PORSCHE COULDN'T BELEIVE IT!!!
15 August 2006, 08:28 PM
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What have I started???
The thread I originally posted on this was, one of genuine surprise.
High performance car, ordinary unleaded, expecting Optimax to be put in.
Explained the Porsche Driver was a nice chap, all I was saying was I was really surprised to see this stuff being put in.
Porsche is a very nice car and costs a bit of money.
Mr Scooby is a very nice car that costs a bit less. £ 4 £ the Scooby is great value for money.
The Porsche is still a very nice car and, I'm sorry that the Porsche people & the Scooby people have had a "Lovers Tiff" OVER THIS.
I never meant this to happen. Just curious about waht he put in his car fuel wise. Kind Regards ALL Alan MaC
The thread I originally posted on this was, one of genuine surprise.
High performance car, ordinary unleaded, expecting Optimax to be put in.
Explained the Porsche Driver was a nice chap, all I was saying was I was really surprised to see this stuff being put in.
Porsche is a very nice car and costs a bit of money.
Mr Scooby is a very nice car that costs a bit less. £ 4 £ the Scooby is great value for money.
The Porsche is still a very nice car and, I'm sorry that the Porsche people & the Scooby people have had a "Lovers Tiff" OVER THIS.
I never meant this to happen. Just curious about waht he put in his car fuel wise. Kind Regards ALL Alan MaC
15 August 2006, 08:42 PM
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most porsche drivers are posers and have no understanding of the capabilities of their cars, i admit there a few enthusiast porsche drivers out there but the vast majority of em are to busy checking out their hair in the mirror to worry about what their car is capable of, or themselves for that matter.
15 August 2006, 09:01 PM
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most subaru drivers are chavs and have no understanding of the capabilities of their cars, i admit there a few enthusiast subaru drivers out there but the vast majority of em are to busy checking out the honeys at macdonalds to worry about what their car is capable of, or themselves for that matter.
15 August 2006, 09:21 PM
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Originally Posted by image doctor
most subaru drivers are chavs and IT workers who have over-exaggerated beliefs in the capabilities of their cars, I admit there a few enthusiast subaru drivers out there but the vast majority of em are to busy checking out the honeys at macdonalds, mail ordering 5" backboxes and 2 fast 2 furious body stickers to worry about what their car is capable of, or themselves for that matter.
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15 August 2006, 09:22 PM
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Graham,
I love the pic of your 911 with the inside front wheel off the ground.
Giving it large out of the corner?
Traction is fabulous when you get it right
Interestingly to take the topic in another direction my 993 was relatively tame in the wet. It was actually easier to get my BMW 5 series Touring to hang it's tail out even with traction control on than it was in the Pork.
Lots of understeer unless you were nuts with the throttle in lower gear on wet roads.
Rannoch
I love the pic of your 911 with the inside front wheel off the ground.
Giving it large out of the corner?
Traction is fabulous when you get it right
Interestingly to take the topic in another direction my 993 was relatively tame in the wet. It was actually easier to get my BMW 5 series Touring to hang it's tail out even with traction control on than it was in the Pork.
Lots of understeer unless you were nuts with the throttle in lower gear on wet roads.
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15 August 2006, 09:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Paul3446
Quote by 94impreza
We both pulled up at lights next to a 911 Carrera, totally disinterested, i'd just once like to actually see what these cars are capable of even if they smoke me completely and make my pride and joy look like a kids toy. Had it been a Supra/Evo/M3/Skyline theres no doubt we'd have had some fun on some quiet roads on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Yet most Porsche owners seem to think they are "above" everyone else.
Here we have the basis of 94impreza's argument, because a Porsche didn't feel the need to race a spotty chav in an Impreza, he obviously thinks he is above everyone else?
What a f*cking stupid assumption! I've lost count of the number of times I've p*ssed myself, as inferior cars fly away from the lights while I slowly pull away in my Impreza laughing at how stupid they look.
We both pulled up at lights next to a 911 Carrera, totally disinterested, i'd just once like to actually see what these cars are capable of even if they smoke me completely and make my pride and joy look like a kids toy. Had it been a Supra/Evo/M3/Skyline theres no doubt we'd have had some fun on some quiet roads on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Yet most Porsche owners seem to think they are "above" everyone else.
