Felix.

Fine. So if I see two ‘dodgey looking’ lads walking around an estate at 3.30 in the morning I’ll just leave them be. Hopefully they won’t burgle you house. And if they do, don’t moan when I say ‘Ah yes, I saw these two half an hour ago, but I didn’t stop them’

How’s this perverting the course of justice…..?

He must be involved in another case for PCJ. If there is any offence, it is a very week theft, but that’s it. Tell him to get a solicitor.

Felix.

Its all to do with not recording crimes or reclassifying crimes as something else to make Mr Mallon look good. There is no way you can half crime. What did all the heroin addicts do – suddenly stop overnight…. This is why they brough in NCRS (National Crime Recording Standards)



For the record – Mr Mallon was not the only one to be investigated; there were loads of people who were sacked under Mr Mallon. Lancet took so long because Mr Mallon forced and investigation into Lancet itself. And all the time he was on full pay and he kept himself in the public eye. Another reason was that the investigation involved persons from the drug world who are obviously hard to get hold of. It’s alleged that Mallon was one of the biggest dealers in Middlesbrough (I of course can’t possibly comment)

And what has Mr Mallon done since he has taken office……. Since he controls the police budget and the police authority, he hasn’t continued with his huge crime reduction rate. His popularity is dropping rapidly in Middlesbrough

Felix.

OMG I didn’t know that. Well that changes everything. Well the police should take a back seat on this and go around on space hoppers.

Talking further about liberties – I just found out that R2D2 is not real and there was a man inside it all the time



Or she could have been phoning to say she was being attacked, or a domestic was going on, child cruelty, officers already in the flat, drugs raid, sudden death………

Paul3446

Originally Posted by scrappydoo
the other day i pulled upto a junction and looked up at a CCTV camera turned completly the wrong way from town and looking directly into a young womans bedroom and it was active cos it was adjusting every so slightly. OHHH IM SO GLAD WE HAVE THEM THOUGH, INVADING OUR PRIVACY LIKE THAT. THAT GIRL COULD OF BEEN A TERRORIST FOR ALL WE KNOW!! GOOD PRO-ACTIVE STANCE THERE MR CCTV-MAN..


Spot the post straight from the "Big Book of Urban Myths"

swampster

iTrader: (1)

If there's any evidence to suggest why Police shouldn't have more powers because they're just likely to get abused..
Police send four police officers to tackle boy, 11, who called schoolmate 'gay' | the Daily Mail

If they can do this kind of thing now... just imagine with all sorts of new powers. This kid might have been on the next non-stop to Guantanamo!

It's this bit makes me laugh...
Why the hell was there the need to take her fingerprints and DNA sample?

Felix.

Of course. Because Billy Burglar always walks down the same street at the same time wearing a black and white hoped t-shirt and carrying a bag with ‘SWAG’ written on it.

And obviously you wont want us to stop him until he’s done something…..

scoobynutta555

Yeah ok mate

BBC NEWS | England | Merseyside | Peeping tom CCTV workers jailed

Felix.

And of course the papers report the full facts of the case. The girl has obviously done something more as there is no offence or refusing to sit next to someone.

Fingerprints and DNA are taken from all people who are arrested.

Jonno_johnson

Ok i can understand that, the point i was making which i should have made more clear was during normal daytime, if i was walking around at half three in the morning and it was obvious i was not coming home from a night on the beer clubbing and i was stopped i would have no problem with that, if i was stopped just walking to the shop during the day then the problem begins.


No idea why they have charged him with it, but he is definatly charged with it, they also have charged him with theft by finding aswell, i was speaking to him about it last night, hes up at court next week, and is worried he might get jail time due to the perverting the course of justice charge, ive told him i think it will get dropped sooner or later, but he is worried about it.

Hoppy

I'm with you Felix, and not with all the daydreamers. The world has changed. Crime of all sorts is a major worry. Fact.

All this tosh about a police state and erosion of freedoms is purely hypothetical. This has never been a 'free country' and never will be. We all need some social controls.

The cost of policing Britain to the extent some people fear is prohibative, but if we can make present resources more efficient, I'm all for that.

Richard.

Felix.

Jonno

But why should the time of day make any difference. Most burglaries happen during daylight hours between 0900 – 1500. If you can see my point about stopping them during the night, then given the same set of circumstances, why should anything change for the daytime.

Depending on his history, your mate shouldn’t get any jail time. I still don’t see how this PCJ. It does seem wrong what has happened, and if it was me I would have knocked on his door, said thank you for my case and left it at that.

Jonno_johnson

The reason the officer gave for pcj charge was that he could have looked in the case and removed documents, or saw facts about someone, i know he never removed any dcouments, as hes told me he never and i cant see why he would lie to me, about that. I still think it will get dropped at some stage, as surely there is no case to answer imo.


As for stopping people during the daytime, how can you tell who is dodgey or not?

boomer

Taking Liberties (since 1997)



mb

scrappydoo

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boomer

We have heard it from the horses mouth - don't trust ANY crime statistics, 'cos they are all fiddled

You need to be very careful saying things like that!!

Is it??

mb
p.s. We might disagree on things, but i am very impressed by your tenacity

Leslie

I cant agree with that Hoppy. The real concern is that if the authorities are given such powers, it will be a corrupting influence and not only will we have to be made to feel as though we can be under suspicion at the drop of a hat, but it is also yet another step to the complete suppression of all our personal freedoms. Those powers will be further increased in time and eventually you could find yourself being banged up just for uttering a word out of turn. Rather like that elderly man at the NL party conference who was bundled out by a pair of thugs and then held by the police under the prevention of terrorism act!

Our freedoms are worth so much more, especially in these days of corrupt and self seeking politicians, that we cannot sensibly allow them to be whittled away. Let those who made us a major terrorist target for their own purposes by devious means find a better way to protect the public without making eventual slaves to the ruling administrators of us all.

Les

Hoppy

Les I absolutely understand where you're coming from, and I don't like where we're heading, either

However, it's a choice between better control of the social problems we already have, and the purely speculative problems of implementing that control in the future. It must be done carefully, and democratically.

At the moment, we are stuck with a police force faced with a mass of criminal offences, but without the proper measures in place to manage them directly. That's why we get the rules bent by the police etc, because they don'y have specific authority. So they make something up, as per your example.

Simple, clear and strict rules are much better than some of the vague and bendy ones we have at present.

Richard.

swampster

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Oh yes of course she must have done something more for them to release her without charge..

I'll bet they didn't remove her DNA details from the database, just like the hordes of innocent people who are going to get rounded up for "corroboration" of the details they provided when questioned as they were going about their business perfectly innocently!

pwhittle

that's been happening for years anyway. We used to get stopped as kids, just for sitting down chatting. They'd ask where we lived and move us on. This wasn't AFAIK allowed under any law at the time, but kids are hardly likely to kick up a fuss.

Leslie

I think the law as it stands is already adequate for dealing with the problems. In many ways the police are defeated however by the Human Rights Act nonsense and also the non punishments meted out by the PC judicial system and their PC self seeking senior officers.

Les