superdan

not sure about the alfa but saab and vauxhall use two versions the z19dt and z19dth different turbo etc 130bhp and 150 bhp respectivley they both a little sluggish in the heavy saab 9-5 hiursh uprgade peps them up a little lol

Gridlock Mikey

Bollox, the T8's are pant's and I'll hear no more about it, VXR's are the way forward. End of. Listen to yourselves

*Words spoken by Gridlock "You can shove your front wheel drive up yer bum, I'm an AWD man from now on. Rally slags forever" Mikey in 2004*

You should go visit that site though, and Andrew is a Geordie, but don't worry, he sells rump

Gridlock Mikey

Besides, they wake your neighbours up even more than a decat and the smoke is just all wrong.
Petrol................. Say after me........... Petrol IS the best way forward

Schank you pleesh

*Fcukin' Diesels *

Blueblaster

What a good thread (apart from the stupid "petrol is best" comments). I think Vauxhall have done a cracking job with the new Astra - it looks great, goes well, is great value and well built. If you can get 50mpg then all the better. If you want my two penneth (you're going to get it even if you don't) I would get a standard car, change the suspension (if you still want to drive quickly) and then think about the engine. You may well find that you enjoy revving the pants off it while remaining at legal speeds.

Matteeboy

Blueblaster - Top end petrols and diesel Designs and SRIs are lowered 10mm as standard (it makes a big difference), have a sport button that actually does something and have bigger disks plus come with proper tyres.

For me to go from VW for years to Vauxhall was a fairly dramatic leap but it's one of those cars you can really blast around in - The handling is very good, it's well made and apart from the slightly iffy dash, is nice to sit in.

I very rarely get over 40mpg though - My poor Astra gets ragged mercilessly!

Blueblaster

It does sound like the Astra is a lot sportier than my Civic. Given how much I am enjoying saving money on petrol I would probably go for the cheaper Astra next time, although I am very happy with the Civic and will keep it a long time.

Gridlock Mikey

OOER!! Check him out Loosen up fella, nothing personal. Now get back to to your charts explaining torque etc

Besides, nowt stupid about petrol is best......... It is

Diesel F1 car anyone.............. no................... Oi! Sebastian Loeb, wanna drive this diesel.......... it's the future apparently .................. When will Subaru be bringing out the STi Diesel exactly........ oh they're not did you say oh well

Blueblaster

The last time I checked there were no Formula One or World Rally Championship teams that had to worry about the cost of petrol. Also, both of those racing formats are basically short sprints - hardly representative of modern day-to-day motoring. Audi (much to Audilover's glee) have been wiping the floor in endurance racing with their diesel racer. That is much more relevant.

Also, Subaru not bringing out a diesel STI is massively instrumental in their slide down the sales charts.

Extreme power outputs, high rev limits and great engine noise are the strengths of petrol engines. Given you can't use all this power 99% of the time you are paying an awful lot of money for an engine note.

No one here is suggesting that we should all drive around in piles of junk to save money. What we are saying is that in the real world of heavy traffic, high petrol prices and generally high cost of living, you can have a really nice car and save £250 per month by having a diesel engine in it.

Matteeboy

I actually bought a diesel for the torque and low emissions.
Good mpg is a bonus but it honestly wasn't a big issue.
The longer range between fuel stops is very handy though.

Even Evo mag are starting to say "diesel like low range torque" and similar.

tomh

Take one for a spin ive got one and its a cracking car, only downside is the standard interior but thats easily changed

GrantyBoy

I've heard Subaru are in the process of developing a flat four diesel.

Gridlock Mikey

Is there a yawn smiley??? Oh this'll do

Well said Mr Subaru Marketing analyst

GrantyBoy

Anyway, back on topic does anyone have any realworld experience of the 888's?

Gridlock Mikey

I doubt if you'll get anyone in here to admit it

Try these guys, they own them so I reckon they are qualified

My Smokey Mates

Matteeboy

A couple of guys on www.astra-sport.co.uk have one.

tomh

Mine,



And i wont be selling anytime soon

Matteeboy

Tom - Veeeeery nice!

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You see, this is what happens when muppets venture into something a bit closer to reality than the muppet forum

Mikey - crawl back under your rock



Those AWD "rally slags" you drive (drove) are no closer to F1 or WR cars than a diesel fiesta is you ****.

