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Old 11 January 2007, 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by marky1
Well if you look at short sterling DEC 07 is pricing rates at 5.75 (94.270). If you think we will be at 6.5 then you need to be smashing some short sterling futures in size because you are way off the market!
Anyone got the english version?

6 months ago the rate was 4.5% so that's a .75% rise. the same could easily happen in the next 6 months, esp given that inflation shows no sign of slowing. and other .75% rise in 6 months puts us to 6%.

BOE have to adjust the rate to achieve the 2% inflation rate and currently it's looking like 3%, thats 50% higher than desired! Preventing inflation is the bottom line, I don't care two hoots about market crap about futures/selling/shorting etc, I look at the inflation rate, if that keeps on rising then so does interest rates, simple.
Old 11 January 2007, 01:15 PM
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PS rates wont go over 5.75% this year. I know for I am wise.
Old 11 January 2007, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by TDT
It's times like this I'm glad I don't have a mortgage and the cars were bought outright. Just had to listen to my neighbour moaning how his house will be unaffordable if the rate goes up much more
Bet he now wishes he hadn't taken up the offer off the bank for a loan 5 times his wage.
Old 11 January 2007, 01:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Anyone got the english version?

I don't care two hoots about market crap about futures/selling/shorting etc, .
Well then you don't really know what you're talking about, and that's why you are so far off!
Old 11 January 2007, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Abdabz
PS rates wont go over 5.75% this year. I know for I am wise.
You couldn't give me this weeks Euro Lottery numbers while you're at it could you? Oh Mystic one
Old 11 January 2007, 01:18 PM
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Originally Posted by SteveScooby
I'm so glad that I decided signed up to a 5 yera fixed rate mortgage 2 days before it went up last time
I signed up to a 5 year fixed just before Xmas

I've historically only gone for 2 year fixed, but the last 3 have gone by so quickly me and the mrs decided 5 was a better choice
Old 11 January 2007, 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Anyone got the english version?
Oh yeah sorry the english version (I assumed you understand it since you were calling rates) is basically that the market expects rises of another 50 basis points by the end of the year, not 125 as you suggest. What I was saying is the market may be wrong by 25 but not by 75!
Old 11 January 2007, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
Funny - Mortgage holders get all defensive and poo poo any more rises.
Savers smile and hope it gets "worse"
But a lot of mortgage holder could still sell up and be better off that you for instance
Old 11 January 2007, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by marky1
Oh yeah sorry the english version (I assumed you understand it since you were calling rates) is basically that the market expects rises of another 50 basis points by the end of the year, not 125 as you suggest. What I was saying is the market may be wrong by 25 but not by 75!
If you read my post you would have noticed I said between 6 and 6.5%. You conveniently took the highest figure for your own ends.

It doesn't matter diddly squat if I 'know what I'm talking about' or not. Inflation is rising and showing little signs of slowing (record xmas sales etc.) and thus interest rates will continue to rise.

Even if rates end up at 6.5% I still happily say I don't know what I'm talking about and you do. However I'd be right and you'd be wrong.....Let's have a little challenge to review in 12 months time. Who's closer to the rate. I say now, 6% as the non-expert. You as the expert say X% and surely you'll end up right, we shall see.

Let's face it, experts do NOT know. they suspect, they predict, they anticipate, they hope but they do NOT know as has been proven in the past. What were your last years predicitions for year end?
Old 11 January 2007, 01:29 PM
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Old 11 January 2007, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by davyboy
But a lot of mortgage holder could still sell up and be better off that you for instance
You don't know how much we have in savings or at what rate we are adding to them....
Old 11 January 2007, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Anyone got the english version?

BOE have to adjust the rate to achieve the 2% inflation rate and currently it's looking like 3%, thats 50% higher than desired! Preventing inflation is the bottom line, I don't care two hoots about market crap about .
Lets not forget that the 2% figure they can;t meet is Gordon Brown fudged CPI rate too - Not the original RPI rate, which they found was getting far too high above 2%, so, he changed the way inflation was calculated so it met the 2% target. Expect to see a new way of calculating inflation soon
Old 11 January 2007, 01:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
You don't know how much we have in savings or at what rate we are adding to them....
well unless you live with mummy and daddy you will be paying rent, so i guess
not that much difference to someone with a mortgage.
Old 11 January 2007, 01:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
If you read my post you would have noticed I said between 6 and 6.5%. You conveniently took the highest figure for your own ends.

