How fast are scoobs REALLY... 0-60mph
11 September 2006, 07:12 PM
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Originally Posted by alanbell
Dont know my 0>>60 times, But my 60ft is 1.744, 1/4 is 12.5 at 117mph , and I launch at 5500k cheers,
10mph is quite a difference in terminal speed though
11 September 2006, 07:15 PM
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Well in my experience of quarter miling, 0-60 sprints etc, it's a great leveller. A lot is down to technique rather than the actual car, but at the end of the day a slow car is a slow car whatever you do with it.
Unless you're used to doing sprint launches, you might think you've got the fastest thing on the road. Caning it through 2nd and 3rd from a rolling start is not the same as a harsh launch from standstill. This is where the problem comes from I'd imagine. Personally, I've never timed my Scoob but it feels like it would run a low 5 fairly easily. This is in comparison to my old turbocharged Clio 16v which I ran a 5.3 or 5.4 IIRC at a 0-60 timing day and never went slower than 5.8. To put that in perspective, I also ran a 13.3@107mph at Santa Pod on road tyres, and that's front wheel drive of course.
Bottom line is people will always make excuses for their crap times but the numbers never lie! The longer the run though, the more consistent your times will be e.g. 0-100 and 1/4 mile results are more repeatable. 0-60 is a difficult test in any car though.
Unless you're used to doing sprint launches, you might think you've got the fastest thing on the road. Caning it through 2nd and 3rd from a rolling start is not the same as a harsh launch from standstill. This is where the problem comes from I'd imagine. Personally, I've never timed my Scoob but it feels like it would run a low 5 fairly easily. This is in comparison to my old turbocharged Clio 16v which I ran a 5.3 or 5.4 IIRC at a 0-60 timing day and never went slower than 5.8. To put that in perspective, I also ran a 13.3@107mph at Santa Pod on road tyres, and that's front wheel drive of course.
Bottom line is people will always make excuses for their crap times but the numbers never lie! The longer the run though, the more consistent your times will be e.g. 0-100 and 1/4 mile results are more repeatable. 0-60 is a difficult test in any car though.
11 September 2006, 07:59 PM
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thats been timed... drop the cluch at 5500rpm my sport is very fast for what it is and the few mods it has..
keeps up with my mates 1.8 16v clio running 145bhp and completely striped out weighing 886kg
on a track it quicker due to handling, makes me smile everyday know that its a non turbo...
i dont expect everyone to believe me but believe or not i dont care
goes well and know it would surprise a few peps, i need to get it RR'ed i think..
keeps up with my mates 1.8 16v clio running 145bhp and completely striped out weighing 886kg
on a track it quicker due to handling, makes me smile everyday know that its a non turbo...
i dont expect everyone to believe me but believe or not i dont care
goes well and know it would surprise a few peps, i need to get it RR'ed i think..
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11 September 2006, 10:20 PM
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Originally Posted by theotherphil
I can consistantly get sub 5 secs on my MY95 UK scoob. In a lower level of tune (pre fmic, induction and a little lower boost) I managed a 4.67s 0-60 measured with an AP22 performance meter. I launch at 5500rpm and lift the clutch smoothly while feeding in the power. I also flat shift into 2nd. This is with a 4.2kg flywheel.
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11 September 2006, 10:39 PM
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Autocar got a standard Scoob Turbo UK model to 60 in 5.2s didn't they ... an STi would p1ss on that.
Times above sound highly suspect to me!
TX.
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Says 5.8s so just trying to track down the 5.2s test! 215bhp & 1213kg weight.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/RoadTest_Fu....asp?RT=200077
Times above sound highly suspect to me!
TX.
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Says 5.8s so just trying to track down the 5.2s test! 215bhp & 1213kg weight.
http://www.autocar.co.uk/RoadTest_Fu....asp?RT=200077
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11 September 2006, 10:46 PM
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it is easier said than done, you do have to be fairly agressive to get the book figures...(standard UK scoob was 5.9 from bugeye, 5.7 for blob (both WRXs) and slightly quicker for a uk classic turbo 2000, but not 5.2. more like 5.5)
The stis are geared for it better, so should out do the uk cars to 60.
The stis are geared for it better, so should out do the uk cars to 60.
12 September 2006, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by wilb
Presume that's not a standard WRX then!?!?
Also, how poor are Subaru clutches really? Heard a few horror stories, how long do they generally live for?
Good thread!
Also, how poor are Subaru clutches really? Heard a few horror stories, how long do they generally live for?
Good thread!
the only mods are PPP and a driver that weighs the far end of a fart lol
12 September 2006, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Neilo
it is easier said than done, you do have to be fairly agressive to get the book figures...(standard UK scoob was 5.9 from bugeye, 5.7 for blob (both WRXs) and slightly quicker for a uk classic turbo 2000, but not 5.2. more like 5.5)
The stis are geared for it better, so should out do the uk cars to 60.
The stis are geared for it better, so should out do the uk cars to 60.
12 September 2006, 12:59 AM
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not at all.
Standard STi5 TypeRA will do 61.69 MPH in 2nd @ 7900rpm
Standard STi5 will do 67.62 MPH in 2nd @ 7900rpm
Standard STi8 JDM will do 61.14 MPH in 2nd @ 7900rpm
Standard STi5 TypeRA will do 61.69 MPH in 2nd @ 7900rpm
Standard STi5 will do 67.62 MPH in 2nd @ 7900rpm
Standard STi8 JDM will do 61.14 MPH in 2nd @ 7900rpm
12 September 2006, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by EVOLUTION
that may well be true, but surely you wouldnt take it to nearly 8K, ist the power droping off by then anyway?
