Exactly, The UK is where i live and where i chose to bring up my kids, it used to be a lot better than it is now, no rose tinted glasses being worn either.

We are not (yet) a third world country
We are supposed to be a wealthy civilised western society yet some do not act like that.

Yes the media will focus n the bad things but they have a lot to work with!

I am disgusted with some of the things i am reading these days.

Stop drugs getting in, stop guns and criminals getting in as well.

teach and educate and get some respect back. that's not just schools, thats all of us and especially parents!

Punish offenders hard and start to protect law abiding society instead of the other way around.

blow off the european human rights restriants that are constantly used to inpede the UK's laws and procecuting of it to the full.

 

What you say about the armed services is totally wrong and I think you are just prepared to believe a rather strong but misplaced and probably biased imagination. There is no room for mindless robots in the modern Services.

Our present society, which has been dragged down to the gutter, is I believe a deliberate result of the policies of people like those pictured by UB and their egregious self seeking cronies. It is another method of maintaining power as is also the policy of employing vast numbers of people by the authorities thus effectively buying votes from those who want to keep their sinecures in existence.

I foresee the loss of control of criminal behaviour, not far off it at the moment in fact, and I fear for the future safety of moderate law abiding people in the not too distant future.

The destruction of the proper family ethic, engineered by these tossers, which used to safeguard and bring children up in a decent civilised manner, will lead to even worse people to produce the next generation. We can only hope it has not gone too far already for recovery, but I have my doubts.

Les

 

i can't miss out on sharing my tuppence worth here ...

what is wrong with this country? here goes:

- education is failing our children. hamstrung by centralised targets, political correctness and social engineering, teachers struggle to teach the the basics of manners, respect, the importance of knowledge and learning and the difference beteeen right and wrong. authority in the classroom is vanishing; the tail is now wagging the dog with wholly predictable results.

- parenting is failing our children. falling education standards over decades have produced a generation of parents who neither know nor care about what it takes to bring up a child.

- business is failing our children. the exploitation by consumer businesses of 'pester power' has undermined parental authority and is making it that much harder.

- law and order is failing our country. the deterrence value of punishment by the courts has been dismantled; targets, bureaucracy, political correctness and pointless experimentation has shorn the police of its ability to enforce the law; despite there being more officers than ever before, they aren't on the street doing the job in anything like the numbers they should/could be.

- government is failing our country. decades of under-investment; decades of poor spending decisions;a words-not-deeds attitude; poor legislation; self-serving career politicians without conviction; civil service/political ineptitude; devolution of key decisions to an unelected, corrupt quango called the EU; a total lack of responsibility and accountability has created an environment of total inertia topped off with a leadership vacuum. government today is sclerotic and paralysed.

- relationships are failing this country. successive governments have stripped away all incentives for marriage in the pursuit of an 'anything goes' attitude that sets neither standards nor an aspirational code of social morality.

it's not just blair's fault - though his crowd have made things undeniably worse in just a decade - it's forty years of largely timid and misdirected government that has done much to unpick the stitches that hold our society together.

is it a lost cause? no. will it be addressed? unknown.

what would i suggest? for starters ...

- repeal the EU human rights legislation: it's flawed and is being exploited by criminals and their lawyers in a way that totally undermines public faith in the judiciary.

- restore the primacy of the judiciary; recalibrate sentencing to fit the crime; put the victim, not the criminal, first.

- restore teachers' authority in the classroom; restore discipline in the classroom; remove trouble-makers from the classroom and teach them in special schools; teach the basics of literacy, numeracy, behaviour and social responsibility.

- free the police service from the bureaucratic nightmare it is now trapped in; make constabulary chiefs accountable to - and selectable by - the local elecorate. they are officers of the law - not social workers, administrators nor a medium for liberal kite flying by politicians.

- support the institution of marriage and the family through a modernised system of tax breaks; incentivise good parenting and good parenting skills.

- decentralise government to localised decision making. thin localised government works; fat centralised government doesn't. fact.

- make voting in general elections compulsory but give people the opportunity to cast their vote for "none of the above" to keep MPs in touch with both policy and public.

- the only lawyers in the government should be the attorney general and his or her department. lawyers make universally pi55-poor MPs who can't read a balance sheet and who have little or no perception of what life is like in the real world. but they're very good at weasel words and specious, spastic argument.

oh dear. i've bored myself rigid....

 

^^^^ Way too long a post......

 

i agree.

 

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"heavy night?"

"no, migraine"

"german bird was she?"

 

and teach our brain-dead teenagers how to fight properly and use weapons?
yeah, that'll work...

and law or not, if anyone caned my daughter I'd beat them round the head with a scaffold pole.

'caning never did me any harm' is the usual flawed arguement. It may not adversly effect everyone, but then neither does 'guns are cool' hip-hop.

3. would be interesting though...

 

Armed Forces training teached much more than that. It teaches discipline, to respect fellow members of society and those you live amongst, encourages fitness, cleanliness, boosts confidence, gives people a chance to disciver who they really are under pressure - this list is a long one.

 

National Service is definately the way to go. Anyone who has watched Bad Lads Army on ITV can see the differences it can make in a few weeks and those who have taken part have always had several people signing up for full service after instead of pursuing a life on the dole.

