than the Subaru.
Traction wise it has VAG Haldex 4wd system.
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Had a acceleration 'test' against a newage UK WRX and stuck with it no problem. Handling not as good as Impreza but not to bad for everyday driving. Track day merchants might require suspension mod's though.
Overall though i prefer the better build quality, solid ride and the fact it attracts less attention than the Subaru.
Traction wise it has VAG Haldex 4wd system.
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04 June 2007, 11:17 PM
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There is a bit of a price difference in the posters choice 
Why spend over ten g's when you are considering a car for a few g's?
Personally i would go for the newer car than a well worn thrashed Subaru which face it has had its day.
A standard 12 year old wrx is nothing these days apart from a money pit.
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Why spend over ten g's when you are considering a car for a few g's?
Personally i would go for the newer car than a well worn thrashed Subaru which face it has had its day.
A standard 12 year old wrx is nothing these days apart from a money pit.
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I commend you for talking absolute pish, sir!
I would recommend getting a jdm Sti 5, some choice mods to around 340Bhp, then you can make more than just focus st and Vauxhall VXR's look silly. Not as silly as Nik and his very limited opinion on Classic WRX's though!
04 June 2007, 11:55 PM
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There is not alot in it between the 2 my mate had one ST-3 and i have a hawkeye 07 WRX and until i sorted out the cats and the rest of the pipes oh and the filter the focus was not far off but now its no chance...
The focus is a really well built motor and its nice to drive and handles well for a front wheel drive motor...
Best of the hot hatches i would say...
The focus is a really well built motor and its nice to drive and handles well for a front wheel drive motor...
Best of the hot hatches i would say...
05 June 2007, 12:32 AM
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There is not alot in it between the 2 my mate had one ST-3 and i have a hawkeye 07 WRX and until i sorted out the cats and the rest of the pipes oh and the filter the focus was not far off but now its no chance...
The focus is a really well built motor and its nice to drive and handles well for a front wheel drive motor...
Best of the hot hatches i would say...
The focus is a really well built motor and its nice to drive and handles well for a front wheel drive motor...
Best of the hot hatches i would say...
*cough* S3
05 June 2007, 03:18 AM
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WRX all the way!
I had a K reg... YES!!! K reg Wrx import with a full system and air filtter and Sti everything else nearly
Live in London and an ST was in front of me, Saw me coming so put on the heat...
It was not long till we both were at the lights and windows went down and an agree for a race was made!!!
So Waiting for the lights....
Bang they go green and were off...
Dame i didn't give it enough gas and the car is langing but Mr ST is putting so much Smoke out i dropped the cluth, rev's to sky high (F*£K it if im loseing this one) And bang up goes the cluth and the back of the scooby is pretty much touching the floor!
And were off... Ok i did not leave him all together to beging with but im pulling away!
1st
2nd!!!!!
Look at a car coming towards us from in front... It's the boys in bule!
On go there lights and they pull a U turn good enough for a Hollywood film! (Must of used the hand brake)
So here is the god bit!
Both of us aint stopping as this is lose eveything time, so im looking for somewere to turn.... There it is.... Full chant and the Scooby is round it Falt4 banging and squking and i look behind to see the ST try the same thing
He flys right pass brakes on and everything, smoking the wheels!!!
Don't know how he didn't hit the kerb on the other side of the road!
Boys in blue??? Don't know what happend to them?
I was shacking like a leaf and could not even drive after that! Parked the Scooby and made my way home in my other car that was parked were i use to leave the scooby (Locked up) Very slowly!!!
Had the fattest smile for days
Subaru all the way!!!! Now on my 3rd one
I had a K reg... YES!!! K reg Wrx import with a full system and air filtter and Sti everything else nearly
Live in London and an ST was in front of me, Saw me coming so put on the heat...
It was not long till we both were at the lights and windows went down and an agree for a race was made!!!
So Waiting for the lights....
