Stoptech big brake kits
I have driven an impreza with these fitted and there was no clicking noise at all.........and as allready stated they do not use a floating disc as i had allready asked Paul this question after reading your post a while ago.
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Fair comments by all 
This is after all what a forum is for.
But if anyone can sort mine out then therein lies a challenge!
I have already spent pver £200 trying to get rid of the noise, with new hardware, pins, springs, etc, etc and it comes back no matter what.
Add to that the pad knockoff i get because of the movement of the disc, and then you have what amounts to imho a cr4p setup.
So yes, if anyone would care to sort me this out, then feel free to comment.
Cus as far as i am concerned, they can go in the bin.
This is after all what a forum is for.But if anyone can sort mine out then therein lies a challenge!
I have already spent pver £200 trying to get rid of the noise, with new hardware, pins, springs, etc, etc and it comes back no matter what.
Add to that the pad knockoff i get because of the movement of the disc, and then you have what amounts to imho a cr4p setup.
So yes, if anyone would care to sort me this out, then feel free to comment.
Cus as far as i am concerned, they can go in the bin.
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oh btw, go read this about the FLOATING disc system that StopTech uses.
StopTech : Balanced Brake Upgrades
StopTech : Balanced Brake Upgrades
StopTech : Balanced Brake Upgrades
StopTech : Balanced Brake Upgrades
The system used by Stoptech isn't strictly speaking 'Floating' as they only allow radial expansion and not linear as per a fully floating design, so it's hard to see how this could be the cause of the clicking on full lock..?
Why don't you give Paul a ring (isn't that far from you) I'm sure he'd be able to get to the bottom of it, everyone's a winner.
I know what it's like if you have a problem with something that can't be sorted, but are you absolutely sure it's your brakes and not something else..? The fact that it only happens on full lock would suggest so IMHO.
Do you get this noise from both sides and on both full locks..?
Finally, maybe a modded Subaru just isn't for you as it seems whatever you've had done you've not been happy with. Just a thought..!
J
Why don't you give Paul a ring (isn't that far from you) I'm sure he'd be able to get to the bottom of it, everyone's a winner.
I know what it's like if you have a problem with something that can't be sorted, but are you absolutely sure it's your brakes and not something else..? The fact that it only happens on full lock would suggest so IMHO.
Do you get this noise from both sides and on both full locks..?
Finally, maybe a modded Subaru just isn't for you as it seems whatever you've had done you've not been happy with. Just a thought..!
J
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I can see what you are saying, but I am only quoting what StopTech call it jasonius! So if they say its floating, then that is why I have said that too.
It is defintely the discs as I have had the problem removed before, for it to only come back over time, and also via various emails with StopTech, this is a known problem that can occur with this kit and the design of the WRX hub. Its a long email, and I wont bore you putting all the details here, but trust me on this one, it is the discs. Now as for the hub helping to cause this (again another email), my wheel bearings have been looked at several times and are ok so there is nothing else to do there. I refuse to buy more hardware for them, as last time it cost me £200 and i aint gonna keep spending that, for the noise to return.
So to sum up, you want to buy some, go for it. They do brake, and they brake hard. I can recommend the BHP XPS pads, they are better imho than the Ceramic compound ones i did have that came with my kit, which were the Axxis Ultimate (now renamed Axxis ULT). For me the ULT were not getting hot enough, long enough and used to glaze over too often for my driving style.
Details for those can be found here
StopTech : High Performance Brake Pads
As for your comments on me and my car, you are talking pure pish.
What i am annoyed with, is NOT the car, but the mods I have chosen, so I am actually mad at my stupid purchases as I now know I should/could have done better. Even knowing the other choices I still feel I have chosen the wrong mods, thats all.
But thanks for the advice, and tbh I may just have a chat with Zen and see what, if anything can be done about it.
Oh, just another quick thought, you buy mine for a few hundred quid, and see what you think to the noise? Would certainly prove a point though as to whether its my car or not eh? lol.
It is defintely the discs as I have had the problem removed before, for it to only come back over time, and also via various emails with StopTech, this is a known problem that can occur with this kit and the design of the WRX hub. Its a long email, and I wont bore you putting all the details here, but trust me on this one, it is the discs. Now as for the hub helping to cause this (again another email), my wheel bearings have been looked at several times and are ok so there is nothing else to do there. I refuse to buy more hardware for them, as last time it cost me £200 and i aint gonna keep spending that, for the noise to return.
So to sum up, you want to buy some, go for it. They do brake, and they brake hard. I can recommend the BHP XPS pads, they are better imho than the Ceramic compound ones i did have that came with my kit, which were the Axxis Ultimate (now renamed Axxis ULT). For me the ULT were not getting hot enough, long enough and used to glaze over too often for my driving style.
Details for those can be found here
StopTech : High Performance Brake Pads
As for your comments on me and my car, you are talking pure pish.
