Dracoro

Errrrr, the pitball IS outlawed. It is illegal to have one in the UK.

wrx_yank

and that is retarted!

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Dangerous Dogs Act 1991

1.—(1) This section applies to—
(a) any dog of the type known as the pit bull terrier;
(b) any dog of the type known as the Japanese tosa; and
(c) any dog of any type designated for the purposes of this section by an order of the Secretary of State, being a type appearing to him to be bred for fighting or to have the characteristics of a type bred for that purpose.
(2) No person shall—
(a) breed, or breed from, a dog to which this section applies;
(b) sell or exchange such a dog or offer, advertise or expose such a dog for sale or exchange;
(c) make or offer to make a gift of such a dog or advertise or expose such a dog as a gift;
(d) allow such a dog of which he is the owner or of which he is for the time being in charge to be in a public place without being muzzled and kept on a lead; or
(e) abandon such a dog of which he is the owner or, being the owner or for the time being in charge of such a dog, allow it to stray.
(3) After such day as the Secretary of State may by order appoint for the purposes of this subsection no person shall have any dog to which this section applies in his possession or custody except—
(a) in pursuance of the power of seizure conferred by the subsequent provisions of this Act; or
(b) in accordance with an order for its destruction made under those provisions;
but the Secretary of State shall by order make a scheme for the payment to the owners of such dogs who arrange for them to be destroyed before that day of sums specified in or determined under the scheme in respect of those dogs and the cost of their destruction.

1997 Amendments

1. - (1) In paragraph (a) of subsection (1) of section 4 (destruction and disqualification orders) of the Dangerous Dogs Act 1991 ("the 1991 Act"), after the words "committed and" there shall be inserted the words ", subject to subsection (1A) below,".

(2) After that subsection there shall be inserted the following subsection-

"(1A) Nothing in subsection (1)(a) above shall require the court to order the destruction of a dog if the court is satisfied-

(a) that the dog would not constitute a danger to public safety; and
(b) where the dog was born before 30th November 1991 and is subject to the prohibition in section 1(3) above, that there is a good reason why the dog has not been exempted from that prohibition."


Bottom line is that they are NOT a banned breed, but subject to restrictions.

BTW - Personally I think that any specific dogs bred for fighting or specifically for aggression should be destroyed, but not a particular breed per se.

Paul3446

According to the papers today, the owner of the dog that killed the 5 year old girl is a convicted drug dealer.

sarasquares

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BBC NEWS | Northern Ireland | Pit bulls handed over to council


*****Pit bulls handed over to council*****


Pit bull terriers have already been handed in and destroyed ahead of Northern Ireland's first amnesty.

Owners of the outlawed breed in Ballymena, County Antrim, have been given the whole of January to hand in the dogs without fear of prosecution.

The town council's dog warden, Nigel Devine, said two pit bulls had been left with the council.

Both of the animals were put down, although Mr Devine stressed neither appeared vicious.

Nine owners have asked him in advance to check their pets in case they had unwittingly been sold pit bulls - none of those examined turned out to be the illegal breed.

MooseRacer

BBC NEWS | England | Tyne | Dog captured after mauling boys


Yet another attack by a savage Retriever

sarasquares

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n the Newcastle incident, the black and white dog was spotted by police biting the six-year-old boy's buttock near shops at Burnside.

it was hardly trying to kill the boy

MooseRacer

A 10-year-old boy had already been bitten by a Staffordshire Bull Terrier-type dog which later attacked a six-year-old boy.

Right. Whatever. Glad you knowit was only playing lol

Leslie

These manly types who feel they have to own a pitbull to impress us all should get it in the neck for breaking the law.

