It isn't just about all out power or traction. He would be able to break later, hold more speed through most of the bends and would be better in quick direction changes unless the evo was very powerful

Ax at std 708kgs with 240 bhp is about 340bhp per ton....std evo weight (evo 5 I think in the vid) would need 450bhp + to get the same power to weight so the extra traction out of bends wouldn't count for much and you would struggle to catch the AX.....but as said in the wet it would be a bit easier for the Evo

Chris

 

why don't you just give up and agree? Please, your comments are making you sound a tad stupid and blinkered...

 

Here you go

YouTube - AXO16V vs Skyline=

The same car taking a Skyline, in the wet, uphill. By the way its a supercharged Citroen AX with 240bhp weighing 630kg, not a Saxo.

Have you ever heard of an LSD?

 

The car belongs to TAM - a pretty handy drivers as well as a bit of a nutter
Shame I never got to pitch my 300bhp turbo'd AX against him.

 

Mmm the Skyline looks like he was caught behind the other and possibly chose not to overtake, not say the Ax isn't very quick, it more than likly is quicker than the skyline, but just watching a bit of video like that really doen't show anything tbh.. there are too many variables, slow driver, not wanting to push at that time and all the other things... if yo watch video of me on track following subaru's about it looks like they are doing ok and that they are as quick but in reality they'd be way way behind...

 

My point is not about the AX being quicker than either the Evo or Skyline, just that high power FWD cars when properly setup can just be as quick as anything else, including 4WD.

They are more fun as well.

 

Yeah, I am with the others on this, look like a carefully driven Skyline against a guy in an AX with nothing to lose!
He looks like he closes on a Corsa under braking!

But I agree, a well sorted FWD car can be just as quick on TIGHT roads. I had loads of fun chasing a friend's EVO 7 in my Clio 172 a few years back. As long as he didn't get a free straight run I was all over him!

 

I like that Civic.


(Just in case people had forgotten what the thread was about!!)

 

..and starting to like it even more

–³ŒÀ | CIVIC TYPE R | INTRODUCTION

 

no, i think your the one that has a blinkered view on this, im not going to just roll over and agree with u, im not going to be part of your flock of sheep!

Give me some real proof, ie same driver, etc

 

Wasnt the kit-car 2wd Xsara faster against 4WD WRC cars a few years back
case closed

 

No...can't accept that. Must be the same driver at the exact same time/conditions/amount of food in his gut before you will be believed

Chris

 

Civic looks great..

 

Hey Guys..

If you like the look of that honda civic then there is a good chance you will love its bigger brother - Civic Mugen Dominator.. With a 300bhp supercharged lump im sure it will be entertaining !! haha.

Cheers - Andy

 

I give up...

 

I need to stop looking at pics of that JDM Civic otherwise I can see me blowing 24 big ones in the summer.......I'm talking money b4 anyone comes up with a smart alec retort

A Black one with the dark alloys and selected Mugen parts would look the danglies...... Although I think you could probably get a similar effect car a la second hand dc5 route may be ?

Food for thought anyway

 

Perhaps

 

Nice car Cyber!!

 

it dont come in black
knobends on civic type r forum dont like it
seriously think this is the new car for me

 

Looking good Mugen'd

 

The 'ends of the ****' as you say on the Type R forum love it as it happens .

 

Damn no Black..........may be the silver then

Seriously guys I gotta start talking myself out of this one may be I should look at spec-c's..........Ooops note to self (I gotta stop spending money I don't have)

 

auto express
Honda Civic | First Drives | Car Reviews | Auto Express

 

They know that already . RWD (BMW) and 4WD (Audi) was pretty much penalty-weighted out of existance as otherwise they'd romp away from the rest of the field (as indeed they did).

FWD is all about packaging, i.e. cost. Nothing more, nothing less (although the safety element of understeer vs oversteer may get trotted out sometimes).

I'm not saying you can't have a decent fwd setup, however it's fundamentally flawed when compared to decent rwd and 4wd.

Next!

 

Are the BMW's in this years BTCC weighted out?

 

Correct

 

That looks fantastic!

 

The mini was all about packaging, but it still won the Monte Carlo rally

 

£11900 price tag ? If thats the case I'll get out my wallet