3rd Teenager shot dead in South London
15 February 2007, 12:00 PM
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Since Labour made owning Handguns illegal in the Uk, gun related crime has gone up
Banning such weapons only fuelled the crime gangs to flood the streets with more illegal weapons to profit from such activity
“It’s almost like telling a child no to sweets, you know its only gonna make them want the sweets more”
I’ve been around firearms since the age of 4 (almost 28 now), Parents have been registered firearms dealers for 20+ years (Father died), YES - they are dangerous in the wrong hands!
Handguns were made illegal by Labour after the dunblane incident, however what they didn’t reveal were all the hidden facts about Thomas Hamilton, the police knew he was unstable & had mental health problems, however they still granted him a Firearms license, WTF? If the police had done their jobs right, the kids would still be alive, and the rise from making said weapons illegal would not be happening
Rant over……….
Banning such weapons only fuelled the crime gangs to flood the streets with more illegal weapons to profit from such activity
“It’s almost like telling a child no to sweets, you know its only gonna make them want the sweets more”
I’ve been around firearms since the age of 4 (almost 28 now), Parents have been registered firearms dealers for 20+ years (Father died), YES - they are dangerous in the wrong hands!
Handguns were made illegal by Labour after the dunblane incident, however what they didn’t reveal were all the hidden facts about Thomas Hamilton, the police knew he was unstable & had mental health problems, however they still granted him a Firearms license, WTF? If the police had done their jobs right, the kids would still be alive, and the rise from making said weapons illegal would not be happening
Rant over……….
15 February 2007, 12:26 PM
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15 February 2007, 12:28 PM
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Oh come on, why is it racist, its black guys shooting black guys, those are the facts, nobody is saying that white people never do anything wrong.
While we pussyfoot around trying to avoid the race issue these young guys are killing each other, I suspect mainly because they want to look bad *** like Fiddy, Snoop or Dre. There seems to be something wrong with the black street culture, we have imported it lock stock and barrel from the US and are now wondering why they are killing each other, ok they Yardies have been at it for ever but thats a different thing entirely.
I worked for the Police for years and it became apparent that certain groups were involved in certain types of crime, White kids was mainly, fighting, drunk and disorderly, twoccing, shop lifting wheras the walls of the local nick who were doing a purge on street robbery were line with mug shots of young black guys, when I worked on fraud related work, cheque and card there was a dissproportianate ammount of Asian names in there. Not saying any one race is better or worse, they are just bad in different ways, shooting each other, lets have it right, is pretty bad.
Whilst we um and ah about doing anything as it may be seem as racist, this is still happening, any high ranking Police official or Politician who says anything is liable to get pilloried for being an evil white middle class racist. Nobody seems to be taking much notice however of the black community leaders who are tearing their hair out to try and stock these guys choosing that kind of life.
Whilst nothing is done, another 3 young men lie dead.
While we pussyfoot around trying to avoid the race issue these young guys are killing each other, I suspect mainly because they want to look bad *** like Fiddy, Snoop or Dre. There seems to be something wrong with the black street culture, we have imported it lock stock and barrel from the US and are now wondering why they are killing each other, ok they Yardies have been at it for ever but thats a different thing entirely.
I worked for the Police for years and it became apparent that certain groups were involved in certain types of crime, White kids was mainly, fighting, drunk and disorderly, twoccing, shop lifting wheras the walls of the local nick who were doing a purge on street robbery were line with mug shots of young black guys, when I worked on fraud related work, cheque and card there was a dissproportianate ammount of Asian names in there. Not saying any one race is better or worse, they are just bad in different ways, shooting each other, lets have it right, is pretty bad.
Whilst we um and ah about doing anything as it may be seem as racist, this is still happening, any high ranking Police official or Politician who says anything is liable to get pilloried for being an evil white middle class racist. Nobody seems to be taking much notice however of the black community leaders who are tearing their hair out to try and stock these guys choosing that kind of life.
Whilst nothing is done, another 3 young men lie dead.
