Don't trifle with me

 

Why are people getting the hissy fits over this???


prhaps we need to start

Iraq 101


Saddam & his mates were tried and convicted by an Iraqi court.. It was the elected government.....


he was found guilty....


THEY have the death penalty, all we did was detain them...


THEY executed Them

end of....


what they do is up to them...

the more you go on about it the more it keeps getting media coverage,..

there gone now so whats the use keeping on about it


mart

 

So we can be entertained by you're spelling

 

 

It was irony

 

Hmmm - OK

 

I needed to use up the apostrophe 're that he missed - I didn't feel the need to explain it as it was so obvious

 

to you may be, to me it may as well be double dutch.

except i dont need to be a pedant and make a song and dance over it!!


Mart

 

Dying in 15-20 seconds hardly counts as "a slow and agonising death".

Although I do rather like the idea of murderers trying to talk and no words coming out as their mouths open and shut.

 

 

You believe the Iraqi "government" are governing Iraq?

 

Not in this case Rannoch, and could anyone believe that they "knew not what they were doing"?

In the interests of persuading such"monsters" that if they feel that they have to torture and kill people, committing genocide also as they go, that they are risking genuine and final retribution, then I am fully in favour of "topping" them in such a case.

In my book that does not go against Christian principles.

Look at the present PC attitude towards criminals and thugs and their human rights. They literally do virtually get away with murder these days serving minimum sentences as they do. Do you personally think it is a good thing to appease criminals in this way, and what do you think of the results that we see every day now?

The punishment should fit the crime as it was always said in the past, even when it comes to the ultimate retribution when it is appropriate as it certainly was this time. SH and his murderous cohorts were despatched in the most humane manner which was a lot better than they did for their victims!

If you can find any more biblical quotes in order to attempt to embarrass me, please go ahead, it will at least help to fill your day!

Les

 

Les, The Christian principle is not to kill people. And you cannot get away from that even in the awful circumstances of the monsters that were executed. As I said in an earlier post I don't support the death penalty but in this case I can't bring myself to oppose the sentence. That doesn't make it right though.

 

Yes I agree about not killing people of course, but I also believe in the State's right to punish those who do commit such dreadful crimes if only to dissuade others from a similar course of action and to defend the innocent from being killed. I think that is also a Christian principle.

Les

 

All well and good, Iraq is a Muslim country and as such our thoughts of what is right and wrong are of little consequence unless we do intend to convert it by force to Christianity.

About time we left them to governing thier own country, by their laws, stopped being as arrogant to assume that we are right and they are wrong, leave them to it and assist if asked to.

Christian values mean very little in Iraq or indeed the ME.

 

That could just be residual discharge from the nerves.

Ns04

 

Saw a chicken fly off once after it had had its head chopped off (not for far mind).

 

OMG, they shot it as well?!?!?!?!

PULL!!!

 

As Paddy said "To be sure, to be sure"

 

Do you work for KFC??

If so, large Zinger Tower burger please!!!

 

I agree with David - I don't support the death sentence however circumstances such as this do stretch that belief. I certainly do not think that the death sentence would in any way discourage a dictator. If anything it encourages them as if they get caught they can be the great martyr.

In terms of some quotes for you - I can't remember the number but something nags me about the Bible...oh, yes, Thou shalt not kill. I don't remember reading the amendments saying though shalt not kill except for xxx. God alone has sovereignty over life.

Having been brought up in a deeply theological and Christian family, even though I do not regard myself as religious I do find support for the death penalty to be against Christian principles.

Do unto others as you would do unto yourself.

A whiff of hypocrisy is in the air.

 

Except for the Christian (as in the prophecies of Jesus Christ) elements recognised in the Quoran as Jesus is a regarded as a great teacher and prophet and the values he taught are inherent in the teachings if the Quoran.

The Quoran declares that Jesus Christ is the Word of God and the Spirit of Him. So the Word of God and His spirit exist with and in God from eternity and neither His Word nor His Spirit have a beginning or an end.

In the Quoran it also says, ' Kill and man and you kill all of mankind, save a man and you save the world'.

Something very much in line with Christian teaching and sadly not followed by extremists of all religions.

 

You can quote whatever you like, this is not my point, the ME and the Muslims people who live there have theirr own ways of doing things and their own laws as well as their religious beliefs and interetations. I am a little bored of people moaning about this is not how they should do things or this is not right, like 'we' in the west are such good example.
Oh, you point out the parallels between the two religions, go stand up in the street in Saudi, etc and start preaching from the bible about how great Christianity is and how people should convert or respect it - i give you a max of 5 mins before you are carted away or stoned!

Or, pop into the local Christian church - oh, that's right, there aren't any

Bin there, lived there mate, respect their laws and you are just fine, break them or upset them and you are in trouble!
Have a look at this, this is a prime example of differences, interview with an executioner, discussing his job with his young kids sat around him, proud man and taking pride in his job.
YouTube - Saudi Government-Appointed Executioner

 

Just for information as we were talking about Iraq there are lots of Christians, indeed around 700,000 of them recognised by government statistics and there are churches as well. Shock, horror in a Muslim country!

 

You learn somthing new every day!

my point still stands, the ME is just different, different way of doing things, different values.

 

The Assyrian Orthodox church predates Islam in Iraq

The Saudis are significantly less tolerant as you observe

 

Not just Saudis mate, try this in any town square in any Iran or Iraq, Afganistan as well for good measure and see how you get on. These counties are not civilised in the way the west sees or thinks of as civilised. They also do not always see the west as civilised or as a shining example and often for good reason.

As for predating Islam, this is agian not the point, Islam is the predominant religion in its many forms.

 

That's as may be, but you'd be advised to research a bit what your own country has done, and what the Americans have done, then see if you see still agree. The US-UK led sanctions killed a lot more Iraqi men, women and children than Saddam and his goons did, so when you suggest what we do with our own leaders, I'll give you your point

PS You do know where they got their nerve gas from don't you?

 

Which is more than likely why he was tried on 'lesser' charges!

 

I can only presume that you are accusing me of hypocrisy, I am stating what my conscience tells me to believe, and certainly not saying one thing and actually believing something quite different.

That is an offensive thing to say about me and I would not have believed it of you.

Les