Notices
ScoobyNet General General Subaru Discussion

Will Subaru ever better the P1?

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 07 February 2007, 11:44 PM
  #31  
Terminator X
Owner of SNet
iTrader: (7)
 
Terminator X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 11,513
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thumbs up

Mine is my everyday car & i'm fine with that. Bit noisy (turn up the stereo) & ride can be a tad harsh (go quicker!). Otherwise fecking awesome!!

TX.

Originally Posted by Steve Fort
Spec C has the similar problem. It is arguably the best scoob ever for tear arsing about. But to live with every day as your only car, i'm not too sure (having never owned one!) It isn't sold as a UK car either, is it?
Old 07 February 2007, 11:46 PM
  #32  
Terminator X
Owner of SNet
iTrader: (7)
 
Terminator X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 11,513
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Too much info MJFJ!!

TX.

Originally Posted by Multijfj
Hawkeye STi Spec C Type R-RA

Clearly the best subaru ever made, it makes me erect just thinking about it.
Old 07 February 2007, 11:57 PM
  #33  
Bubba po
Scooby Regular
 
Bubba po's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Cas Vegas
Posts: 60,269
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

P1 still on my shopping list.
Old 08 February 2007, 12:10 AM
  #34  
T5NYW
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (4)
 
T5NYW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: MY99UK-MY02STi-MY99Type R-MY06 T20-MY11 340R-MY05 TYPE25
Posts: 11,468
Received 22 Likes on 19 Posts
Talking

Originally Posted by fatmanscooby
"A P1 isn't a Type R with bits removed, it best described as a V6 4 door built into a2 door bodyshell with Type R suspension. Bit more complex than that as some parts were fitted in Japan and more were fitted in the UK but it's more correct than saying it's a low spec Type R."

That will get em Fired up.


But it's true I've had shed loads of goes in P1's on road and Track and owned a Type R vltd, agreed was harsher on bumpy roads in comparison. As for speed and top end my type R V ltd with std longer 5th and 8krpm was better than a P1 at both on a Autobann. athough nearly hit a 22B up the rear as he "Peaked" to early

Saying that, for a comfortable well handling car Prodrive does it better than most Handling versa Comfort is normally Comrpomise/trade off and you have to take your Hats of to the boys at Warwick they know their stuff.
The handling of the RB320 is very good I was suprised anything that comfortable could still handle so well very much in the P1 Class IMHO

Tony
Old 08 February 2007, 12:25 AM
  #35  
Steve Fort
Scooby Regular
Thread Starter
 
Steve Fort's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2000
Location: Brentwood, Essex
Posts: 1,077
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Wink

Maybe the RB320 is the one then! (shame they look like a batmobile!)
Old 08 February 2007, 12:45 AM
  #36  
T5NYW
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (4)
 
T5NYW's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: MY99UK-MY02STi-MY99Type R-MY06 T20-MY11 340R-MY05 TYPE25
Posts: 11,468
Received 22 Likes on 19 Posts
Talking

Originally Posted by Steve Fort
Maybe the RB320 is the one then! (shame they look like a batmobile!)
Blacks not my favourite oolour but really felt the "Package" as a whole was the best prodrive has produced since the P1 , OK it not gob smacking quick but ticks all the right boxes IMHO

Personelly the only UK car I'd have bought in the last 3 years, sorry WR1 owners but Prodrive to float my boat with that one

Look out early next year for the new Model it WILL be far superior to the P1 IMHO

Tony
Old 08 February 2007, 01:06 AM
  #37  
Terminator X
Owner of SNet
iTrader: (7)
 
Terminator X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 11,513
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Careful Tony, loose talk like that could harm residuals

TX.

Originally Posted by T5NYW
Look out early next year for the new Model it WILL be far superior to the P1 IMHO

Tony
Old 08 February 2007, 12:49 PM
  #38  
Davey P
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Davey P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Dorset
Posts: 1,616
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rabskyline
p1 ? the best ?? with bottom ends going left right and centre i certainly think not.. jap sti any one of them ! take yer pick ! although the p1 looks good ! just my two bobs worth...
The P1 has the same engine as the Jap cars, assuming you mean the Version 5 / 6.
Old 08 February 2007, 06:03 PM
  #39  
rabskyline
Scooby Regular
 
rabskyline's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: sunshine coast, queensland ! hot hot hot !
Posts: 1,228
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

so why do they have a rep for going bang around 45k ??? they are lovely looking cars but the poppind motor is an issue ive heard a lot of !
Old 08 February 2007, 07:13 PM
  #40  
p1stew
Scooby Regular
 
p1stew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 74
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

At present i own a Spec C T20 courtesy of Mr Litchfield & Powestation, the car cannot be beaten for value for for money and ticks all the boxes on road and track. It is cheap to service and maintain and nothing has failed in the 25k i have done. I can't recommend the Spec C enough and whilst the P1 was a beautiful looking car with fantastic detailing it's engine blew up at 32K and was replaced under warranty.

