ninjaguppy

Hmm its only the performance and reliability that worry me. But im sure they will be fairly cheap too fix(ford bits) and if 700 quid gets my 300 plus brake horse how can you go wrong!! i know the evo is more capable as is my type uk sti ppp but its the cozzy love from early years!! white with leather and azevs....drool

LG John

LOL, been a member of scoobynet for about 4 years mate. I've heard it all

In my experience those that judge me by my login name (which by the way was delibrately chosen to get backs up) are not worth knowing.

If I told Andy F or John Banks my log in and password so they posted from my account for the next year would that change who they are as people?

I'm a car enthusiast. I love all performance cars and I would snap your arm off if you offered me a drive or run in a cossie but I just don't think they stack up! The price of them is frankly silly and they are not an attractive car IMH(subjective)O! Each to their own - I'm just trying to provide some balance to this obsession that the cossie is the best thing since sliced bread.

...and don't even get me started on the Impreza 22b - that is f**king worse!!!

LG John

Oh and on certain roads my VTS would corner quicker than both my Scooby and my S2000. It's simple physics - 930kg, tight suspension, wide rubber for its weight and a wheel tucked into each corner. There are countless video examples (see gutman pug) of small hot-hatches made to the same mould keeping up with or beating scoobies, cossies et al on track, etc.

The Chief

Agreed with what you say but surely you are talking about modded Saxo's or trackday specials we all know that heavily modded Saxo's or the daddy of them the 106 are a formiddable trackday weapon but that is compared to a standard Cossie or Scoob - a modified Scoob would be just as effective.

I've drove a modded saxo although maybo not as track orientated as yours was and i can say on really twisty roads is was great fun but i know my Subaru would have destroyed it even on really twisty roads due to the Subaru being able to put the power down better.

Not saying its a great handling car - 'cos its not but a sorted Subaru flatters f**k wits like me and make them geuinly quick point to point.
just my opinion

Bil

i had a pacifica blue colour with leather interior, original light up dials

Oil seprator, Forge dump valve, stage 2 bayjoo Chipped, Phat *** exhaust, lowered, original alloys, alloy header tank, uprated head, all samocd up, absolutley ridicuous sized air filter from some cossie tuning company - it was massive -

never had a problem with any of it

It was a bullett

(ps i had it modified by a geezer who comes in Fast car regularly so it was the dogs

Bil

for £1,200 i got a brand new turbo, uprated head, chip etc and all the goodies

what do u get from Subaru £2K and it all does is change a backboX!

Bil

the cossie really would pin you to the seat and slam your passengers head back into the middle of next week

Bil

do u think i can post up my old escort cossies licence plate on here?

Or do u think it is unethical??

I want my cossie back

LG John

I'm talking standard for standard My vts was as it left the factory for the duration of my ownership and on certain roads it was quicker than both the scooby and my S2000 but then the scooby rules the roost on broken, tight, poor quality country roads with the S2000 running the show on certain other roads. If life was fair we'd all have a hot-hatch, a 4wd rally slag, a front engined rear wheel drive roadster and a mid-engined rwd supercar. Most people can only have one at a time.....guess what I want next

I do get frustraited with people poo-poo'ing the credentials of hot-hatches based on the fact they tend to be cheap and target a younger market. In engineering terms there are many very able small fwd cars out there. Anyway, we digress. The cossie...sh*te

The Chief

Ok Ok The Escort is ****e the orginal Sierra now thats a different story.

with regards to Saxo's yep they do have a bad image due to the d*cks that spoil them, be it young and not so young, My mates 33 and his i swear is feckin' aweful.

Funny that people look up to the 106 rallye and GTi and yet poo poo the Saxo - still it is a ****e car

After drving one on a smooth really tight road i was inmpressed but after buying a Scoob i know as soon as the conditions turned a bit crap or bumpy the Subaru would blitz it

LG John

That's true of pretty much any car! I got owned in the twisties by a scooby when I was in the S2000 because the conditions were more suited to scoobs! There was nothing I could do, the back end was wagging enough as it was!!

The difference, mechnically, between the 106 and the saxo is minimal. The difference in image is massive. Go figure.

Is the Sierra not the same deal - highly inflated prices? I've never been a big fan of Fords at all but I'd probably have the Escort over the sierra. But if I was going to go old skool I'd probably rather have an Integralle (sp?).

stilover

If I had a Garage, and I had the spare cash. I'd go out and buy a mint Escort Cosworth. I have always been a Fast Ford man, and one of the best days of my life was walking outside of my parents house and finding a Brand new Sierra Saphire Cosworth 4x4 parked on the drive.

Sadly my old man wouldn't buy a Escort Cosworth, as he said (and it's true even today) you just can't park them anywhere without some tw@t wanting to steal it.

As for the Escort Cossie being slow ??? Just goes to show how spolit we are with big power numbers. Yes the Cossie only has 227BHP, but it only weights 1235kg (if I remember right) yet people say that is slow but the Classic Impreza with 212BHP is fast ???