Bang they go green and were off...
Dame i didn't give it enough gas and the car is langing but Mr ST is putting so much Smoke out i dropped the cluth, rev's to sky high (F*£K it if im loseing this one) And bang up goes the cluth and the back of the scooby is pretty much touching the floor!
And were off... Ok i did not leave him all together to beging with but im pulling away!
1st
2nd!!!!!
Look at a car coming towards us from in front... It's the boys in bule!
On go there lights and they pull a U turn good enough for a Hollywood film! (Must of used the hand brake)
So here is the god bit!
Both of us aint stopping as this is lose eveything time, so im looking for somewere to turn.... There it is.... Full chant and the Scooby is round it Falt4 banging and squking and i look behind to see the ST try the same thing
He flys right pass brakes on and everything, smoking the wheels!!!
Don't know how he didn't hit the kerb on the other side of the road!
Boys in blue??? Don't know what happend to them?
I was shacking like a leaf and could not even drive after that! Parked the Scooby and made my way home in my other car that was parked were i use to leave the scooby (Locked up) Very slowly!!!
Had the fattest smile for days
Subaru all the way!!!! Now on my 3rd one
06 June 2007, 05:12 PM
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When my ST just had Bluefin installed an 03 STI couldn't pulled away from me. Granted we were rolling otherwise the STI would have pulled away. The speed we got up to were high though.
Since then I have a new down pipe, sports cat, cat back, Wolf cold air induction system, Radtec intercooler and Level 3 remap which is 305bhp & 329lb/ft. From a rolling start this could suprise a STi. However comparing standard and modified is rather pointless.
I spent the day with a professional race car driver (Tim Harvey) at a press event at Rockingham yesterday and he was impressed with my car
Since then I have a new down pipe, sports cat, cat back, Wolf cold air induction system, Radtec intercooler and Level 3 remap which is 305bhp & 329lb/ft. From a rolling start this could suprise a STi. However comparing standard and modified is rather pointless.
I spent the day with a professional race car driver (Tim Harvey) at a press event at Rockingham yesterday and he was impressed with my car
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Hi just popped over from the FocusstOC.
There's alot of interesting posts and the topic of this thread is always causing debate.
The Focus ST has more to do with Volvo than ford. The engine, gearbox, clutch, ignition, air con etc etc are all volvo units. When I took my air box out and changed it to a Wolf item, the air box had Volvo written on it.
The torque the engine puts out is something a Impreza driver can only wish for. 300+ lbs through the front wheels sounds like a car that will torque steer you into the nearest tree. In reality it's totally different. I can't explain it but the car just can.
For £1500 you get the WR285 conversion. Rolling roaded at 291bhp and 315lbs.
Yes initially the scooby has it due to 4wd but then the ST just takes off. as said in the wet we don't have a chance though.
There's alot of interesting posts and the topic of this thread is always causing debate.
The Focus ST has more to do with Volvo than ford. The engine, gearbox, clutch, ignition, air con etc etc are all volvo units. When I took my air box out and changed it to a Wolf item, the air box had Volvo written on it.
The torque the engine puts out is something a Impreza driver can only wish for. 300+ lbs through the front wheels sounds like a car that will torque steer you into the nearest tree. In reality it's totally different. I can't explain it but the car just can.
For £1500 you get the WR285 conversion. Rolling roaded at 291bhp and 315lbs.
Yes initially the scooby has it due to 4wd but then the ST just takes off. as said in the wet we don't have a chance though.
06 June 2007, 06:45 PM
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Hi just popped over from the FocusstOC.
There's alot of interesting posts and the topic of this thread is always causing debate.
The Focus ST has more to do with Volvo than ford. The engine, gearbox, clutch, ignition, air con etc etc are all volvo units. When I took my air box out and changed it to a Wolf item, the air box had Volvo written on it.