Reference the argument about the Spec C not being a ' proper ' subaru i would suggest that due to IM registrictions the british public are not being allowed access to the best equipment, that the boys and girls at Subaru can produce.

rant over
Old 08 February 2007, 07:19 PM
  #41  
bighead
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
bighead's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Posts: 4,033
Received 17 Likes on 14 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rabskyline
so why do they have a rep for going bang around 45k ??? they are lovely looking cars but the poppind motor is an issue ive heard a lot of !

bull****e ...when maintained properly P1 engines do not pop
Old 08 February 2007, 07:23 PM
  #42  
eliot
Scooby Regular
 
eliot's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Posts: 468
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Just bought a P1, and its by far the best scoob i've owned (i had a bugeye and a blobeye).

Both were tuned but nowhere near as spot-on as the P1 - it's a great standard car It'll take some beating!!!

wershy
Old 08 February 2007, 07:24 PM
  #43  
Davey P
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Davey P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Dorset
Posts: 1,616
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by rabskyline
so why do they have a rep for going bang around 45k ??? they are lovely looking cars but the poppind motor is an issue ive heard a lot of !
TBH, they are no better or worse than the STI 5/6 engine. It depends on how you treat them. If a lot of owners are honest about when there engine went bang, you will find its often after a top speed run.
Treat the engines well, use decent petrol and oil, replace the MAF once a year and your certainly off to a good start.
Old 08 February 2007, 07:40 PM
  #44  
p1stew
Scooby Regular
 
p1stew's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 74
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

is that why there were six went bang at Lucas of Mansfield & over 10 at Beechdale in Derby, surely not all these drivers were misusing there vehicles. I'd owned 2 subarus before the P1, never a problem. I was sold the dream that the P1 was the ultimate subaru, but after the engine let go it dented my confidence.

I for one always get all of my cars serviced in advance of the schedule, use optimax as was or V power.

The bottom end actually let go at 50mph going down the M1 so speed was not a contributor factor.

Like i say, speaking with Ian Litchfield he has had only one failure of all the Spec C's he has sold whilst he has been trading and the part cost less than 50 quid.

I rest me case
Old 08 February 2007, 07:45 PM
  #45  
rabskyline
Scooby Regular
 
rabskyline's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: sunshine coast, queensland ! hot hot hot !
Posts: 1,228
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

so i am not alone with the engine popping p1 stories ? if its true, (which it seems it is) how can it be the best impreza ??? surely it cant ?
Old 08 February 2007, 08:01 PM
  #46  
Hepy
Scooby Regular
 
Hepy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Lanarkshire Gamertag: ScoobyP1
Posts: 396
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I had over 3 1/2 years of driving bliss with my P1. Best car I've owned. Never missed a beat.
Old 08 February 2007, 08:22 PM
  #47  
Luminous
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (3)
 
Luminous's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Muppetising life
Posts: 15,449
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

I thought someone one here was saying that the P1 could do with a remap as its fuelling was not quite right for UK petrol. I could be wrong, but I am sure there was a discussion about the fact the P1 map was based too closely on the Sti V 5 or something.
Old 08 February 2007, 08:32 PM
  #48  
AFRIKANZ
Scooby Regular
 
AFRIKANZ's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2006
Location: AKA: GARIYARALLY, on the way to the next stage
Posts: 602
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

The type r definately was IMHO the best one produced. 22B's are just too beautiful to even try to compare it with a P1......
Old 08 February 2007, 09:09 PM
  #49  
scoobynutta555
Scooby Regular
 
scoobynutta555's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Markyate.Imprezas owned:-wrx-sti5typeR-p1-uk22b-modded my00. Amongst others!
Posts: 8,541
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

At present i own a Spec C T20 courtesy of Mr Litchfield & Powestation, the car cannot be beaten for value for for money
How much is a Spec C T20 these days? I bet there are many other Imprezas better value for money out there. In fact my best value for money Impreza was also the cheapest, a modified UK saloon.
Old 08 February 2007, 09:20 PM
  #50  
Terminator X
Owner of SNet
iTrader: (7)
 
Terminator X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 11,513
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Cheap is not always good value! Sometimes it's better to pay for good quality ...

TX.

Originally Posted by scoobynutta555
How much is a Spec C T20 these days? I bet there are many other Imprezas better value for money out there. In fact my best value for money Impreza was also the cheapest, a modified UK saloon.
Old 08 February 2007, 11:01 PM
  #51  
Bubba po
Scooby Regular
 
Bubba po's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Location: Cas Vegas
Posts: 60,269
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by p1stew
The bottom end actually let go at 50mph going down the M1 so speed was not a contributor factor.

