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Originally Posted by Rannoch
Even BMW think Audis are fabulous 
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Audi has the same sentiments
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Originally Posted by Blow Dog
HAHAH - for a minute there I thought you were comparing an A6 Diesel with an RS6.
It was a joke right? AM I RITE?! LOLZ
It was a joke right? AM I RITE?! LOLZ
. Yes, I was comparing the two cars. They use the same body shell and therefore offer the same level of practicality. The diesel offers more than adequate performance day to day while the chances of using all of the RS6's ridiculous power are few and far between. Second gear pushes you to the national motorway speed limit, third gear takes you into licence losing speeds and fourth sends you to jail. The 4wd and traction control remove the need for any driver skill. Please explain to me the relevence of this car in our congested, camera-plagued world?
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^^ Its called germany, and its a german car Hence its relevant.
Anyway lol at the subaru advert which I did know about, but funnily enough subaru won some award that no ones ever heard of before, whilst audi/vw and bmw both won 2006 engine of the year awards in different categories.
Hence its relevant.Anyway lol at the subaru advert which I did know about, but funnily enough subaru won some award that no ones ever heard of before, whilst audi/vw and bmw both won 2006 engine of the year awards in different categories.
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Originally Posted by Blueblaster
I was actually trying to turn this thread into a grown up discussion, but once again the mere mention of a vehicle that doesn't have a stupid power output results in lots of pathetic comments .
Yes, I was comparing the two cars. They use the same body shell and therefore offer the same level of practicality. The diesel offers more than adequate performance day to day while the chances of using all of the RS6's ridiculous power are few and far between. Second gear pushes you to the national motorway speed limit, third gear takes you into licence losing speeds and fourth sends you to jail. The 4wd and traction control remove the need for any driver skill. Please explain to me the relevence of this car in our congested, camera-plagued world?
. Yes, I was comparing the two cars. They use the same body shell and therefore offer the same level of practicality. The diesel offers more than adequate performance day to day while the chances of using all of the RS6's ridiculous power are few and far between. Second gear pushes you to the national motorway speed limit, third gear takes you into licence losing speeds and fourth sends you to jail. The 4wd and traction control remove the need for any driver skill. Please explain to me the relevence of this car in our congested, camera-plagued world?
I also take the car regularly to the mountains...wales, scotland, french alps, in all kinds of weather and full of gear. The load space, power and traction are a perfect combination and the extra interior luxury and toys make it an ideal place to be whilst soaking up the universal looks of admiration and respect from other road users.
I had the diesel A6 and A4 as courtesy cars, and frankly they were horrid. FWD (believe me the 4wd is better than the FWD especially on the diesel which causes traction issues when the slug of torque kicks in) and with no soul.
Trust me, the RS6 is possible one of the most relevant cars in the world. It does everything well. You don't have to wriing it's neck all the time just because it has all that power. For example, its probably the safest car in the world for joining the flow of traffic, or turning across a road, which is one of the most frequent accident types in the world.
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Originally Posted by Edcase
Believe me, I get to use all of the power plenty often enough without being anti-social, dangerous, or getting even a single point on my license.
I also take the car regularly to the mountains...wales, scotland, french alps, in all kinds of weather and full of gear. The load space, power and traction are a perfect combination and the extra interior luxury and toys make it an ideal place to be whilst soaking up the universal looks of admiration and respect from other road users.
I had the diesel A6 and A4 as courtesy cars, and frankly they were horrid. FWD (believe me the 4wd is better than the FWD especially on the diesel which causes traction issues when the slug of torque kicks in) and with no soul.
Trust me, the RS6 is possible one of the most relevant cars in the world. It does everything well. You don't have to wriing it's neck all the time just because it has all that power. For example, its probably the safest car in the world for joining the flow of traffic, or turning across a road, which is one of the most frequent accident types in the world.
I also take the car regularly to the mountains...wales, scotland, french alps, in all kinds of weather and full of gear. The load space, power and traction are a perfect combination and the extra interior luxury and toys make it an ideal place to be whilst soaking up the universal looks of admiration and respect from other road users.