And as for "subaru marketing" roflmo - I'm guessing you fell for it hook line and sinker when you bought your "road going rally rep"

Gridlock Mikey

Good points all well presented

Lets deal with them one at a time shall we

What's so unreal about the muppet forum, Is it because you require an ability to exhibit social skills every now and again and be able to converse without calling people a ****. Is having a sense of humour also an un real "thing" to you?

Crawl back under my rock!! Well Well, lets have a look at this one shall we I have never come out from under it to be fair, certainly this thread could hardly be called "original" or "fresh" or "Ground breaking".
Tell you what it is, it's same crap, different names.
Sorry for having been here and done this and deciding to have a bit of fun

Finally, hook line & sinker........ I bought a fast and relatively rare car that was good value for money. I think it was about 2 years after buying it, I decided to be interested in Rallying.
Now Bugger off and leave me alone, I have BTCC tickets to source

Thanks for the interaction

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If you think your responses in this thread to a perfectly valid question represent in any way "an exhibition of social skills" you are somewhat wide of the mark Mikey.

Incredulous - someone who spends all day in the muppet forum complaining that a thread in another forum isn't "original, fresh, or ground breaking" Do you need reminded that "muppets" contains thousands of threads on the same old ****?

IIRC, you're the one who "buggered in" and posted a load of crap on this thread

You're welcome and good luck with your tickets

Matteeboy

It also helps if you are able to construct a coherent and accurately punctuated sentence.

Back of the class Gridlock.

misty

Boys, boys, now, you will all stay behind after school if this carries on!
Dave

Gridlock Mikey

And there we have it............. one of the main reasons that I stay in the Muppet Forum.

You guys just don't get it. The craving to always be better than the other guy, the need to be "the correct one" makes some of you behave like spoilt brats. It's laughable.

Now argue if you need to, it's what you log on for it seems, but you should try the funnier side of scoobynet every now and again and realise you ain't no better than the guy next to you! You don't know best all the time. Relax and have fun.

Now about these god awful Diesels............

Cheers

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Did someone just fart

lol

Its not about being "better than the next guy" - are you lot so over sensitive and shrouded in cotton wool that you can't take a bit of "attitude?"

There is a huge difference between trying to be "better than the next guy" and calling **** exactly what it is - ****

How you cope in the real world is beyond me

Actually, on second thoughts it's not - you don't cope, do you? thats why you seemingly spend your entire lives posting drivel on an internet BBS with in some alternate "fluffy" reality

Gridlock Mikey

If only you knew.........

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So your "fluffy niceties" are contrived...

That just makes it worse

Gridlock Mikey

I'm sorry but that was just a noise....... I see your posts but all I can read is Blah Blah Blah



'Moff to the real world. Seeya. Don't forget to let these guys finish talking about the diesel thingies. There's a good lad. *Pats him/her on the head*

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Quality post there Mikey

bikky

can i just say

I drive an astra diesel estate 150, with a DTUK crd2, PAH i hear you say....

which on the rollers gives 201bhp and 313lb's and with the new induction kit that's been tested, a 150 diesel with dtuk chip gives 210bhp.

I leave type r'sk, golf gti's and bmw320 coupes standing, and even an audi 2.7 turbo couldnt beat me (i didn't thrash him) but i did beat him.

here is the car




and for those of you still thinking pah, see a sport hatch diesel on the strip at santa pod here (6meg) against strangley enough an escort

ftp://lan-uk.derwentside.net/spankescort.wmv

now these aren't 888's but the power is very similar, we just don't have their brakes and suspention setup.

bikky

can i just say

I drive an astra diesel estate 150, with a DTUK crd2, PAH i hear you say....

which on the rollers gives 201bhp and 313lb's and with the new induction kit that's been tested, a 150 diesel with dtuk chip gives 210bhp.

I leave type r'sk, golf gti's and bmw320 coupes standing, and even an audi 2.7 turbo couldnt beat me (i didn't thrash him) but i did beat him.

here is the car




and for those of you still thinking pah, see a sport hatch diesel on the strip at santa pod here (6meg) against strangley enough an escort

ftp://lan-uk.derwentside.net/spankescort.wmv

now these aren't 888's but the power is very similar, we just don't have their brakes and suspention setup.