Apart from that reppeal the human rights bill is a good one, it is a joke as it stands.

Also, no job? Here's one. Make the workshy get benefits for work done, cleaning public toilets or whatever. If they don't like it they can get their own job. Likewise, can't speak english? No benefits then.

5t.

 

Maybe, where it works, but there's a hugely disproportionate number of rough sleepers and drug adicts who are ex-forces. And I'm not talking media hype, I mean real data, and talking to real people. Shame those in power never bother.

Loads of people say national service should be brought back, and I'm not saying there isn't place for it, but I haven't heard anyone say how this would work, how it would sit alongside getting kids to stay at school, who would pay for it, what would kids do / learn? This is the interesting stuff, not just assuming it would fix societies problems (it wouldn't stop so many people being terrible parents).

Road charging sounds a good idea until you actually think about the details.

 

"Limp wristed sally's"

 

I totally agree with all you have put there (except your last sentence!). All I could think of to add would be that I feel the current (and any Labour) Govt. are perpetuating a dependancy culture with people, in terms of benefits, jobs, etc. This is wrong IMO.

Very well said, although I have never heard of the word sclerotic before.

Although some of your recent'ish posts have been very right wing, even for me, this all makes very good sense and may not solve all the problems, but I feel would go an awful long way to.

Asif

 

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good for you & thanks.

you're bang on the nail about the dependency culture (and the bureaucracy culture too): it's excessive and what's more, looks like cynical vote-buying by the back door. i mean, 668,000 extra civil servant paper-pushers in 10 years? makes the tory's westminster gerrymandering scandal from the 80s look amaterish.

very right wing? no that's extremist, bunker mentality territory and deeply unattractive. i'm just a conviction conservative fed up with the carnage caused by a succession of soggy, guilt-ridden metrosexuals, chancers and autocratic proto-stalinists. tends to make me bark like the permanently irate dog i am. but that's just because there's so much now that seems very utterly out of whack, unfair and in breach of common sense ...

 

Agree with you and Paul H.
Nothings ever been perfect. Crime against children etc has always happened.
BUT THIS IS NOT ROSE TINTED SPECTICALS. I have seen Britain get worse infront of my eyes over the past 15 years. The social fabric has gone. The family unit is very weak - when you compare it to most other European societies and many problems can be traced indirectly back to this.

Steve

 

Agree totaly Kiwi
I would love to run a boot camp in a bleak part of wales
For these yobs that have had no direction or discipline. (not totaly their fault)
However I cant see why these people havent the intelligence to work out that they actually have the opportunity to make something of themselves in our society - which many people in the world dont. Its like they are pissing all over their freedom. I think alot of it is down to insecure low self esteam.

You would have to totaly break the f__kers reduce them to tears.
And then rebuild them with the qualities you outline above - with a big dose of respect thrown in.

Of course this will never happen in this day and age - but I do strongly believe this course of action would make a huge difference.

God I sound like a 72 year old retired major with a wooden leg LOL

 

You would be treating the symptoms and not the cause though. I would suggest a similar boot camp for parents too. That is where we all get our discipline and outlook initially. One can argue about nurture versus nature but I firmly believe that it all starts at home. Parents who themselves are uncouth, ill mannered and lazy will pass these traits on to their offspring. Discipline and manners must be instilled by the parents first and foremost.

 

spot on maz

the worrying thing is the seed has been sown, the kind of parent you speak of is in abundance in this country there sowing bad seeds all over the place, and this nanny state protects and makes allowences for them.

time to get tough ............no more bull shi t.

pc brigade/nanny braiwashed fantacists at the helm what hope is there?

 

There is always hope, even Pandora's box contained hope. We certainly need a Government who is prepared to be a lot more selfish for the interests of their electorate. Screw Europe and screw the US put our own country and our own people first with some sensible policies and directives. Then perhaps we wil have the Great back in Britain.

 

Make th eparents responsible for any crime the kids commit. then have some sort of "hard labour" set up for bad kids. show them the error of their ways early in life. Like been woken up at 6am every day during the holidays and weekend and been made to clean streets etc.

 

Indeed there is; and to this we must cling to....or else we lose.

 

lose? maybe you could have said that 10 years ago. Its lost now . way past the point of no return. I hear gun fire on the streets and see no hope in th eeyes of the UK youth.


I love action !!

 

Calm down, son. It's really not so bad. I never encounter these challenges of which you speak.

Perhaps you should knock around with tidy people!

 

We are all to blame, end of story.

We let things get to this point. If we were not so gutless nowadays we would take matters into our own hands and sort this crap out.

But we are too afraid.............

Therefore I say:

"Hasta la Vitória Siempre!"

 

you tell me

PM me

 

wasnt it to do with that rumour about Sarah sent by pm a few months ago?

 

Parenting.

 

If you persist in making posts like that, people might even suspect you of being a tree hugging PC Plonker!

Les

 

Nothing wrong with the country....just a few twisted individuals living here.
Yve

 

It's the twisted individuals in power who are partly to blame.

 

It's far more than a few, as well as that many of the institution of this country are rotten to the core with ineptitude and Labour policies.