I had the diesel A6 and A4 as courtesy cars, and frankly they were horrid. FWD (believe me the 4wd is better than the FWD especially on the diesel which causes traction issues when the slug of torque kicks in) and with no soul.
Trust me, the RS6 is possible one of the most relevant cars in the world. It does everything well. You don't have to wriing it's neck all the time just because it has all that power. For example, its probably the safest car in the world for joining the flow of traffic, or turning across a road, which is one of the most frequent accident types in the world.
If you take your car on long trips around Europe with loads of gear in all weathers then that is probably justification enough for this type of car. But with respect, how many owners do you think follow your lead. Not very many I am prepared to wager.
I am glad you don't have a single point on your licence - that's less money for To$$er Brown. But that was never my point. Neither was speed that is dangerous or anti-social. Contrary to what a lot of Scoobynetters might think, I have blasted around Europe with the best of em and think most of our speed-based traffic laws are utter nonsense. But the fact remains that those are the laws we have to work with and if we break them the penalties are very harsh indeed. The RS6 is so massively capable and fast that within 15 seconds you are at prison sentence speeds. For me, those 15 seconds would mean the loss of my job, my home and everything I have worked for. What would 3 months in the slammer do for your livelihood?
If the rumours are correct then the new RS6 will have 600bhp - an increase of 30%. Other than being a boost to one's ego, please someone explain the relevence of this performance increase? That was after all the point I originally made. The forthcoming car will be even more irrelevent. And while you are at it, maybe you could explain what the RS6 can do over a WRX 5-door. I appreciate they are not exactly fighting it out in the same sector of the market, but your point about the RS6's performance being a safety benefit is only true up to a point. A standard Scooby can do the same thing. If you disagree with that and believe that you NEED RS6 performance to negociate the traffic then I would suggest that you are a dangerous driver. Calling on 450bhp to cross roads and join traffic flows does not suggest you are good at judging the traffic around you. Do you not think it might be SAFER to wait for a bigger gap in the traffic before hurtling into it?
What I do find interesting is that everyone tries to justify these stupidly powerful cars using some flawed rationale. Not one person has said, "I bought this car because I wanted it and because it is my money I can do what I like with it, so sod off". That is the sort of argument I can understand and would not have to spend my valuable time critising.
You just don't NEED 600bhp. Fact.
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Originally Posted by Blueblaster
As usual, every thread I contribute to turns out to be me vs the rest of the world. I can live with those odds.
If you take your car on long trips around Europe with loads of gear in all weathers then that is probably justification enough for this type of car. But with respect, how many owners do you think follow your lead. Not very many I am prepared to wager.
I am glad you don't have a single point on your licence - that's less money for To$$er Brown. But that was never my point. Neither was speed that is dangerous or anti-social. Contrary to what a lot of Scoobynetters might think, I have blasted around Europe with the best of em and think most of our speed-based traffic laws are utter nonsense. But the fact remains that those are the laws we have to work with and if we break them the penalties are very harsh indeed. The RS6 is so massively capable and fast that within 15 seconds you are at prison sentence speeds. For me, those 15 seconds would mean the loss of my job, my home and everything I have worked for. What would 3 months in the slammer do for your livelihood?
If the rumours are correct then the new RS6 will have 600bhp - an increase of 30%. Other than being a boost to one's ego, please someone explain the relevence of this performance increase? That was after all the point I originally made. The forthcoming car will be even more irrelevent. And while you are at it, maybe you could explain what the RS6 can do over a WRX 5-door. I appreciate they are not exactly fighting it out in the same sector of the market, but your point about the RS6's performance being a safety benefit is only true up to a point. A standard Scooby can do the same thing. If you disagree with that and believe that you NEED RS6 performance to negociate the traffic then I would suggest that you are a dangerous driver. Calling on 450bhp to cross roads and join traffic flows does not suggest you are good at judging the traffic around you. Do you not think it might be SAFER to wait for a bigger gap in the traffic before hurtling into it?
What I do find interesting is that everyone tries to justify these stupidly powerful cars using some flawed rationale. Not one person has said, "I bought this car because I wanted it and because it is my money I can do what I like with it, so sod off". That is the sort of argument I can understand and would not have to spend my valuable time critising.