15 February 2007, 12:48 PM
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15 February 2007, 12:54 PM
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Oh come on, why is it racist, its black guys shooting black guys, those are the facts, nobody is saying that white people never do anything wrong.
While we pussyfoot around trying to avoid the race issue these young guys are killing each other, I suspect mainly because they want to look bad *** like Fiddy, Snoop or Dre. There seems to be something wrong with the black street culture, we have imported it lock stock and barrel from the US and are now wondering why they are killing each other, ok they Yardies have been at it for ever but thats a different thing entirely.
I worked for the Police for years and it became apparent that certain groups were involved in certain types of crime, White kids was mainly, fighting, drunk and disorderly, twoccing, shop lifting wheras the walls of the local nick who were doing a purge on street robbery were line with mug shots of young black guys, when I worked on fraud related work, cheque and card there was a dissproportianate ammount of Asian names in there. Not saying any one race is better or worse, they are just bad in different ways, shooting each other, lets have it right, is pretty bad.
Whilst we um and ah about doing anything as it may be seem as racist, this is still happening, any high ranking Police official or Politician who says anything is liable to get pilloried for being an evil white middle class racist. Nobody seems to be taking much notice however of the black community leaders who are tearing their hair out to try and stock these guys choosing that kind of life.
Whilst nothing is done, another 3 young men lie dead.
While we pussyfoot around trying to avoid the race issue these young guys are killing each other, I suspect mainly because they want to look bad *** like Fiddy, Snoop or Dre. There seems to be something wrong with the black street culture, we have imported it lock stock and barrel from the US and are now wondering why they are killing each other, ok they Yardies have been at it for ever but thats a different thing entirely.
I worked for the Police for years and it became apparent that certain groups were involved in certain types of crime, White kids was mainly, fighting, drunk and disorderly, twoccing, shop lifting wheras the walls of the local nick who were doing a purge on street robbery were line with mug shots of young black guys, when I worked on fraud related work, cheque and card there was a dissproportianate ammount of Asian names in there. Not saying any one race is better or worse, they are just bad in different ways, shooting each other, lets have it right, is pretty bad.
Whilst we um and ah about doing anything as it may be seem as racist, this is still happening, any high ranking Police official or Politician who says anything is liable to get pilloried for being an evil white middle class racist. Nobody seems to be taking much notice however of the black community leaders who are tearing their hair out to try and stock these guys choosing that kind of life.
Whilst nothing is done, another 3 young men lie dead.
I'd start to put an end to all this by making them wear jeans that fit and don't show their underpants. i think this is the root of the cause.
15 February 2007, 01:05 PM
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Tenager geting hold of firearms and killing each other is bad, no matter the colour of their skin. They leave behind mum's, dad's, brothers and sisters who have to pick up the pieces.
The gun culture is bad news for us all and needs to be tackled head on by the families, communities, schools and police with the backing of the government.
Education and mentoring in place for kids likely to get into this lifestyle
Severe penalties for those that then go on and do get involved
tackiling this means dealing with other issues such as drugs and how the firearms are getting in as well as education
The gun culture is bad news for us all and needs to be tackled head on by the families, communities, schools and police with the backing of the government.
Education and mentoring in place for kids likely to get into this lifestyle
Severe penalties for those that then go on and do get involved
tackiling this means dealing with other issues such as drugs and how the firearms are getting in as well as education
15 February 2007, 01:11 PM
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Tenager geting hold of firearms and killing each other is bad, no matter the colour of their skin. They leave behind mum's, dad's, brothers and sisters who have to pick up the pieces.
The gun culture is bad news for us all and needs to be tackled head on by the families, communities, schools and police with the backing of the government.
Education and mentoring in place for kids likely to get into this lifestyle
Severe penalties for those that then go on and do get involved
tackiling this means dealing with other issues such as drugs and how the firearms are getting in as well as education
The gun culture is bad news for us all and needs to be tackled head on by the families, communities, schools and police with the backing of the government.
Education and mentoring in place for kids likely to get into this lifestyle
Severe penalties for those that then go on and do get involved
tackiling this means dealing with other issues such as drugs and how the firearms are getting in as well as education
Well said mate!!!! I agree totally!!!