What i am annoyed with, is NOT the car, but the mods I have chosen, so I am actually mad at my stupid purchases as I now know I should/could have done better. Even knowing the other choices I still feel I have chosen the wrong mods, thats all.
But thanks for the advice, and tbh I may just have a chat with Zen and see what, if anything can be done about it.
Oh, just another quick thought, you buy mine for a few hundred quid, and see what you think to the noise? Would certainly prove a point though as to whether its my car or not eh? lol.
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I have never had a clicking problem, and one of my customer cars has had them on for years and he's had no problems before I'd even heard of stoptech.
Pad knockoff is a problem with any big brake setup, but it's a symptom of anything other than the brakes usually. Wheel bearings are a common problem, but I've also had issues (on standard 4 pots) with distorted hub flanges caused by a botched wheel bearing replacement.
In my experience, the only way to truly know if a wheel bearing is suspect, is to replace it. On my race car we had a little pad knockoff after riding the kerbs, but track use also makes it worse as it puts heat into the hub which changes the bearing preload. It may be the only way to really solve it is either go to 05-> hubs or fit anti knockoff springs behind the pistons.
As far as pad choice, the Axxiss ULT is probably good for about 50% of people, and in Europe they are the favoured choice for classic impreza's. but for hard track use they don't have enough bite, however for a road car they can be very good.
Currently I run Pagid RS14 pads in the race car, the european "crew" using stoptech favour the BHP XPS as the next step up from the Axxis pads, better than the DS2500 by some margin.
MaDaSS,
I would be keen to see your car and get to the bottom of your problem. Stoptech brakes are something I believe in, otherwise I wouldn't sell them, and certainly wouldn't use them on our race car. Can you please let me know by email what you have had done so far, and maybe we can get you booked in to sort it out.
Paul
Pad knockoff is a problem with any big brake setup, but it's a symptom of anything other than the brakes usually. Wheel bearings are a common problem, but I've also had issues (on standard 4 pots) with distorted hub flanges caused by a botched wheel bearing replacement.
In my experience, the only way to truly know if a wheel bearing is suspect, is to replace it. On my race car we had a little pad knockoff after riding the kerbs, but track use also makes it worse as it puts heat into the hub which changes the bearing preload. It may be the only way to really solve it is either go to 05-> hubs or fit anti knockoff springs behind the pistons.
As far as pad choice, the Axxiss ULT is probably good for about 50% of people, and in Europe they are the favoured choice for classic impreza's. but for hard track use they don't have enough bite, however for a road car they can be very good.
Currently I run Pagid RS14 pads in the race car, the european "crew" using stoptech favour the BHP XPS as the next step up from the Axxis pads, better than the DS2500 by some margin.
MaDaSS,
I would be keen to see your car and get to the bottom of your problem. Stoptech brakes are something I believe in, otherwise I wouldn't sell them, and certainly wouldn't use them on our race car. Can you please let me know by email what you have had done so far, and maybe we can get you booked in to sort it out.
Paul
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355s
Sorry for delay in rectifying my pricing mistake on the 355s:
Retail price will be £1320 +vat = £1551 inc.
Groupbuy price will be £1191.49 +vat = £1400 inc.
The best way to find out if this kit will fit on your car, is to download the wheel fitment template:
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...ents/ST355.pdf
And then follow the instructions here:
StopTech : Balanced Brake Upgrades
The same can be done for the other sizes of kit, please see this page of our website:
Zen Performance - Braking
Cheers
Liz @ Zen
Retail price will be £1320 +vat = £1551 inc.
Groupbuy price will be £1191.49 +vat = £1400 inc.
The best way to find out if this kit will fit on your car, is to download the wheel fitment template:
http://www.zenperformance.co.uk/cms_...ents/ST355.pdf
And then follow the instructions here:
StopTech : Balanced Brake Upgrades
The same can be done for the other sizes of kit, please see this page of our website:
Zen Performance - Braking
Cheers
Liz @ Zen
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To give you an idea, the retail on the 328 rear kit is the same as the front kit, so not cheap. Realistically, there are better value ways to improve your braking at the rear.
Guy's looks like I'm going to have to pull out due to personal reasons..
I'm happy to still oversee this GB if nobody objects and there's no reason that my withdrawal should prevent it going ahead (provided the numbers are OK)..!
Really, really sorry about this..
Sincerely, Jason
I'm happy to still oversee this GB if nobody objects and there's no reason that my withdrawal should prevent it going ahead (provided the numbers are OK)..!
Really, really sorry about this..
Sincerely, Jason
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I have never had a clicking problem, and one of my customer cars has had them on for years and he's had no problems before I'd even heard of stoptech.
Pad knockoff is a problem with any big brake setup, but it's a symptom of anything other than the brakes usually. Wheel bearings are a common problem, but I've also had issues (on standard 4 pots) with distorted hub flanges caused by a botched wheel bearing replacement.