You just don't NEED 600bhp. Fact.
If you take your car on long trips around Europe with loads of gear in all weathers then that is probably justification enough for this type of car. But with respect, how many owners do you think follow your lead. Not very many I am prepared to wager.
I am glad you don't have a single point on your licence - that's less money for To$$er Brown. But that was never my point. Neither was speed that is dangerous or anti-social. Contrary to what a lot of Scoobynetters might think, I have blasted around Europe with the best of em and think most of our speed-based traffic laws are utter nonsense. But the fact remains that those are the laws we have to work with and if we break them the penalties are very harsh indeed. The RS6 is so massively capable and fast that within 15 seconds you are at prison sentence speeds. For me, those 15 seconds would mean the loss of my job, my home and everything I have worked for. What would 3 months in the slammer do for your livelihood?
If the rumours are correct then the new RS6 will have 600bhp - an increase of 30%. Other than being a boost to one's ego, please someone explain the relevence of this performance increase? That was after all the point I originally made. The forthcoming car will be even more irrelevent. And while you are at it, maybe you could explain what the RS6 can do over a WRX 5-door. I appreciate they are not exactly fighting it out in the same sector of the market, but your point about the RS6's performance being a safety benefit is only true up to a point. A standard Scooby can do the same thing. If you disagree with that and believe that you NEED RS6 performance to negociate the traffic then I would suggest that you are a dangerous driver. Calling on 450bhp to cross roads and join traffic flows does not suggest you are good at judging the traffic around you. Do you not think it might be SAFER to wait for a bigger gap in the traffic before hurtling into it?
What I do find interesting is that everyone tries to justify these stupidly powerful cars using some flawed rationale. Not one person has said, "I bought this car because I wanted it and because it is my money I can do what I like with it, so sod off". That is the sort of argument I can understand and would not have to spend my valuable time critising.
You just don't NEED 600bhp. Fact.
For someone who appears to be anti-speed, anti-performance and anti-power, you really are preaching to the wrong crowd here. I will grant you that 90% of these cars that go to owners will never be used within the correct context. But you are criticising the 10% that probably WILL use the cars as intended.
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I bought my RS6 because I wanted it and because it is my money I can do what I like with it, so sod off
What Ed probably means about the safety and joining the traffic is the INSTANT rush of power no matter where you are in the revs. You are upto speed in seconds so smoothly.
I have had 2 scoobs and they have both been great fun, but to get the power from the last MY03 STi I had you had to rag it. It was definately not a smooth ride.
Lag, lag, lag, go, was the way it went, not a smooth ride and a constant source of arguments from the wife for the jerky ride and now we have a little one I didn't want him to be flug about in the back.
Now I can leave all your scoobs at the lights from the comfort of my Recaro armchairs, the wife watching TV and the boy asleep in the back so no moaning yet I still get my torque thrills.
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What Ed probably means about the safety and joining the traffic is the INSTANT rush of power no matter where you are in the revs. You are upto speed in seconds so smoothly.
I have had 2 scoobs and they have both been great fun, but to get the power from the last MY03 STi I had you had to rag it. It was definately not a smooth ride.
Lag, lag, lag, go, was the way it went, not a smooth ride and a constant source of arguments from the wife for the jerky ride and now we have a little one I didn't want him to be flug about in the back.
Now I can leave all your scoobs at the lights from the comfort of my Recaro armchairs, the wife watching TV and the boy asleep in the back so no moaning
yet I still get my torque thrills.Phil
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Phillip,
Nice one, that is the right sort of attitude. Tell me it's a free country and you can buy what you damn well like. Good man.
I am far from anti-everything as you suggest. What I constantly try to explain is that maximum power does not equal maximum fun. The original mini was an absolute hoot to drive because it's limits were so accessible. Throwing an even more powerful engine into an even bigger mountain of electronically controlled metal does not increase the fun, particularly when the speed limits are going down rather than up. I am not suggesting we all go out and buy Caterham Superlight's, but I am suggesting that people look beyond the headline grabbing power figures. I bought my STI because I needed 4wd, didn't want a 4x4 and didn't want to be over charged for something made in Germany. It turned out to be so boring it is unbelievable. People are so interested in looking good and having more horse power than the next wally that they are missing out on some really cracking drives at sensible prices.