Les

sarasquares

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you was talking about a 'savage retriever' in the other post thats why i highlighted it biting the boy on the bum.

i admit that lots of breeds are capable of serious injury. but the Pits are bread to fight dogs to the death. as they are now owned by mindless thug types they have been bred with very worrying 'desirable' traits.
why would you want to defend the breed is beyond me. they are an unsafe and unreliable breed because of the ignorant tossers that breed them.
i do agreee that any dog that attacks a child should be destroyed. the people that own the Pits have flouted the laws and made the breed dangerous....


The Law

The DDA 1991 contained two main sections:
Section 1 of the Act stipulated that owners of the ‘type of dog known as a pit bull terrier’ and three other breeds (Japanese tosa, Dogo Argentino and Fila Braziliero) had to fulfil certain strict requirements. These included keeping the dog muzzled and on a lead at all times in a public place, having the dog insured and neutered with the aim of the breeds becoming extinct in the UK. Owners of these dogs were not permitted to give away or sell their dogs and any dog of a prescribed breed or type had to fulfil all of the requirements of the DDA 1991 by November 1991 or would become illegal. Owners were also given the option of accepting a token compensation from the government for having their dogs voluntarily destroyed. Individuals of these breeds were and still are banned from being imported into Britain.
The second part of the DDA 1991, Section 3, affects all dogs regardless of breed. It makes it a criminal offence to allow a dog to be dangerously out of control in a public place. This includes any instance during which an injury of any sort occurs or there is a fear that an injury might occur.
Under the DDA 1991, owners convicted of having either an ‘illegal dog’ or a dog which has injured a person for any reason, no matter how minor the injury, could have received a criminal record, up to £5000 fine and up to six months in prison. The dog would have been destroyed.

STi wanna Subaru

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Sarcasm luv

sarasquares

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i am not sure what point you are trying to make.............

i am not saying that the PIt Bull is the only breed of dog that is dangerous, just that a law was passed and should now be implemented

Paul3446

As far as I understand it this was implemented by the Tories and watered down by Labour.

16vmarc

IMO whatever a dog does is the owners fault. A dog like a Pit Bull should be controlled by the owner and any that attacks someone is entirely the owners fault. A dog put with a child is like putting it against a rival and thats what they see them as. I have no sympathy for people who leave dogs unattended around children. The owners should be prosecuted and the dogs removed, but not destroyed unless they really are mental.

Chris L

But all recent events have shown that just passing a law doesn't actually make any difference if people choose to ignore it - couple with the fact that it is very difficult to implement and police.

A couple of things to consider - what happened was a terible thing, but we should be pleased that it still makes headline news - this shows what a rare event it is.

It is very difficult to tar all dogs of a certain breed (and owners for that matter) with the same brush and say ban them.

The Dangerous Dogs Act was a terrible piece of knee jerk legislation that plainly hasn't worked. Just as the restrictions placed on gun ownership after Dunblane have done nothing to reduce gun crime (it has gone up every year since Dunblane) - these acts have failed to address the root cause of the problem.

It's also interesting how our views of certain dogs have changed. As an ex-owner of a Staffie, I know how many people view them and in my opinion it is often misguided. That isn't to say that there are some nasty dogs out there. That can be applied to any breed. I also know that the Victorians made extensive use of Staffies as child minders, because they are so good with children!

So will banning a particular breed help? I can't see that it will. A lot of this does come down to the owners and how they treat and train the animals. There should be more control on who is allowed to own these dogs.

However unfortunately I think you will always have some incidents like this no matter what restrictions you have in place. Unless you ban dog ownership full stop, I can't see that you can ever guarantee this not happening again. I think that is very unlikely to happen.

The Zohan

Well said.

If people had not continued to breed this sort of dog then this would not have happened in the instance. the Dangerous Doghs act came in in 1991.

All dogs have the capacity to be dangerous for all sorts of reasons, pitbulls and fighting dogs were bred for a specific purpose - fighting. This can be reflected in their temperment.

Also true is bad onwers make bad dogs, combine the two and then you have a real recipie for trouble.

