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Sequential
Manual
Gearbox
Steering wheel operated changes in other words

Tripple'O G

Like the flappy-paddle?

bbigman2000

correct, most of the late ones were smg's.

austen, yes Ive owned them all.

Tripple'O G

Thanks for the help.

Stay away from the flapy.....well....the flaps on car anyway

bbigman2000

Agreed buddy, ive got paddles on my RS6 but the audi system is much better than the BMW item, get a 6 speed manual bud, you wont go wrong.

Tripple'O G

Robbie T

iTrader: (8)

FWIW the sport has m-tech suspension so is a bit firmer than the standard 328

Edit - Apparently the SMG's are complete **** and to be avoided at all costs, you should find plenty of late standard six-speed EVO's about

Mike123

On the E36 saloons you can also get the M-tech suspension as an option.
Only real difference on the Sports is the Bilstein gas shocks and eccentric rear wishbone bushes which give extra caster and 10mm extra wheelbase.
You also get the 17" BBS alloys.
All those things can be fitted to any E36 328 though.

Most E36 328s will have fairly tired suspension and bushes by now if they haven't been replaced and will feel "sloppy" on the road/in corners etc.

Wouldn't have said they were particularly slow though - all tested at about mid 6 seconds to 60, about 17.5ish to a 100 and a top whack of about 141/142. Still Ok for a GT type car - the engine was deliberately "strangled" for German tax reasons - would maybe have been over 200bhp if they hadn't used the 2 litre inlet manifold.

Obviously not as fast as a 200bhp plus Subaru - a big six is not going to "feel" as quick as a turbo car though even if it was similar power

Edcase

Austen, I have had the same conversation with Mr. Big for weeks now, having just sold out of the RS6 for my M5. I think he just makes these post specifically to wind me up now

Edcase

Utter, utter claptrap. See my other thread with independent figures that prove the M5 is significantly faster 0-140mph by an order of a couple of seconds.

rossi_classicwrx

I've driven both but i haven't owned either. I found the rs6 to be much more of a performace car than the older m5 but i also found the m5 to be a lot more comfortable and refined for long journeys etc. The m5 was more of an executive performance car in that order but the rs6 was definatly a better performing car. If i could afford to own and run one aswell as my other vehicles at the moment i would get the rs6. But and its a but BUT if your considering the new M5 in the equation.. then thats a whole different story!! That car is a true animal aswell as being everything else its supposed to be. After driving one of those it is now a car that i will be aiming for as one of my next cars although it will be a few years off. The new M5 i believe is a league ahead of the rs6 but that is purely my opinion and everyone else is entitled to theres!!

Edcase

*sigh*

I'm sorry but I just can't understand how anybody can think a near-2-tonne, 4WD, turbo'd, auto-box car with the entire engine block ahead of the front axle is more of a performance car than a naturally aspirated 400bhp, RWD, gearboxed car with 50/50 weight distribution!

I am one of the lucky few who actually has not only owned both cars, but had them both at the same time for several months.

The Audi is hysterically fast 0-30, on to 60 etc, and also on kickdown when flooring it, but after stepping immediately from one into the other, it's all just perception from the effect of the twin turbos. By the time the car kicks down and takes a big gulp of air / spins up the turbos, the M5 has already seamlessly taken off thanks to its huge naturally aspirated engine and buckets of torque.

The Independent 0-60, 0-100 and 0-140 figures also show them to be equally matched to 100, then the M5 pulls away.

Also, you simply cannot call the RS6 a 'performance car' in anything other than a straight line. The M5 is one of if not the best handling car I have ever owned for fast A and B road driving, and having taken it on track last weekend I can also assure you it is utterly fantastic there too. How many RS6's do you see on track? Precisely, because its a pointless exercise.

Its frustrating being forced to tell people this kind of stuff because it looks as though I am slagging off a car that I truly love and enjoyed owning, but the simple fact of the matter is that it is NOT *ANYWHERE* near the M5 in terms of driver involvement or 10/10's sporting ability.

Every motoring journalist in the world agrees so don't just take my word for it.

Edcase

Also many of the ex-E39 M5 owners from the M forums who have gone on to test the new E60 M5 have been left feeling very disappointed. Yes it's outrageously quick but apparently also very sterile as a driving experience coupled with some hilariously poor fuel consumption and not everyone likes the SMG box.

Tripple'O G

So getting away from the M5 bit, would an M3 EVO S'reg without SMG be a good swap for my Bugeye.....

Edcase

YouTube - Alpina B10 V8S & Audi RS6 & BMW E39 M5

Here we go. The RS6 clearly moves away before the others, yet at the end if you look at the line on the floor, the M5 is catching up, as the INDEPENDENT GPS VERIFIED TIMING IN OTHER CAR MAGAZINES ALSO VERIFIES.