15 February 2007, 01:29 PM
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no space in prisons and with thier age young offenders hardly a punishment!
its not racist, minute you mention a colour why has it got to be a race issue. whole race issue jst winds me up, soon you gona be promoting the kkk if you drive a white car ffs!!!! 3 kids got shot, they are black..... fact..... Could have been any other colour just as bad, but thats the life they lead and want. Im quite happy living in my nice little suburban area with the only worry of guns being my slightly simple friend shooting clay pigeons.
its not racist, minute you mention a colour why has it got to be a race issue. whole race issue jst winds me up, soon you gona be promoting the kkk if you drive a white car ffs!!!! 3 kids got shot, they are black..... fact..... Could have been any other colour just as bad, but thats the life they lead and want. Im quite happy living in my nice little suburban area with the only worry of guns being my slightly simple friend shooting clay pigeons.
15 February 2007, 01:38 PM
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Its not being racist. Its just being in touch with reality!
Part of the problem is that there are too many liberal types hiding their heads in the sand and trying to be politically correct.
If there is a gang of primarily black people, is it racist to call it a black gang ffs?!!
IMO its these liberal ways that have caused this country to get out of hand. Kids can get away with murder (literally!) because it is apparantly wrong for them to be disciplined in an effective manner, be it by their parents, teachers, and even the law.
Our country is far too soft in so many ways, and it is f**king it up!!
Get a grip!!!!!!!!!
Part of the problem is that there are too many liberal types hiding their heads in the sand and trying to be politically correct.
If there is a gang of primarily black people, is it racist to call it a black gang ffs?!!
IMO its these liberal ways that have caused this country to get out of hand. Kids can get away with murder (literally!) because it is apparantly wrong for them to be disciplined in an effective manner, be it by their parents, teachers, and even the law.
Our country is far too soft in so many ways, and it is f**king it up!!
Get a grip!!!!!!!!!
15 February 2007, 01:50 PM
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Its not being racist. Its just being in touch with reality!
Part of the problem is that there are too many liberal types hiding their heads in the sand and trying to be politically correct.
If there is a gang of primarily black people, is it racist to call it a black gang ffs?!!
IMO its these liberal ways that have caused this country to get out of hand. Kids can get away with murder (literally!) because it is apparantly wrong for them to be disciplined in an effective manner, be it by their parents, teachers, and even the law.
Our country is far too soft in so many ways, and it is f**king it up!!
Get a grip!!!!!!!!!
Part of the problem is that there are too many liberal types hiding their heads in the sand and trying to be politically correct.
If there is a gang of primarily black people, is it racist to call it a black gang ffs?!!
IMO its these liberal ways that have caused this country to get out of hand. Kids can get away with murder (literally!) because it is apparantly wrong for them to be disciplined in an effective manner, be it by their parents, teachers, and even the law.
Our country is far too soft in so many ways, and it is f**king it up!!
Get a grip!!!!!!!!!
YUP!
15 February 2007, 02:28 PM
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Off course it’s not racist to say that “predominately gun crime is committed by young black males”!!!! This trend is obviously very concerning--- but comments like …… “Why don’t we hand guns out in hackney so they can kill each other off”………not racist??? hmmmmmmmmm if you say so mate!!
Kittle….. do you think that if you stay in your “nice little suburban area” gun crime wont effect you??? LOL I wouldn’t speak too soon mate ….one day you could be driving your Scooby somewhere and someone could stick a gun to your head and nick it mate!! LOL
And also ….. What’s liberalism and the fundamental values of a fair and just society got to do with it???
Personally I blame the breakdown of the family structure and simply BAD parenting!!
I grew up in a very deprived area, which was very multicultural--- and I tell you wat I noticed….. the Asian and Chinese kids always worked hard, they were brought up in good families and now there making a good contribution to society!! On the other hand--- the white and black kids …… and more white kids can I add, would be the ones that ****ed about and as a result these are the ones on the dole, dealing drugs and nicking cars….. More often then not these were kids from broken families or simply had parents that didn’t give a ****e!!