It doesn't matter diddly squat if I 'know what I'm talking about' or not. Inflation is rising and showing little signs of slowing (record xmas sales etc.) and thus interest rates will continue to rise.

Even if rates end up at 6.5% I still happily say I don't know what I'm talking about and you do. However I'd be right and you'd be wrong.....Let's have a little challenge to review in 12 months time. Who's closer to the rate. I say now, 6% as the non-expert. You as the expert say X% and surely you'll end up right, we shall see.

Let's face it, experts do NOT know. they suspect, they predict, they anticipate, they hope but they do NOT know as has been proven in the past. What were your last years predicitions for year end?
I didn't conveniently do anything, I just told you there is no way we will be 6.5 at year end as you suggested. If your post had just said 6% then I wouldn't even have bothered replying. I did reply though, because there are some people that really don't have a clue about rates, and suggesting to them we could be 6.5% by the year end is just so far out that it's misleading.

And if you want my call for the year end I'd say 5.75
Old 11 January 2007, 01:38 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
You don't know how much we have in savings or at what rate we are adding to them....
I have a hunch........

So we have the price of a new Carrera in the bank earning us almost 6%, and continue to add to it.
Old 11 January 2007, 01:44 PM
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Carrera GT or the shopping version?
Old 11 January 2007, 01:45 PM
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It's good for my pension and savings and I only have a bit left on my mortgage which will be paid soon.

It is however very bad for UK's heavy industry and manufacturing.

Cheers
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Old 11 January 2007, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by logiclee
UK's heavy industry and manufacturing.
Old 11 January 2007, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by jjones
well unless you live with mummy and daddy you will be paying rent, so i guess
not that much difference to someone with a mortgage.
It's not 'daddy' it's 'Dad'.
Old 11 January 2007, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
What's left of it then.

Cheers
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Old 11 January 2007, 02:14 PM
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Originally Posted by davyboy
I have a hunch........
Davyboy - Your SN tracking skills are second to none!

All I was saying is that the number of times we've wondered if we should have bought, it makes a change to not be worrying about it.

We've moved around an awful lot with various work so buying hasn't been a real option.

Right now, I'm happy to be as we are which makes a change.

I pity those totally mortgaged up to the hilt, which I'm sure none of you wise SN investors are...
Old 11 January 2007, 02:29 PM
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LOL

I feel like I am mortgaged up to the eyeballs - I have just asked to borrow more to spend on imporatant things like paying of credit cards, plasma screens, holidays, cars etc and my document tells me I am borrowing 75% of the value of the cost of the house.....and that looks scarey.
Old 11 January 2007, 02:39 PM
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The flood of cheap European labour has failed to curb inflation hey ,Oh how new labour wish they never gave control to the bank of England


Rising inflation,crumbling public services and taxes spiralling out of control, sounds like classic labour to me.
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The flood of cheap European labour has failed to curb inflation hey ,Oh how new labour wish they never gave control to the bank of England


Rising inflation,crumbling public services and taxes spiralling out of control, sounds like classic labour to me.
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Originally Posted by kingofturds
The flood of cheap European labour has failed to curb inflation hey ,Oh how new labour wish they never gave control to the bank of England


Rising inflation,crumbling public services and taxes spiralling out of control, sounds like classic labour to me.

It's also created a curious echo...
Old 11 January 2007, 02:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Matteeboy
A rare moment of being glad we rent and have some savings earning interest.
Until your landlord ups the rent to cover the increased cost of his borrowings
Old 11 January 2007, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by ///\oo/\\\
Until your landlord ups the rent to cover the increased cost of his borrowings

...of the house he completely owns?
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Originally Posted by TelBoy
Mervyn King's a ******
LOL Guess who went with the majority of analyst's views today then? Still you've got almost a year to get your bonus back on line Tel
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Originally Posted by logiclee
It's good for my pension and savings and I only have a bit left on my mortgage which will be paid soon.

It is however very bad for UK's heavy industry and manufacturing.

Cheers
Lee
Its bad news for 90% of british businesses period, given that they mostly fund cashflow through borrowings.

And as for the thread starter - Robin, you are such a hypocrite

If you had a mortgage you'd be ranting about Brown and his useless economic policies


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