Well OBVIOUSLY, that's not when the damage was done, is it?
Old 08 February 2007, 11:04 PM
  #52  
Soapy Sam
Scooby Regular
 
Soapy Sam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Kent
Posts: 383
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Terminator X
Cheap is not always good value! Sometimes it's better to pay for good quality ...

TX.

I'll second that...

Old 08 February 2007, 11:18 PM
  #53  
andythejock01wrx
Scooby Regular
 
andythejock01wrx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2006
Location: Edinburgh (ish)
Posts: 8,089
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by Bubba po
Well OBVIOUSLY, that's not when the damage was done, is it?
Or in other words "Heads I win, tails you lose" !
Old 08 February 2007, 11:18 PM
  #54  
scoobynutta555
Scooby Regular
 
scoobynutta555's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Markyate.Imprezas owned:-wrx-sti5typeR-p1-uk22b-modded my00. Amongst others!
Posts: 8,541
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Cool

Originally Posted by Terminator X
Cheap is not always good value! Sometimes it's better to pay for good quality ...

TX.
Nobody is saying cheap is always best value. What I am saying is what I've spent on my car now is 4 times less than my last Impreza, and it's just as good, if not better, than the last one.
Old 08 February 2007, 11:21 PM
  #55  
Terminator X
Owner of SNet
iTrader: (7)
 
Terminator X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 11,513
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

What did you have before fella & what now?

TX.
Old 08 February 2007, 11:23 PM
  #56  
scoobynutta555
Scooby Regular
 
scoobynutta555's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Markyate.Imprezas owned:-wrx-sti5typeR-p1-uk22b-modded my00. Amongst others!
Posts: 8,541
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

22b uk version and now a MY00 fully rebuilt and properly modded.
Old 08 February 2007, 11:50 PM
  #57  
Terminator X
Owner of SNet
iTrader: (7)
 
Terminator X's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Berkshire
Posts: 11,513
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Wow, 22b! Very nice only ever seen one on the road & it looked awesome so fair play to you. See what you mean now though re VFM as the 22b's do cost a bit vs a normal Impreza.

TX.
Old 09 February 2007, 01:33 AM
  #58  
scoobynutta555
Scooby Regular
 
scoobynutta555's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2001
Location: Markyate.Imprezas owned:-wrx-sti5typeR-p1-uk22b-modded my00. Amongst others!
Posts: 8,541
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Yeah, basically the differences between a 22b and a typeR are so small for the average driver that you're really paying an extra 15k just for posing, not great VFM when you can get a nice typeR for 8kish.
Old 09 February 2007, 12:36 PM
  #59  
Davey P
Scooby Regular
iTrader: (1)
 
Davey P's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Dorset
Posts: 1,616
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by p1stew
is that why there were six went bang at Lucas of Mansfield & over 10 at Beechdale in Derby, surely not all these drivers were misusing there vehicles. I'd owned 2 subarus before the P1, never a problem. I was sold the dream that the P1 was the ultimate subaru, but after the engine let go it dented my confidence.

I for one always get all of my cars serviced in advance of the schedule, use optimax as was or V power.

The bottom end actually let go at 50mph going down the M1 so speed was not a contributor factor.

Like i say, speaking with Ian Litchfield he has had only one failure of all the Spec C's he has sold whilst he has been trading and the part cost less than 50 quid.

I rest me case
I think you missed my point. I was answering a question regarding the P1 and STI 5 / 6 engines. I agree, they should be more reliable, but a P1 engine is no better or worse than an STI 5/6 as they are exactly the same.

There is no way I would compare the P1 engine to a Spec C engine
Old 09 February 2007, 05:19 PM
  #60  
Group N
Scooby Regular
 
Group N's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: www.rn-motorsport.co.uk
Posts: 120
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Default

Originally Posted by p1stew
is that why there were six went bang at Lucas of Mansfield & over 10 at Beechdale in Derby, surely not all these drivers were misusing there vehicles. I'd owned 2 subarus before the P1, never a problem. I was sold the dream that the P1 was the ultimate subaru, but after the engine let go it dented my confidence.

I for one always get all of my cars serviced in advance of the schedule, use optimax as was or V power.

The bottom end actually let go at 50mph going down the M1 so speed was not a contributor factor.

Like i say, speaking with Ian Litchfield he has had only one failure of all the Spec C's he has sold whilst he has been trading and the part cost less than 50 quid.

I rest me case

I had a P1 from Beechdale in Derby, brand new. covered 96,000miles in just over 4 years.... never missed a beat ever! and I didn't drive like miss daisy ever as the guys at the dealership know. Even trips to WRC in Spain covering 1,100miles in one & a half days never bothered her.
Mega car in my book - will never see the likes of it again.

I'm would conside buying another P1 over a new age STi Impreza to



just my tuppence..


Quick Reply: Will Subaru ever better the P1?



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 03:14 PM.