Kittle….. do you think that if you stay in your “nice little suburban area” gun crime wont effect you??? LOL I wouldn’t speak too soon mate ….one day you could be driving your Scooby somewhere and someone could stick a gun to your head and nick it mate!! LOL
And also ….. What’s liberalism and the fundamental values of a fair and just society got to do with it???
Personally I blame the breakdown of the family structure and simply BAD parenting!!
I grew up in a very deprived area, which was very multicultural--- and I tell you wat I noticed….. the Asian and Chinese kids always worked hard, they were brought up in good families and now there making a good contribution to society!! On the other hand--- the white and black kids …… and more white kids can I add, would be the ones that ****ed about and as a result these are the ones on the dole, dealing drugs and nicking cars….. More often then not these were kids from broken families or simply had parents that didn’t give a ****e!!
15 February 2007, 08:34 PM
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Well I reccon that the majority of crime commited in London is doen by Blacks. Street robbery, murder and dealing drugs. There! Not racist just facts , check the news and papers everyday and it gets worse. look at the pic of the 4 Blacks sent to jail for murder and robbery at that party. have you ever seen such ugly ***** fks in your lifes. No wonder they turned to crime. Blacks tend to look up to role models more And the problem is The "role Models" they tend to be rap stars etc talking about guns, drugs , ****** and killing cops. Most youngsters today dont want to work.. they see crime as a easy route to money. I know many many people that will not employ young black people. They prefer to find Polish etc who work hard and have a good idea about what is 'right and wrong"
Anyway its the weekend soon... maybe a few more will get a 'cap in their ****" !!!
Anyway its the weekend soon... maybe a few more will get a 'cap in their ****" !!!
15 February 2007, 08:35 PM
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Its not being racist. Its just being in touch with reality!
Part of the problem is that there are too many liberal types hiding their heads in the sand and trying to be politically correct.
If there is a gang of primarily black people, is it racist to call it a black gang ffs?!!
IMO its these liberal ways that have caused this country to get out of hand. Kids can get away with murder (literally!) because it is apparantly wrong for them to be disciplined in an effective manner, be it by their parents, teachers, and even the law.
Our country is far too soft in so many ways, and it is f**king it up!!
Get a grip!!!!!!!!!
Part of the problem is that there are too many liberal types hiding their heads in the sand and trying to be politically correct.
If there is a gang of primarily black people, is it racist to call it a black gang ffs?!!
IMO its these liberal ways that have caused this country to get out of hand. Kids can get away with murder (literally!) because it is apparantly wrong for them to be disciplined in an effective manner, be it by their parents, teachers, and even the law.
Our country is far too soft in so many ways, and it is f**king it up!!
Get a grip!!!!!!!!!
15 February 2007, 08:48 PM
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what age and how long ago? also where where they from?
I realy love my Black neighbours. They are "Old Skool" and attend church every week. Smart and so well manered. They are the ones some of you guys need to listen to. They dont have much good to say about the young Blacks on the streets etc. They are ashamed . they came to this country in the late sixties and had nothing . They respect and love this country for what it gave them and their children.They are the best .
I realy love my Black neighbours. They are "Old Skool" and attend church every week. Smart and so well manered. They are the ones some of you guys need to listen to. They dont have much good to say about the young Blacks on the streets etc. They are ashamed . they came to this country in the late sixties and had nothing . They respect and love this country for what it gave them and their children.They are the best .
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Less Police patroling the streets ...
Less people being sent to Prison ...
When you go to prison you get let out before entire sentance is served ...
Prisoners suing the Govt for poor conditions etc ...
Crime continues to rise year on year ...
Crime levels appear to be escalating eg more knivings, more murders ...
is any of this linked?
What can we do about it though?
TX.
Less people being sent to Prison ...
When you go to prison you get let out before entire sentance is served ...
Prisoners suing the Govt for poor conditions etc ...
Crime continues to rise year on year ...
Crime levels appear to be escalating eg more knivings, more murders ...
is any of this linked?What can we do about it though?
TX.
15 February 2007, 08:57 PM
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Less Police patroling the streets ...