They aren't as good in the twisties??? Again, we are so used to rock hard suspension that if it doesn't corner vertually flat everyone say's it will bounce off the road ? Although it rolls more, it still has lots of grip, and I dare bet a standard Cossie would still be within touching distance of a standard new age STI.

Speaking personaly, and if I did had a garage/spare cash, I'd want a totaly standard MINT Cosworth (for me, small turbo model) and that would be the way it would stay, standard. Still fun, still pretty rapid, and still one of the best looking cars ever to grace our roads.

Why molest a Classic ??

PS.
Had a chance to buy a standard Sierra RS500 (in Black) last year. Up for £19,000 but lack of garage and spare cash meant I couldn't get it.

Now come on Ford. Pull your ******* finger out and build the Focus RS 4x4.

stilover

Actually, all the suspension setting are completely different for the 2 cars. Citroen went there way, while Peugeot went theres. Magazines at the time said the Saxo gripped more, but snapped when it's limits wre reached, while the 106 had less grip, but once it's limits were reached it was very manageable. Having owned a 106GTI, and driven several Saxo VTS's, they were spot on.

LG John

I agree with lots/most of your post stilover but I personally doubt that. If you'd said classic I'd agree it probably wouldn't be that much of a difference in the real world, but on real british roads I'd fancy a new age STI to win the twisties battle with some conviction. The game has moved on in handling terms quite a bit in the last 15 years and thankfully with the likes of the Spec-C the weight penalty has been minimal considering new requirements for crash protection and 'comforts'.

The Chief

The thing is about the Sierra is when i first saw one 87-88 when i were a young 15 year old i said 'WTF is that' and a buddy pointed out that it was this new supercar that fprd had brought out called the Sierra Cosworth - i've been hooked since

LG John

Agree Having owned the VTS I can categorically say it was still manageable on the limits you just had to respect it. Lift-off and you die. 205 GTI was the same. The VTS's so-called wayward nature really bugged me - it just wasn't like that if you drove it properly. Similarly my S2000 has a fierce reputation for leaving the road and yes, it will do exactly that if you make a silly mistake but drive it correctly and you'll be rewarded. I like cars like that and I suspect this is why my scooby's flattering style grated a little.

LG John

I think I was probably too young for the whole Cosworth thing. In 1987 I was 9 and more into BMX's, skateboards and kiss, cuddle or torture

The Chief

Ahem i wont even start on the BMX thing. stunt nuts, Skyways, Beartrap pedals etc. i could go on forever

pete higham

you rode a bmx

LG John

I was a bandit

pete higham

i was a grifter/tomahawk/chopper man myself

LG John

That's me on the left

The Chief

I was slim then

The Chief

Careful now

Bil

i want my escort cosworth back

K 45* TTN (you know who you are --- ill buy it back off you)

scoobynutta555

I've always wanted an Escort Cossie since they first came out. I bought my first Impreza over 8 years ago for 14k (k reg wrx) after looking at some Escorts that were the same age but nearer 20k plus. At the time I couldn't justify to myself the slower performance of the cossie and it's higher price tag.

I've still had opportunities to get a cossie, but I have resisted temptation so far, but I think I will get one one day. They just look so bloody good it's unreal. Anyone who says they look dated etc is mad IMHO. The game moving on? Of course it has! This is a car thats around 15 years old now, place it up against the wrx I bought at the time (even the wrx now!) and looks wise it will blow it away. The performance isn't as strong in the cossie, but that can be cured with some simple *reliable* mods.

I have no hankerings at all to own an Evo, as the thing is just soulless to me.

I totally have no leaning towards a VTS or a s2000 and find it strange that someone admitting to owning these cars has the ***** to have a go at an Escort Cosworth!


I will get myself a nice Imperial blue or a red big turbo Cosworth one day, especially as they are no longer around 20k to buy. The things exude character.

jaydut

it will always be the rs500 for me

ukdave

A mate of mines had a few rs`s a series 1/a 3 door coz and finally an escort coz his dream car.........................Had it about 3 months and sold it were running 330bhp uprated everything basically said the sierra felt like a supercar the escort cosworth felt like a mk5 escort with a big engine and the thrill wasnt there with 4wd,they were just too easy to drive,though think if i had the money for an escort coz and wanted a cosworth would go for a mint rs500 or just a normal 3door-they still look the biz in mint nick to me.

johns old 3dr http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...h/2ec8ed97.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...h/PICT0041.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...h/PICT0034.jpg

his short lived escort coz http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...worth/coz5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v3...th/mintcoz.jpg

scoobynutta555

I like the old 3 door cossies too, but for me they look too dated and I'd be having one for a day-to-day car, so prob stick with the thoughts on the escos.

jaydut

i had the pleasure of owning a 500 10 years ago,in fact i was even lookin a few months ago just b4 i bought the scoob but as it would be used everyday it wouldnt have been a good idea then again is a scoob but havin been on some good runs with the scoob i can see how far these cars have come some of the **** i get awy with in the scoob a rwd cossie would be a lot lot less forgivin.