Nice one, that is the right sort of attitude. Tell me it's a free country and you can buy what you damn well like. Good man.
Originally Posted by Blow Dog
Can I ask exactly what you're doing on a performance car forum?
For someone who appears to be anti-speed, anti-performance and anti-power, you really are preaching to the wrong crowd here. I will grant you that 90% of these cars that go to owners will never be used within the correct context. But you are criticising the 10% that probably WILL use the cars as intended.
For someone who appears to be anti-speed, anti-performance and anti-power, you really are preaching to the wrong crowd here. I will grant you that 90% of these cars that go to owners will never be used within the correct context. But you are criticising the 10% that probably WILL use the cars as intended.
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Originally Posted by Blueblaster
Phillip,
Nice one, that is the right sort of attitude. Tell me it's a free country and you can buy what you damn well like. Good man.
I am far from anti-everything as you suggest. What I constantly try to explain is that maximum power does not equal maximum fun. The original mini was an absolute hoot to drive because it's limits were so accessible. Throwing an even more powerful engine into an even bigger mountain of electronically controlled metal does not increase the fun, particularly when the speed limits are going down rather than up. I am not suggesting we all go out and buy Caterham Superlight's, but I am suggesting that people look beyond the headline grabbing power figures. I bought my STI because I needed 4wd, didn't want a 4x4 and didn't want to be over charged for something made in Germany. It turned out to be so boring it is unbelievable. People are so interested in looking good and having more horse power than the next wally that they are missing out on some really cracking drives at sensible prices.
Nice one, that is the right sort of attitude. Tell me it's a free country and you can buy what you damn well like. Good man.
I am far from anti-everything as you suggest. What I constantly try to explain is that maximum power does not equal maximum fun. The original mini was an absolute hoot to drive because it's limits were so accessible. Throwing an even more powerful engine into an even bigger mountain of electronically controlled metal does not increase the fun, particularly when the speed limits are going down rather than up. I am not suggesting we all go out and buy Caterham Superlight's, but I am suggesting that people look beyond the headline grabbing power figures. I bought my STI because I needed 4wd, didn't want a 4x4 and didn't want to be over charged for something made in Germany. It turned out to be so boring it is unbelievable. People are so interested in looking good and having more horse power than the next wally that they are missing out on some really cracking drives at sensible prices.
I'm not criticising your free choice, but it does give me a better picture of this discussion.
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blowdog is trying to insert some old audi sterotype into this discussion. The new and current A6 is arguably class leading, unless your a racing driver who takes his 5er to the track every weekend.
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Originally Posted by Blow Dog
Just so I'm clear, you bought an STI, found it boring and now gain excitement from a 2.0 A6?
I'm not criticising your free choice, but it does give me a better picture of this discussion.
I'm not criticising your free choice, but it does give me a better picture of this discussion.
I never said I bought an A6. The STI is boring because it only provides driver involvement at dangerous speeds. My point about the A6 is that a middle of the range model will do 95% of what an RS6 can do on the road. Unless of course you want to risk your licence. If you really must go faster then the S6 is more than you will ever really need while the RS6 is just total excess. That in itself is enough reason to buy the RS6, but it doesn't detract from the fact that, unless you are prepared to risk a serious altercation with the law, that level of insulated performance is pointless.
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
blowdog is trying to insert some old audi sterotype into this discussion. The new and current A6 is arguably class leading, unless your a racing driver who takes his 5er to the track every weekend.
I'm just trying to show that regardless of what car we're talking about, it's 100% the driver. If someone wants to drive like an idiot, he'll do so - whether it's in an RS6 or an A6.
I drive my 2.0 diesel golf in the same way I drive my 'performance' cars. Which I guess makes ME the idiot
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Originally Posted by Blueblaster
As usual, every thread I contribute to turns out to be me vs the rest of the world. I can live with those odds.
If you take your car on long trips around Europe with loads of gear in all weathers then that is probably justification enough for this type of car. But with respect, how many owners do you think follow your lead. Not very many I am prepared to wager.