In my experience, the only way to truly know if a wheel bearing is suspect, is to replace it. On my race car we had a little pad knockoff after riding the kerbs, but track use also makes it worse as it puts heat into the hub which changes the bearing preload. It may be the only way to really solve it is either go to 05-> hubs or fit anti knockoff springs behind the pistons.
As far as pad choice, the Axxiss ULT is probably good for about 50% of people, and in Europe they are the favoured choice for classic impreza's. but for hard track use they don't have enough bite, however for a road car they can be very good.
Currently I run Pagid RS14 pads in the race car, the european "crew" using stoptech favour the BHP XPS as the next step up from the Axxis pads, better than the DS2500 by some margin.
MaDaSS,
I would be keen to see your car and get to the bottom of your problem. Stoptech brakes are something I believe in, otherwise I wouldn't sell them, and certainly wouldn't use them on our race car. Can you please let me know by email what you have had done so far, and maybe we can get you booked in to sort it out.
Paul
Pad knockoff is a problem with any big brake setup, but it's a symptom of anything other than the brakes usually. Wheel bearings are a common problem, but I've also had issues (on standard 4 pots) with distorted hub flanges caused by a botched wheel bearing replacement.
In my experience, the only way to truly know if a wheel bearing is suspect, is to replace it. On my race car we had a little pad knockoff after riding the kerbs, but track use also makes it worse as it puts heat into the hub which changes the bearing preload. It may be the only way to really solve it is either go to 05-> hubs or fit anti knockoff springs behind the pistons.
As far as pad choice, the Axxiss ULT is probably good for about 50% of people, and in Europe they are the favoured choice for classic impreza's. but for hard track use they don't have enough bite, however for a road car they can be very good.
Currently I run Pagid RS14 pads in the race car, the european "crew" using stoptech favour the BHP XPS as the next step up from the Axxis pads, better than the DS2500 by some margin.
MaDaSS,
I would be keen to see your car and get to the bottom of your problem. Stoptech brakes are something I believe in, otherwise I wouldn't sell them, and certainly wouldn't use them on our race car. Can you please let me know by email what you have had done so far, and maybe we can get you booked in to sort it out.
Paul
I say this because i have spent £200 on new pins, nuts, those special sprung washers, basically all the hardware needed for both discs/bells.
This lasted days before it came back, i had a major mardy with the garage and just walked away as i could not be assed with it.
StopTech support just say 'you get that on there' basically.
The thing is, when i swapped my pads for the XPS ones, the clicking went away. So i am to thinking, that the extra thickness of pad is enough to stop the movement of the disc/bell and hence no click. Now my pads are worn down, the disc/bell can move again, and the noise is back with a vengeance.
Anyhow, the XPS pads are to me superb, they really are.
Just the two things annoy me, the clicking and the pad knockoff.
Apart from that, i can honestly say i would not change them.
They do brake like a fcuka when you stand on em! lol.
I will phone you and have a chat.
Again, thanks for the offer
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Bell mount kit, £49.95 each, two off. £99.90
Labour to fit 1.5 hours, £71.25
all PLUS VAT.
So, total to me, £201.10
Now you see why i was crabbit? Unreal.
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Obviously people can only go by their own experiences.
I have the 328x28 kit fitted and its excellent, combined with steel braided hoses and decent fluid.
Sharp enough to use on the road to get me to a track, then stand on the brakes all day, after prolong abuse they do drone quite a bit, 1st track day, there was a bit of shudder through the pedal, but is no longer the case.
These will defo instill confidence in you, and they don't go off, as my standard 4 pots used to after abotu 20 mins on track.
I have the 328x28 kit fitted and its excellent, combined with steel braided hoses and decent fluid.
Sharp enough to use on the road to get me to a track, then stand on the brakes all day, after prolong abuse they do drone quite a bit, 1st track day, there was a bit of shudder through the pedal, but is no longer the case.
These will defo instill confidence in you, and they don't go off, as my standard 4 pots used to after abotu 20 mins on track.
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Obviously people can only go by their own experiences.
I have the 328x28 kit fitted and its excellent, combined with steel braided hoses and decent fluid.
Sharp enough to use on the road to get me to a track, then stand on the brakes all day, after prolong abuse they do drone quite a bit, 1st track day, there was a bit of shudder through the pedal, but is no longer the case.
These will defo instill confidence in you, and they don't go off, as my standard 4 pots used to after abotu 20 mins on track.
I have the 328x28 kit fitted and its excellent, combined with steel braided hoses and decent fluid.
Sharp enough to use on the road to get me to a track, then stand on the brakes all day, after prolong abuse they do drone quite a bit, 1st track day, there was a bit of shudder through the pedal, but is no longer the case.
These will defo instill confidence in you, and they don't go off, as my standard 4 pots used to after abotu 20 mins on track.
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