On the other hand, if you were on your way to 1/4 mile then the gear change would be at the appropriate point to get the most benefit out of third gear, you'd have to do it at some point so you'd choose the best point.
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12 September 2006, 11:33 AM
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F: 
My times not up there & wasn't great (consistent though) 
I remember when I was at the event how poor many of the cars there were.....only just seen the published results and was surprised by the recorded 'bests'.
Just goes to show that talk of cars that are meant to to do 0-60mph/0-100mph/1/4mile in xx.xs means little when you add a driver.
Its not how fast your car could be, but how fast your car is with you at the wheel that counts. Sounds like there are alot of impreza drivers out there should watch out for well driven Clios etc off the line
My times not up there & wasn't great (consistent though) I remember when I was at the event how poor many of the cars there were.....only just seen the published results and was surprised by the recorded 'bests'.
Just goes to show that talk of cars that are meant to to do 0-60mph/0-100mph/1/4mile in xx.xs means little when you add a driver.
Its not how fast your car could be, but how fast your car is with you at the wheel that counts. Sounds like there are alot of impreza drivers out there should watch out for well driven Clios etc off the line
12 September 2006, 12:02 PM
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Originally Posted by johnfelstead
not at all.
Standard STi5 TypeRA will do 61.69 MPH in 2nd @ 7900rpm
Standard STi5 will do 67.62 MPH in 2nd @ 7900rpm
Standard STi8 JDM will do 61.14 MPH in 2nd @ 7900rpm
Standard STi5 TypeRA will do 61.69 MPH in 2nd @ 7900rpm
Standard STi5 will do 67.62 MPH in 2nd @ 7900rpm
Standard STi8 JDM will do 61.14 MPH in 2nd @ 7900rpm
What will an STi Type-R do in second, a couple of times i ve tryed it then sort of bottled it as it was very close to the rev limiter,but then i would have thought that changing into third will loose you at very least half a second.
13 September 2006, 06:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ricardo
If you were ONLY concerned with a measured 0-60 time then that 2nd to 3rd gear change would hurt the time wouldn't it ?
On the other hand, if you were on your way to 1/4 mile then the gear change would be at the appropriate point to get the most benefit out of third gear, you'd have to do it at some point so you'd choose the best point.
On the other hand, if you were on your way to 1/4 mile then the gear change would be at the appropriate point to get the most benefit out of third gear, you'd have to do it at some point so you'd choose the best point.
13 September 2006, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
Instead of brochure racing how quick are they with drivers?
Real world:
7 Subarus turned up in various states of tune to an event last year. Their BEST times recorded on the day were:
4.98secs
6.36secs
6.48secs
6.73secs
7.36secs
8.11secs
Faster M3s, VX220s, Elises, 200ZX and a Clio (all bar the 1st time)
Real world:
7 Subarus turned up in various states of tune to an event last year. Their BEST times recorded on the day were:
4.98secs
6.36secs
6.48secs
6.73secs
7.36secs
8.11secs
Faster M3s, VX220s, Elises, 200ZX and a Clio (all bar the 1st time)
My ST8 with about 340bhp runs 5's on a bad day and 5.3's on a really bad day. Good day 4.6's and better.
Those guys must have been on drugs to drive that slowly.
How odd
13 September 2006, 06:53 PM
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Originally Posted by BOB'5
F:
Its not how fast your car could be, but how fast your car is with you at the wheel that counts. Sounds like there are alot of impreza drivers out there should watch out for well driven Clios etc off the line
Its not how fast your car could be, but how fast your car is with you at the wheel that counts. Sounds like there are alot of impreza drivers out there should watch out for well driven Clios etc off the line
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21 September 2007, 04:28 PM
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There must be some sort of mistake with those first load of figures, unless the drivers were being exceptionally careful with their launches. The only way that you get the advantage of AWD is to use all the traction available, you can't do that while being sympathetic with the clutch. Magazines have consistently got Uk cars in the 5 sec bracket, and the thought of an STi doing the run in 7+secs is laughable, IMO.
22 September 2007, 06:00 PM
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At TRAX at Silverstone a few weks ago, a guy from the Gumball 3000 tried some 0-60s in his Porsche Carrera GT. His best was 4.98 (official 0-60 3.2ish). He should be ashamed of himself!
22 September 2007, 06:15 PM
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The ONLY thing imprezas are good at are 0-60
Mine which was pretty much stock was doing sub 5.5secs all day long.
In contrast I can't get the Monaro near it (quoted at 5.2secs)...so far its 6 seconds dead - I just can't get the power down (next time I'll be doing 2nd gear launches
). Thankfully the Monaro does out-handle it with ease in the twisties which more than makes up for the minor traction issue.
Now 50-100mph and boyond on the otherhand, the Impreza turns into a somewhat lethargic pile of poop.
Mine which was pretty much stock was doing sub 5.5secs all day long.
In contrast I can't get the Monaro near it (quoted at 5.2secs)...so far its 6 seconds dead - I just can't get the power down (next time I'll be doing 2nd gear launches
). Thankfully the Monaro does out-handle it with ease in the twisties which more than makes up for the minor traction issue. Now 50-100mph and boyond on the otherhand, the Impreza turns into a somewhat lethargic pile of poop.