I am glad you don't have a single point on your licence - that's less money for To$$er Brown. But that was never my point. Neither was speed that is dangerous or anti-social. Contrary to what a lot of Scoobynetters might think, I have blasted around Europe with the best of em and think most of our speed-based traffic laws are utter nonsense. But the fact remains that those are the laws we have to work with and if we break them the penalties are very harsh indeed. The RS6 is so massively capable and fast that within 15 seconds you are at prison sentence speeds. For me, those 15 seconds would mean the loss of my job, my home and everything I have worked for. What would 3 months in the slammer do for your livelihood?
If the rumours are correct then the new RS6 will have 600bhp - an increase of 30%. Other than being a boost to one's ego, please someone explain the relevence of this performance increase? That was after all the point I originally made. The forthcoming car will be even more irrelevent. And while you are at it, maybe you could explain what the RS6 can do over a WRX 5-door. I appreciate they are not exactly fighting it out in the same sector of the market, but your point about the RS6's performance being a safety benefit is only true up to a point. A standard Scooby can do the same thing. If you disagree with that and believe that you NEED RS6 performance to negociate the traffic then I would suggest that you are a dangerous driver. Calling on 450bhp to cross roads and join traffic flows does not suggest you are good at judging the traffic around you. Do you not think it might be SAFER to wait for a bigger gap in the traffic before hurtling into it?
What I do find interesting is that everyone tries to justify these stupidly powerful cars using some flawed rationale. Not one person has said, "I bought this car because I wanted it and because it is my money I can do what I like with it, so sod off". That is the sort of argument I can understand and would not have to spend my valuable time critising.
You just don't NEED 600bhp. Fact.
If you take your car on long trips around Europe with loads of gear in all weathers then that is probably justification enough for this type of car. But with respect, how many owners do you think follow your lead. Not very many I am prepared to wager.
I am glad you don't have a single point on your licence - that's less money for To$$er Brown. But that was never my point. Neither was speed that is dangerous or anti-social. Contrary to what a lot of Scoobynetters might think, I have blasted around Europe with the best of em and think most of our speed-based traffic laws are utter nonsense. But the fact remains that those are the laws we have to work with and if we break them the penalties are very harsh indeed. The RS6 is so massively capable and fast that within 15 seconds you are at prison sentence speeds. For me, those 15 seconds would mean the loss of my job, my home and everything I have worked for. What would 3 months in the slammer do for your livelihood?
If the rumours are correct then the new RS6 will have 600bhp - an increase of 30%. Other than being a boost to one's ego, please someone explain the relevence of this performance increase? That was after all the point I originally made. The forthcoming car will be even more irrelevent. And while you are at it, maybe you could explain what the RS6 can do over a WRX 5-door. I appreciate they are not exactly fighting it out in the same sector of the market, but your point about the RS6's performance being a safety benefit is only true up to a point. A standard Scooby can do the same thing. If you disagree with that and believe that you NEED RS6 performance to negociate the traffic then I would suggest that you are a dangerous driver. Calling on 450bhp to cross roads and join traffic flows does not suggest you are good at judging the traffic around you. Do you not think it might be SAFER to wait for a bigger gap in the traffic before hurtling into it?
What I do find interesting is that everyone tries to justify these stupidly powerful cars using some flawed rationale. Not one person has said, "I bought this car because I wanted it and because it is my money I can do what I like with it, so sod off". That is the sort of argument I can understand and would not have to spend my valuable time critising.
You just don't NEED 600bhp. Fact.
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BTW just come back from a drive around surrey (dorking, leith hill etc.).
VERY wet, sport mode on, traction control off. The M5 just gets better and better. I was going to take the RS because of the rain but I'm glad I didn't. You just cannot beat a well balanced RWD car, even one that weighs 1600kg.
VERY wet, sport mode on, traction control off. The M5 just gets better and better. I was going to take the RS because of the rain but I'm glad I didn't. You just cannot beat a well balanced RWD car, even one that weighs 1600kg.
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Originally Posted by Blueblaster
I bought my STI because I needed 4wd, didn't want a 4x4 and didn't want to be over charged for something made in Germany.