The torque the engine puts out is something a Impreza driver can only wish for. 300+ lbs through the front wheels sounds like a car that will torque steer you into the nearest tree. In reality it's totally different. I can't explain it but the car just can.
For £1500 you get the WR285 conversion. Rolling roaded at 291bhp and 315lbs.
Yes initially the scooby has it due to 4wd but then the ST just takes off. as said in the wet we don't have a chance though.
There's alot of interesting posts and the topic of this thread is always causing debate.
The Focus ST has more to do with Volvo than ford. The engine, gearbox, clutch, ignition, air con etc etc are all volvo units. When I took my air box out and changed it to a Wolf item, the air box had Volvo written on it.
The torque the engine puts out is something a Impreza driver can only wish for. 300+ lbs through the front wheels sounds like a car that will torque steer you into the nearest tree. In reality it's totally different. I can't explain it but the car just can.
For £1500 you get the WR285 conversion. Rolling roaded at 291bhp and 315lbs.
Yes initially the scooby has it due to 4wd but then the ST just takes off. as said in the wet we don't have a chance though.
Ns04
06 June 2007, 06:55 PM
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seems to be the norm now that nearly all impreza's are 300bhp and above with alot around 350-400bhp and a few even 500bhp+, so i dont think any impreza driver is blown away by the st figures.
is the focus st at it's limits around 300bhp and similar torque...
is the focus st at it's limits around 300bhp and similar torque...
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06 June 2007, 06:59 PM
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You should have read my later post before posting your reply.
All Impreza's are more costly to run than their new opposition(except Evo's).
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All Impreza's are more costly to run than their new opposition(except Evo's).
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06 June 2007, 07:03 PM
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I very much doubt that nearly all Imprezas are 300bhp and above.
I would bet that the % of newage WRX's running over 300bhp would be fairly small.
A quick trawl through the Autotrader reveals most cars are standard with an exhaust mod at best.
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I would bet that the % of newage WRX's running over 300bhp would be fairly small.
A quick trawl through the Autotrader reveals most cars are standard with an exhaust mod at best.
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06 June 2007, 07:09 PM
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im sure there was a poll not long ago on here to see what bhp everyone was running i think 300bhp and above was the norm should find it with a search somewhre....
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It's quite simple to explain: people on here are enthusiasts: modifying cars is much more common is this group. This group sell their cars less frequently and not often in magazines like Autotrader as it's not specialist enough.
In the same way that most STs in autotrader are std and a good proportion of the ones on a ford forum will be modified.
As much as I like the ST, the simple fact is that if a car has to have its power reigned in in the first two gears, it has too much power for the chassis/drivetrain.
Ns04
In the same way that most STs in autotrader are std and a good proportion of the ones on a ford forum will be modified.
As much as I like the ST, the simple fact is that if a car has to have its power reigned in in the first two gears, it has too much power for the chassis/drivetrain.
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06 June 2007, 08:15 PM
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So sorry my mistake. I must have missed the bit where the poster said most Impreza's owned by most Scoobynet members are 300+ brake, not Imprezas in general.....
It's quite simple to explain: people on here are enthusiasts: modifying cars is much more common is this group. This group sell their cars less frequently and not often in magazines like Autotrader as it's not specialist enough.
In the same way that most STs in autotrader are std and a good proportion of the ones on a ford forum will be modified.
As much as I like the ST, the simple fact is that if a car has to have its power reigned in in the first two gears, it has too much power for the chassis/drivetrain.
Ns04
In the same way that most STs in autotrader are std and a good proportion of the ones on a ford forum will be modified.
As much as I like the ST, the simple fact is that if a car has to have its power reigned in in the first two gears, it has too much power for the chassis/drivetrain.
Ns04
06 June 2007, 08:25 PM
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It's quite simple to explain: people on here are enthusiasts: modifying cars is much more common is this group. This group sell their cars less frequently and not often in magazines like Autotrader as it's not specialist enough.