There are a lot of good dogs and owners out there, sadly there are people who make a concious choice to keep an illegal dog and the results of this can be fatal.

My sympathies the the family of the little girl at this time.

Matteeboy

As far as I know it's illegal to breed Pit Bulls and the like but many still do.
I may be wrong?

I love dogs to bits but a lot of these recent attacks seem to be from a very small number of "dangerous" breeds.

Another dog I'm wary of (having had two in my family) are collies.
Lovely and very bright but very highly strung and unpredictable.

Jonno_johnson

Your a fool, staffies are a very friendly breed, and love humans, so one has bitten someone before, name a dog that hasn't ive never heard of a staffie killing a human before, they are loving and loyal.

STi wanna Subaru

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As I understand it the Pitt Bull breed was first bred by Muslims as an animal to kill all infidels. They were since brought to the Uk by Asylum seekers and darkies! so the Daily Mail told me anyway.

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The Zohan

Staffies have one of the best reputations.

Safe Dog Breeds for Children: SaferPets

sarasquares

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at last!! someone gets my point, the fact it is a moderator is even more shocking

the breed has been ruined by mindless thuggery. if the law had been properly enforced in the first place we wouldnt be having this discussion now.

any dog that attacks another person should be destroyed no matter what the breed.

what really pisses me off is when a child has been seriousley injured or killed the neighbours always say..............'we knew it would attack a someone sooner or later...' WTF dont they do something about it before it happens?

sarasquares

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i owned my Staff for 8 years before i had to give her up as she was stolen from me twice. the second time she was taken by travellers. i found her a home on here and her new owner has had her for three years now

i had her before and after my daughter was born and she was a fantastic pet, but saying that i would never have left her alone with my child. i bet the owners of the dog that killed the child said that the dog loved the girl and would never have hurt her...............

16vmarc

Surely theres circumstances though?

r32

In the last year there were 68,000 recorded dog related injuries (which needed hospital treatment) 37,000 which happened in the home and 31,000 injuries which happened outside.

Startling figures.
The Pitt Bull in question was already under investigation for attacks on other people.

sarasquares

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of course, every dog attack should be judged on its own merits, but an outlawed dog is another matter.
the Pit Bulls have been outlawed for a reason. ok so the law was full of holes and never worked but it doesnt change the facts as to why it was implemented in the first place

The Zohan

Pi$$ poor system full of holes that allowed a little girl to be killed by this dog, i cannot imagine the terror and pain she must have felt poor little soul.

'Under investigation' should mean locked up off of the streets until proved to not be a problem. Weak laws enforced by weak people. the outcome in this case is thew worst there can be!

MooseRacer

Chris L

Taken from the BBC website:

"According to figures released in September, there are more than 1,000 pit bull terriers owned legally under the Dangerous Dogs Act in England.

Chris Laurence, veterinary director of the Dogs Trust, believes it is pit bulls' new standing as a macho status symbol for young men that has been a major reason behind recent attacks.

"Like any dog, it comes down to the way they're trained and taught," he said.

"The problem is not with the breed. They're bred to be aggressive to other dogs but not to humans, and are very obedient.

"But sadly, they're now being trained to growl and show aggression, because it's a macho dog to own and if they're kept in a kennel outside, not interacting with humans and not being supervised around children, it's a recipe for disaster.

"If they are properly trained, however, they're no more likely to bite you than a Jack Russell." "

sarasquares

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i disagree in part there...
these days you cant be sure a Pit Bull is properly trained as they have unreliable traits bred into them. the newage owners want them to be agressive towards humans. if you buy a pub from one of these dogs you may have a ticking time bomb on your hands, or around your childs throat.

*Sonic*

I did say this last night on the thread regarding that story

he is a known local drug dealer and used to live about a mile from my house until driven out by the council for dealing drugs

the dog was 12 months old, something he got to protect his drugs in the house

I doubt he will get convicted because he will show all the distress of losing his neice by his drug guard dog