To a certain extent I agree with one of your outlooks - (IMHO) there is absolutely no need for more than 200bhp in an average saloon car for purely road use. However, having run 500bhp in a sub 1200kg RWD sports car and craved more power I can understand only too well that it is possible to enjoy a lot more performance.
Ultimately everyone should be able to choose to drive whatever they like without having to justify it - their money, their choice.
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Thing is with cars like the RS6 and M5, it's not *just* about power. It's a 'flagship' and tries to push the envelope in every area, not just power.
Brakes, dynamic ride control, suspension, interior finish...if you're questioning the point of any of this then you may as well question the point of anyone driving any car other than a square grey blandmobile.
Brakes, dynamic ride control, suspension, interior finish...if you're questioning the point of any of this then you may as well question the point of anyone driving any car other than a square grey blandmobile.
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Originally Posted by Robertio
Surely using your previously stated rationale you should have bought a Sport, or similar, as there is no need for the bhp an STI has.
To a certain extent I agree with one of your outlooks - (IMHO) there is absolutely no need for more than 200bhp in an average saloon car for purely road use. However, having run 500bhp in a sub 1200kg RWD sports car and craved more power I can understand only too well that it is possible to enjoy a lot more performance.
Ultimately everyone should be able to choose to drive whatever they like without having to justify it - their money, their choice.
To a certain extent I agree with one of your outlooks - (IMHO) there is absolutely no need for more than 200bhp in an average saloon car for purely road use. However, having run 500bhp in a sub 1200kg RWD sports car and craved more power I can understand only too well that it is possible to enjoy a lot more performance.
Ultimately everyone should be able to choose to drive whatever they like without having to justify it - their money, their choice.
Edcase, thanks for telling me to sod off. Please no one else make the same comment as I get enough abuse in real life
. I understand what you say about your car being the flagship, but wouldn't it be nice if the next RS6 weighed less than the old one, had less power and was faster? A difficult brief I know but that would really involve pushing the boundaries rather that just lobbing in another couple of cylinders and a few turbos. I rather think I am pi$$ing into the wind though.
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Originally Posted by Blueblaster
What I constantly try to explain is that maximum power does not equal maximum fun. The original mini was an absolute hoot to drive because it's limits were so accessible. Throwing an even more powerful engine into an even bigger mountain of electronically controlled metal does not increase the fun, particularly when the speed limits are going down rather than up. I am not suggesting we all go out and buy Caterham Superlight's, but I am suggesting that people look beyond the headline grabbing power figures. I bought my STI because I needed 4wd, didn't want a 4x4 and didn't want to be over charged for something made in Germany. It turned out to be so boring it is unbelievable. People are so interested in looking good and having more horse power than the next wally that they are missing out on some really cracking drives at sensible prices.
If my only criteria were intimate driver/car interaction or maximum thrills behind the wheel then no, the RS6 wouldn't be in my garage or even on my shortlist.
But nowadays "fun" for me has to mean being able to occupy the same car as my family - having my kids clowning around in the back is worth far more to me than being alone in a car with lotus elise steering feel. It has to mean being able to drive 7 hours across Europe to visit relatives or go on holiday, safely, in comfort and making good progress regardless of conditions. An A6 2.7 diesel quattro - if sufficiently well spec'd - would meet these criteria, but if I can meet these criteria AND have a car which is a hoot to drive because it's insanely fast and sounds awesome, then why the hell not?
Gary.
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Originally Posted by Blueblaster
You are right, I should have gone for the Sport, but then hindsight is twenty twenty. I came from a Civic Type R that required a lot of driver involvement to go quickly. I thought an STI was a logical step and ticked all the boxes, but was totally wrong. This is the reason I keep posting on here. If it was up to the majority of the Scoobynet members every car on the road would be a high performance Subaru. As the lone anti-Subaru voice I provide some balance and let people considering a Subaru know both the pros and cons. That is very important if you don't want to make a potentially expensive mistake.