In the same way that most STs in autotrader are std and a good proportion of the ones on a ford forum will be modified.
As much as I like the ST, the simple fact is that if a car has to have its power reigned in in the first two gears, it has too much power for the chassis/drivetrain.
Ns04
In the same way that most STs in autotrader are std and a good proportion of the ones on a ford forum will be modified.
As much as I like the ST, the simple fact is that if a car has to have its power reigned in in the first two gears, it has too much power for the chassis/drivetrain.
Ns04
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There is a level where no chassis/drivetrain can fully deploy the power without certain intervention. I'm sure a Dodge Viper will rip its tyres to sheds in the first 3 gears if you're not careful with the throttle
I'd still have one of those! I just wouldn't be prepared to accept that compromise in control at the 300bhp level!Ns04
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Yep, I agree! Was very impressed. I used "Chassis/drivetrain" to accommodate the cars with RWD/4WD who have the "right" drivetrain for big bhp, but who's chassis lets them down and means that either a) they have to have their power reigned in, in the lower gears, or b) you can't/don't want to deploy full power.
There is a level where no chassis/drivetrain can fully deploy the power without certain intervention. I'm sure a Dodge Viper will rip its tyres to sheds in the first 3 gears if you're not careful with the throttle I'd still have one of those! I just wouldn't be prepared to accept that compromise in control at the 300bhp level!
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There is a level where no chassis/drivetrain can fully deploy the power without certain intervention. I'm sure a Dodge Viper will rip its tyres to sheds in the first 3 gears if you're not careful with the throttle
I'd still have one of those! I just wouldn't be prepared to accept that compromise in control at the 300bhp level!Ns04
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That's not to say it won't benefit from one.
As we know, with a few relatively simple mods, it can be improved very significantly!
With a chassis as good as the focus, it feels like it wants more power....unfortunately, the drivetrain becomes a limitation. Ford should make good on their Cosworth 4wd focus promise!
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06 June 2007, 08:49 PM
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Focus Cosworth, now that would be something 
Well, I think people tend to exagerate this to get "good driver" kudos! (not you!) Driven within its very high limits (i.e. how most people drive it 99% of the time) it's great. At the limit it understeers quite a bit.....that's about it! Put it this way, mine has 320bhp and it doesn't feel like it needs a chassis upgrade. I think that says it all.
That's not to say it won't benefit from one.
As we know, with a few relatively simple mods, it can be improved very significantly!
With a chassis as good as the focus, it feels like it wants more power....unfortunately, the drivetrain becomes a limitation. Ford should make good on their Cosworth 4wd focus promise!
NS04
That's not to say it won't benefit from one.
As we know, with a few relatively simple mods, it can be improved very significantly!
With a chassis as good as the focus, it feels like it wants more power....unfortunately, the drivetrain becomes a limitation. Ford should make good on their Cosworth 4wd focus promise!
NS04
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Well, I think people tend to exagerate this to get "good driver" kudos! (not you!) Driven within its very high limits (i.e. how most people drive it 99% of the time) it's great. At the limit it understeers quite a bit.....that's about it! Put it this way, mine has 320bhp and it doesn't feel like it needs a chassis upgrade. I think that says it all.
That's not to say it won't benefit from one.
As we know, with a few relatively simple mods, it can be improved very significantly!
With a chassis as good as the focus, it feels like it wants more power....unfortunately, the drivetrain becomes a limitation. Ford should make good on their Cosworth 4wd focus promise!
NS04
That's not to say it won't benefit from one.
As we know, with a few relatively simple mods, it can be improved very significantly!
With a chassis as good as the focus, it feels like it wants more power....unfortunately, the drivetrain becomes a limitation. Ford should make good on their Cosworth 4wd focus promise!
NS04
i'm due to get mine re-mapped Tuesday so i'll be able to let you know what 360ish feels like...got to take Friday afternoon and Monday off to finish it in time though