Once again, this journalist as well as Clarkson, EVO etc. agrees at the end of the piece that the M5 comes out on top.

Don't get me started on the RS6 ride, inability to cope with bumpy roads, handling in the 'twisties'. Who cares about going fast in a straight line in an armchair??? Not me.

Yawn.

Robbie T

iTrader: (8)

Agree, the sport bits can be fitted to any 328 but if not i'm sure there would be a large difference. The BBS' are 245 wide at the rear!

I wouldn't say slow either, those figures are very believable. In standard 'restricted' form 194bhp and with the larger throttle body 200bhp is possible.

alloy

No

Tripple'O G

Thanks a....

Edcase

I spent nearly 15k modifying my old bugeye from new but it reached a point where it was like a scalextric. Effective but no fun.

Never driven the old Evo, beware of abused examples and it hasn't quite the reputation of its predecessor, nor the E46, but yes, it should prove a very different and fun change from the WRX

Tripple'O G

Ok many thanks......i'm going to look at it in a week or so......somewhere between Reading and London so if anyone fancies giving it a look over it me much appreciated

austen_wrx

LOL!!!

I think that puts pay to a lot of the argument !!

Also i think the pair if you are arguing different things here and infact you are both right! The M5 driven by someone who knows how to drive is obviously a superior handling and faster car when more than straightline speed and a heavy right foot is needed, where as a ham fisted fool would be flattered by the 4 wheel drive Audi and would obviously be faster than when he was attempting to drive the BMW.

Case closed!

Edcase

Also have a chat with the guys on bm3w.co.uk

gazmcd

Better be quick it's going soon

Edcase

I think Matt has given a stay of execution for a bit, so fingers crossed!

gazmcd

Hope so it's a good forum.

Ed

What the plan for your M5 you keeping it for a while?

Matteeboy

In quick defense of the M5 (vs the RS6).

I held off an RS6 for about 8 miles on proper twisty A roads in my old Golf R32.

Now I'm not some stupid chav that races anything and I knew I had about half the power BUT I also knew that the RS6 is VERY heavy and smiled to myself as I heard it's twin turbo'd V8 bellowing to try and keep up.

Of course on the straights (of which there were few) he was right up my jacksy but on the twisties, he just couldn't carry the speed around the corners - Agility won.

Now I've not driven an M5 - The closest is probably a 535d or a new 750i (tested it for a national newspaper) and they simply shrink around you.
The 750i could be flung around like a hot hatch - It was so nimble and the engine just kept on pulling

It's heavier than an M5 (a bit) and gives away a bit of power (370ish to 400bhp) but the overall feel was of a 100% sorted chassis.

I have yet to drive a modern Audi that inspires an sort of handling confidence.
A mate has just got a new RS4 (and it getting it supercharged once MTM sort it out) and I'll be insured on it but even then I'm not totally confident in what it will feel like despite Audis attempts to sort it (lighter front end, engine further back, 40/60 front/rear 4WD, etc).

So my money is on the M5 which I prefer the to new one.

JohnHamer1977

hi mate...
i've known bbig for a few years now and he won't be hiding for any reason.
he changes his cars like the weather and is well known to buy and sell a lot of toys, I have seen massive bhp supras, that nissan z thing, a few scoobs and evo's etc, few models of beemer and even a volvo from memory.
i know the guy from bodybuilding, he's trained up some top competitors and is very scientific especially knowlage of biology and nutrition so apart from the way he looks he is not your typical meathead.

anyway... back to cars
are the buy eye's boring then? would a classic be better fun wise?

Tripple'O G

Not boring but like it's been said, i've thrown serious money at it and even though it's fantastic for what it is......I just feel like something a little more usable....as standard

bbigman2000

heh cheers John, Ive about given up on this one

At the end of the day, it all comes down to driver skill
as to whether you can bully an RS6 or an M5 through a
set of twisties faster.

Here is a video of a M5 getting waisted by a Standard RS6
and the M5 has some mods taking it to 420bhp.

RS6 VS M5 - Google Video

Edcase

LMAO! You are too funny!

That's the least scientific test I've ever seen and anyone that is not totally blinkered like you obviously are will see:

a) the Audi gets his foot flat to the floor before the M5,
b) the guy in the M5 hits the limiter at least three times, in both 3rd AND 4 th gear
c) he then despite the Audi pulling away because he accelerate first, then pins the distance to equal in a notably short distance and then at the very end just before the Audi brakes you can see he is pulling back.

See also the start line sprint in my link above, where the Audi should have an even greater advantage getting off the line, it only pulls half a car length and then the M5 starts pulling back!

Keep it coming mate, I'm sure you can find some better examples.