Less people being sent to Prison ...
When you go to prison you get let out before entire sentance is served ...
Prisoners suing the Govt for poor conditions etc ...
Crime continues to rise year on year ...
Crime levels appear to be escalating eg more knivings, more murders ...
is any of this linked?
What can we do about it though?
TX.
Less people being sent to Prison ...
When you go to prison you get let out before entire sentance is served ...
Prisoners suing the Govt for poor conditions etc ...
Crime continues to rise year on year ...
Crime levels appear to be escalating eg more knivings, more murders ...
is any of this linked?What can we do about it though?
TX.
15 February 2007, 09:04 PM
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It's amazing they actually managed to make the bullet connect...you just know they would have been holding the shooter sideways; gangsta style...
The victims were probably just innocent bystanders, 5ft away on the horizontal, from the intended.
If only America would make films where the shooters hold their guns properly, we wouldn't be in this pickle
The victims were probably just innocent bystanders, 5ft away on the horizontal, from the intended.
If only America would make films where the shooters hold their guns properly, we wouldn't be in this pickle
15 February 2007, 10:30 PM
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15 February 2007, 10:47 PM
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do you know hackney well? I do and can tell you the world wouldnt miss many from there. let them kill each other . Total waste of good space , they should tell the americans there is a terrorist camp there and let them carpet bomb it !!
Now you mention "parenting" most dont know who their fathers are. if they do they never see them. These parents are the ones that still want to puff dope and go out clubbing. They cant control themselves so have no chance with the kids. The schools just expel as a answer to their problem with the kids. Its a "No win" situation. And the Police are scared of them
Local business men have already made it clear that they are recruiting labour from abroad. And so would I. Most of the kids are pathetic at any type of work. last year we had ove r9 school leavers come and work. they couldnt read, add or turn up for work on time. This year It Polish and thank god. The kids are really in for a hard time. no one wants them much.
But hey... if America goes into iran? maybe the yanks can employ them as cannon foder? !!
Now you mention "parenting" most dont know who their fathers are. if they do they never see them. These parents are the ones that still want to puff dope and go out clubbing. They cant control themselves so have no chance with the kids. The schools just expel as a answer to their problem with the kids. Its a "No win" situation. And the Police are scared of them
Local business men have already made it clear that they are recruiting labour from abroad. And so would I. Most of the kids are pathetic at any type of work. last year we had ove r9 school leavers come and work. they couldnt read, add or turn up for work on time. This year It Polish and thank god. The kids are really in for a hard time. no one wants them much.
But hey... if America goes into iran? maybe the yanks can employ them as cannon foder? !!
DO I KNOW HACKNEY>>???? I know it better then you im sure!! mate i use to live in hackney..... just of Ridley road!
15 February 2007, 11:31 PM
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Ridley road !
Dalston..thats where I always make sure the 'safety " is off ! Not the best of places for a white guy late night ! gets better towards Hoxton, but the Seven sisters end ( Woodberry ) is getting well rough. Andover estate is a nightmare. Some old mates did a Job there for 3 weeks. what they saw was a real eye opener !
Dalston..thats where I always make sure the 'safety " is off ! Not the best of places for a white guy late night ! gets better towards Hoxton, but the Seven sisters end ( Woodberry ) is getting well rough. Andover estate is a nightmare. Some old mates did a Job there for 3 weeks. what they saw was a real eye opener !
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this whole triangle is turning into a waste land. The local gangs on mopeds ar enow involded in serious crime. Guns , robbery the lot. many many times Ive seen the guns been pulled to show" respect" aint funny when its a 17 year old nutter on skunk waving the thing arround. And to top it off he has a audience so has to go into "gansta" mode.
15 February 2007, 11:49 PM
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thats Tv stuff. It was aimed at me so why should I worry. If they had fired any of the people they would have hit would have deserved it . All scum.
I dont get involded... not my problem.
I dont get involded... not my problem.
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Sea master are you trying to steal johno johnsons bull **** crown ? Or are you truly an all action hero. If u dont know some bad *** gun toting yardie you are witness to some big drug deal or some vigalantee justice