well done dibble

cant see the problem with his speed either. bottom line is that the car had to be tested at high speed and he was best trained to do it. he wasnt provided with an adequate place to test the car so he had to test it on the public road. (perhaps it was his supervisors that should be asked questions)
lets face it, it was better that the car was tested on a dry run rather than chasing a family murdering pyscho in a stolen scooby then crashing the vectra as it/driver wasnt up to the job.

 

I don't see how he had to test it on a public road are there not enough places to test high speed runs (MIRA for example) as that is designed to test everything about a car

 

The newly cultivated anti society part of me is delighting in the way this police officer has been prosecuted and no doubt his life made a misery with asociated stress due to this whole long drawn out affair. That is a pretty horrible thing for [dare I say it] a normal middle class person to say - these are the types that generally have always supported the police [and me particularly trafpol].

So, he now joins the ranks of other decent safe drivers that get persecuted [albeit with us punters its generally for single figure levels of speed infringements!] and can ultimately lose their homes/job etc if they accumulate 12 points in 3 years and then get banned for a statutory 6 months. It's happened to friends in a day by being no more than a few mph over a speed limit that is being covertly newly enforced 'by the book' - they spring up every day.

I really look forward to the day that the speed discussion can be steered away from the lies, spin, duff stastistics, blind enforcement and absolute tosh about safety that is spouted by many a chief con. Reality is that speeds are down, car safety is up, points and fines are going through the roof, courts are clogged, misery for families dependednt on dad driving is unparalelled but DEATHS TOO ARE UP.

This speed centric policing is not working and is causing both active and passive misery and danger for us all. The associated absolute contempt shown towards the ordinary decent citizen is also a downward spiral - e.g. yesterday [and prompting this rant] I received a receipt for my properly executed SORN [didnt want to be guilty of the passive offence of keeping my bike in my garage...] which threatened me with imprisonment if I took my motorbike back on the road during the SORN period. This on the day shoplifters were given the go ahead since an imprisonment option is being withdrawn for even the most persistent of them...]

Maybe now those that might carry some more weight in their argument [police, trafpol, IAM etc] than us dumb cannon fodder might stick their necks out and bring some common sense and discretion back to the table - it's long overdue and I'm sick of hearing it in the pub, after a few pints, off duty...

Thanks for that!

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No, only his ScoobyNet username; dont you Alan?

 

Change names all the time on scoobynet. You can call me alan, al or whatever you please because it isn't and never has been my name.

 

Are you saying that you'ld expect the police to chase at 159 mph in their Vectra.
They won't even chase mopeds at under 30 if the riders haven't got crash helmets on.
The Police will surely back off from a chase at a pre determined speed and maybe call for a helicopter.
To test at that speed on public roads is not on. Maybe test to 120 or whatever that backing off speed is.
I can't see the Police "drivers rulebook" stating "it's ok to test your car on the public road as fast as you want to go."
But then I'm not Old Bill so what do I know.

 

The crime was the fact it became public knowledge and unfortunately stirred the 'one rule for us and one rule for them' debate.

A lot of jobs carry perks but a job that has a perk relating to the 'worst crime of the century', namely going fast in/on a vehicle, will result in public uproar if put out to the press to manipulate. Thanks to the pathetic pressure groups bred from this failing country it won't get any better either when they start spouting.

I hope the guy keeps his job and puts his skill to great use in the near future, maybe catching car theiving scum, or something as 'secondary' to the pressure groups.

 

strangely enough it was near notts-leicester, N/B on the M1....a black one, looked the part.





ps, your wife. She could do with shaving that beard off

 

This absoultley p*ss** me off this should never have been to court.why train and supply these officers with high power cars if they arnt allowed 2 use the skills or the power cmon 3am in the morn is the best time to test when the roads are deserted,with out a doubt this guy has been grassed up because im sure he isnt the only one doin it.well done plod but ull still need another 10mph to catch me

 

Exactly - the **** should have pleaded guilty. Not happy with breaking the law he then goes on to cost the tax payer thousands of pounds in court time !

 

It sounds like you hate the police

 

next time ur outside a pub gettin ur head caved in im sure ur will be happy in the knowledge that plod is cummin as fast as he can at 30mph.

get real they have these cars for a reason or they would all drive smart cars

 

Well said

 

abot 10 yrs ago my dad who had been a servin officer for 20 yrs was answerin a 999 call (a women bein assaulted) he approached a set of traffic lights slowed down checked he was clear a went across, the lights were just changin to green,some p*i*k in a van put his foot down to get through the other lights b4 they turn red and ploughs straight into him.the guy in the van got 3 points and believe it or not so did me old fella,so he said from then on when he answers any emergency he will obey the laws of the road 2 the latter ie speed limits stoppin at lights etc. to avoid any future prosecutions.

 

The police drivers handbook clearly states that they have to obey the rules of the road, that's the risk they take isn't it? and hence why they are trained to such a high degree.
As a 20 years officer, I presume he was upto class 1 standard then? Get him out with us to teach us the tricks of the trade

 

What other crimes should the Police be allowed to get off with.

This **** wasn't seeing what his car was capable of - he got caught speeding.

If you can't do the time don't do the crime.

Hopefully they'll sack him

 

I hate ***** that give decent officers a bad name .

This guys come across as an arrogant liar.

He should switch to politics !

 

He did NOT get caught speeding because he has a blanket exemption from that in law. That's why the vindicitive prosecution for DD, after that charge after he had been not guilty of that already.


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At the end of the day, if he wanted to test the car's performance - he should have told someone that that’s what he was doing (i.e his supervision etc). I've driven at 140 ish before, but we have 'driver training' on the back of the car and have the blessing of the force and the force who's roads we are on. He should have known this and because he has taken it upon himself to ignore them, then there should have been more of a punishment involved.

I suppose he will now be looking at an internal disciplinary hearing which he may struggle to have a successful outcome with.

 

Yes Felix...I'm sure the full wrath of the internal disciplinary procedure will be brought down to bear on him after the event - in the same way as if he had fiddled his expenses for a non existent cup of coffee. The real question that you avoid is that if this is logical, fair an reasonable...

Still, nice to see you sticking up for someone or something [not that I know what that ever is...]

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I think its logical, fair and reasonable that he should follow the rules.

 

There seems to be a few coppers on here.

Perhaps one of them could furnish us with the "general" guidelines for high speed pursuits etc.

I would have thought that there was no place for driving a police car at 159mph even if they were chasing a bank robber - It sounds pretty risky to me !

 

I'm not an advanced driver (ie fast pursuits) but the general rule is that if it’s safe to pursue, they can travel at any speed. What normally happens is that the pursuit will be assessed by the control room - if they feel that lives may be at risk (police, general public, suspects etc) they will call the pursuit off. This is why they rely more on air support.

 

Is it fair to assume then that 159 mph pursuits are unlikely ?

I'm trying to figure out why the Police force decided on a DD charge - the guy must have been doing something against his own guidelines ?

 

To my mind he is a victim of the hysteria, irrationality and histrionics that surround the subject of speed these days. He may have been unwise but unless there is something specific we dont know about it is difficult to work out what was exactly so dangerous about what he did - especially if you have experience of driving on an Autobahn.

Maybe it makes sense to explore the vehicle's dynamics and his reactions & his confidence at that speed, at night and out of a real pursuit scenario, when it was totally deserted? I see logic there - not that this matters much these days >adopts Dalek type voice< P R O S E C U T E!!!

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