Elmer Fudpucker

Come and spend a day in the shipyard with me then,I'll show you how conscientious these Eastern europeans are,working for an absolute pittance,living in utter squaller....not to mention it being downright dangerous sometimes as they can't fully understand our language

I've seen instances where they are living maybe 15 to one room!!,an exception granted...but I have seen it.

..and to blame the flailing British car industry was down to its skilled work force attitude,is absolutely ludicrous....I bet everyone of those unemployed car workers would have accepted a wage cut to keep their job.

Who benefits from these immagrants,the economy?,the consumer?

I very much doubt it more like the greedy Firm Owners,big Corporates and those who have to keep the share holders in fine cars,clothes and champagne

DCI Gene Hunt

Yep, that's confirmed then...... you REALLY are a feckin ***-jockey......

Elmer Fudpucker

Furthermore,has anyone stayed at an English Holilday resort lately?

If so you must have noticed the amount of Eastern European bar staff in the pubs and the cleaners at your hotel?

but was your room or beer any cheaper?

Elmer Fudpucker

That makes two of us then,don't it?

DCI Gene Hunt

Being paid a pittance and living in squaller sort of go hand in hand and as for downright dangerous, well that's the problem of the Employer, as if anything happens they will be the one being sued.

What were you doing in there?

Yep, you are a nobber, those militant ***** take a pay cut..... you're having a feckin laugh now!

What are you a feckin communist now then?

Elmer Fudpucker

Webmaster,please delete my account

DCI Gene Hunt

Why do you have a friend?

DCI Gene Hunt

Bye then...........

Goochie

Thats exactly the sort of attitude that the Polish workers I know of don't have !

I work in both Japanese run car factories and British run car factories. The reason Nissan and Honda can build good cars in the UK is because they have a different culture, if all British car factories adopted the working practices and culture of the Japanese companies they may well be here today.

In general, British line managers are short sighted and blinkered whilst their Japanese counterpart is willing to listen to others, look further than the end of his nose and appreciate advice from someone who may well know more on a particular subject than he does.

The workers on a car production line could hardly be described as "skilled" though. Its easy to assemble a car these days - anyone who can clip Lego bricks together could do it. They may be experienced but that experience is usually in a narrow field and they will rarely listen to anyone who suggests they could make improvements by changing their ways slightly.

Blow Dog

100% spot on.

Introducing Poland to the EU was the best thing Europe ever did. And if the UK workshy workforce are suffering as a result, then it's about time the UK learnt a lesson from it.
I know this for a fact, they are extremely hard working, ethical, SKILLED professionals who have injected a huge amount of competencies into a country that was lacking.

I put a recruitment ad out recently for my company. I got 200 CV's in a month. 90% of them were non UK citizens. I always will employ Polish professionals as they have a completely differnt work ethic. They don't do sickdays, they don't do tribunals, they don't do 9-5.

If anyone's unhappy about the fact that there are better choices for employers, then they better do something about it.

TelBoy

Blimey, ello blow dog.

Yep, UK unemployment up 90,000 from April. God i love this country.

Elmer Fudpucker

Yet,I think 600,000 eastern europeans amongst us.Up from 90,000 two years ago

I hope no ones going to be too upset when our kids start learning Polish on their School curriculum?

Goochie

They already learn French and German so another language wont' do any harm.

Elmer Fudpucker

I'm too thick enough to argue with you really Goochie,but I'd be interested to know if you've ever worked on the shopfloor as a skilled worker?

OllyK

It's no surprise really. Employers may well be getting better value from EU workers than from natives, however, if it's displacing those existing workers from their jobs, then unless they are leaving the country they are now becoming a burden to the welfare state and will struggle to get a similar job, earning what they did as the foreigners are getting them. I'm all from bringing in outside labour to plug gaps where we don't have the skills within the country, but displacing existing workers just strikes me as false economy.

jasey

I once went on a tour of the Transit factory near Southampton.

On the tour we came across one of the highly skilled workforce on the assembly line.

It took the surpervisor approx 20 seconds to wake him from his deep sleep .

TelBoy

Lech Walesa must be laughing his bloody socks off in his grave.

Elmer Fudpucker

OK so bolting cars together is not particularly highly skilled at all....but its still a mainly British workforce which I feel strongly should remain that way.

ChefDude

I don't care if the supermarkets are driving out the small 'foreign run' corner shops. supermarkets sell fresh produce. the corner shops perishable stuff is usually rotten. they're a menace. i hate the fact that there are so many in london and all their perishable stuff is ****e. I'm not talking about the delis, specialist food shops. londoners will know which ones i'm on about.

unclebuck

"The wave of migration from Eastern Europe is a two way process with cheap workers coming into the UK while taxpayers cash flows out in one of the largest milking of the benefits system ever witnessed. In both cases Britons are losing out.

Tens of thousands of Eastern European migrants living in Britain are exploiting a loophole in the law to claim UK child benefit for children they have left behind.

Migrant workers from new EU member states including the Czech Republic, Estonia, Hungary, Latvia and Lithuania, are signing up in droves for the cash, funded by British taxpayers.

But it is the massive flood of Polish migrants who are taking native taxpayers for a ride. In Poland, parents do not have an automatic right to state benefits for their children. Even those payments which are available are strictly means-tested and very few people qualify.

But under EU rules, Polish and other Eastern European parents working in Britain can leave their children at home and still qualify for UK money - £907.40 a year for a single child and £608.40 for each additional one. According to the Mail on Sunday (13th) more than 50,000 Poles have also applied for the handouts so far this year, which even if they claim for only one child, the Polish applications alone will already have cost the taxpayer £45million this year.

£45million could pay for about 1500 front line police officers or about 2000 nurses on the ward."

SJ_Skyline

I've told you about reading The Mail!

Blow Dog

Unclebuck,

There is no doubt an element of truth in your tabloid quote, but it's important to remember one bad apple does not represent the whole box. I am also troubled by the fraudulent use of our benefits system (although this has been going on for decades, so nothing new) but there are also massive positives. The government know who these people are. My interaction is limited to those with bank accounts, accountants preparing tax returns and in general a people who's only real desire is to settle into the UK and work a legitimate lifestyle.

unclebuck

I don't read it. This is not from the 'Mail'.

StickyMicky

have you worked in the nissan plant in sunderland? , there is quite a bit of skill in working to that kind of standard in that kind of time, there are vast numbers of people brought in and simply can not hack it.

the factorys down south i have seen, are like a holiday compared with the sunderland plant IMO

SJ_Skyline

Come on - if Clarkson, May and Hamster can assemble a car, how hard can it be?

DCI Gene Hunt

Is it a 'moses' (cut & paste) from the BNP website again............

unclebuck

Agreed, but 50,000 bad apples is a signifcant number. I don't understand why this government sets up such stupid benefit rules as these. What drives their agenda?

Goochie

As mentioned in my earlier post, Honda and Nissan have it right. I'd be interested to see how Mr. Joe Average MG Rover employee woul dget on in Sunderland.

StickyMicky

they would cry like girls

Blow Dog

Well I actually believe they benefit from this somehow - I dunno, some kind of tax deficit which they can write off as part of a different expense?