Edcase, thanks for telling me to sod off. Please no one else make the same comment as I get enough abuse in real life. I understand what you say about your car being the flagship, but wouldn't it be nice if the next RS6 weighed less than the old one, had less power and was faster? A difficult brief I know but that would really involve pushing the boundaries rather that just lobbing in another couple of cylinders and a few turbos. I rather think I am pi$$ing into the wind though.
Edcase, thanks for telling me to sod off. Please no one else make the same comment as I get enough abuse in real life
. I understand what you say about your car being the flagship, but wouldn't it be nice if the next RS6 weighed less than the old one, had less power and was faster? A difficult brief I know but that would really involve pushing the boundaries rather that just lobbing in another couple of cylinders and a few turbos. I rather think I am pi$$ing into the wind though.Can't help but agree with your last paragraph though. Sadly reading Clarksons review of the S6 today, it's worrying for the next gen RS6.
23 October 2006, 07:43 PM
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Clarkson should base his review on what it was built to do rather what he expected . The S6 is no M5 fighter, its a slower cheaper vehicle for people that dont quite want all out performance.
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Yes but it seemed it was compromised in *all* aspects. Not outright performance, nor any decent level of ride / comfort.
23 October 2006, 09:54 PM
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im guessing its trying to be a cut price 'jack of all trades' and not excelling at anything, presumably with the larger overheads of the RS6 ( due to its higher selling price ) this will be corrected and itl be an awesome car in all respects. Tho sadly totally useless for me, and completely out of my league ( As i dont have a 10 figure salary, real or imaginary lol)
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So i take it you have all seen Audi R4 then too??
Taken from the German sister mag to Auto Express.
Looks like a RX8 with a Audi front/ grill on it if you ask me.
Taken from the German sister mag to Auto Express.
Looks like a RX8 with a Audi front/ grill on it if you ask me.
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Originally Posted by Rannoch
Never been in an Audi yet that did not have a terrible ride - certainly I could not live with it.
26 October 2006, 12:50 AM
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I'd still rather have the M5........thankyou!
Motorsport Division do a damn fine job. Sure the Audis (all of them actually) are very nice cars (I personally think the RS's look superb), but they have always lacked that certain "something" when it comes to being a drivers car.
No I'm no Tiff Needell and I'm only going on almost every test I've ever read............the Audis have been described as a bit "wooden"........until the new RS4 appeared of course.....it seems to be of a new mould!!
Lets see if the RS6 can follow it's little brother into serious battle with the BMW boys. I hope it can.
Motorsport Division do a damn fine job. Sure the Audis (all of them actually) are very nice cars (I personally think the RS's look superb), but they have always lacked that certain "something" when it comes to being a drivers car.
No I'm no Tiff Needell and I'm only going on almost every test I've ever read............the Audis have been described as a bit "wooden"........until the new RS4 appeared of course.....it seems to be of a new mould!!
Lets see if the RS6 can follow it's little brother into serious battle with the BMW boys. I hope it can.
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New RS4 is genuinely a different kettle of fish. I only had a quick test, but it knocked spots off my RS6. I didn't have the M5 then so I'd need to try them both back to back (where's Nevetas 
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The engine the RS4 is possibly the best I've ever driven, above even that in the E39 M5, and IMHO without a classic engine, you can never have a completely classic car. Just look at the Scooby vs Evo debate...so much of it hinges around the boxer engine whether people directly realise it or not.
)The engine the RS4 is possibly the best I've ever driven, above even that in the E39 M5, and IMHO without a classic engine, you can never have a completely classic car. Just look at the Scooby vs Evo debate...so much of it hinges around the boxer engine whether people directly realise it or not.
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Originally Posted by Edcase
(where's Nevetas )
) B7 RS4 has impressed me more than I ever imagined. If I could turn back the clock I would of gone Impreza > B7 RS4. And a hyper car in the garage / membership to P1. Would of saved myself a fortune. 
RS4 just does everything amazingly, all my others cars have been comprimised. I can really see this being a keeper...
Would not swap it back for any of my previous, think that says it all.
Remember I'm not the greatest driver in the world so others would probably prefer the tail out M5, or the track based GT3 RS, so all opinions are purely for me
Was suppost to be a stop gap before getting the new car next year, but think I'll run them both
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