Here we have the basis of 94impreza's argument, because a Porsche didn't feel the need to race a spotty chav in an Impreza, he obviously thinks he is above everyone else?
What a f*cking stupid assumption! I've lost count of the number of times I've p*ssed myself, as inferior cars fly away from the lights while I slowly pull away in my Impreza laughing at how stupid they look.
Just because i met him at the lights doesn't mean (and i'll say it again for the other ***** who haven't bothered to read the rest of the thread) I was looking for some kind of drag race. There were at least 3 cars in front of both of us, how can you race in traffic ? He was in the left lane, which although is mainly used as a left turn can obviously be used as a straight on. Both Left and right go onto busy roads, whereas straight on is relatively a quiet road that goes on for 2 miles with a slight bend in the middle. Had he wanted a little bit of a laugh (where no innocents would be in danger) then he could have, but chose not too. This is one of many many times a Porsche owner has shown his disinterest in my experience.
As for assuming every owner of a Subaru is a "spotty chav" maybe you should remember you are on a Subaru forum, and therefore disrespecting just about every user on this board. Yet another example of an internet hero who wouldn't say boo to a goose in person but feels the need to express their anger hiding behind their monitor.
15 August 2006, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by 94impreza
As for assuming every owner of a Subaru is a "spotty chav" maybe you should remember you are on a Subaru forum, and therefore disrespecting just about every user on this board.
Chill people. Sure there are many porsche drivers fitting the stereotypes mentioned above, same goes for the scoob stereotypes also. So some porkers drivers are prats, so what, it's no skin off your nose so why get all aggressive against people you don't know, honestly, really, have a listen to what you are saying and put it into context. A bit of banter is always a laugh between drivers/marques etc. but so many here clearly aren't bantering, they really do believe the crap they come out with.
Porkers are great cars, sure they attract some to$$ers as nearly ALL cars do but they are also driven by enthusiasts (and there are many). Nearly all the trackdays I've been on, the porsches are in the majority, mostly well driven as well (apart from the boxsters lol
), lost count of the number of GT3's whipping most others ar$es round the track.
15 August 2006, 10:24 PM
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I feel this conflict between one type or another car is everywhere, nobody is exempt.
I have the fortune to have both in my world, I've worked hard over the years and I do what i want with the cars as you hopefully can see in this thread.
Everyone has an image of the sterotype as Dracoro clearly says, but so what?
There is the type with the MGB, the Morris Minor, the EVO etc etc isn't that great that we can be different!
Rannoch:
The actual pic shows the front abot 3'' off the deck and the rear was so hooked-up it was untrue. The track suited the car and me that day and I won my class!
I think this is a good thread, a bit of banter, some 'interesting' opinions, and a chat with 2 real 911 enthusiasts, variety indeed!
Graham.
I have the fortune to have both in my world, I've worked hard over the years and I do what i want with the cars as you hopefully can see in this thread.
Everyone has an image of the sterotype as Dracoro clearly says, but so what?
There is the type with the MGB, the Morris Minor, the EVO etc etc isn't that great that we can be different!
Rannoch:
The actual pic shows the front abot 3'' off the deck and the rear was so hooked-up it was untrue. The track suited the car and me that day and I won my class!
I think this is a good thread, a bit of banter, some 'interesting' opinions, and a chat with 2 real 911 enthusiasts, variety indeed!
Graham.
15 August 2006, 10:43 PM
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Graham,
just out of interest have you been in a 911 996 GT3 II or any of the 997s.
An utterly and completely different experience - but an amazing one. I went out in a GT3 driven by Don Palmer - a wonderful drive. The car is so assured and so relentless in its acceleration, and then you still have the joy of the brakes.
Not so bad for such a 'heavy' car
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just out of interest have you been in a 911 996 GT3 II or any of the 997s.
An utterly and completely different experience - but an amazing one. I went out in a GT3 driven by Don Palmer - a wonderful drive. The car is so assured and so relentless in its acceleration, and then you still have the joy of the brakes.
Not so bad for such a 'heavy' car
R
15 August 2006, 11:45 PM
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I'm sure the GT3 is a remarkable car but I wonder if it still has that same sense of raw mechanical danger....the old 911 is the kind of car that made your palms sweaty and your heart beat - you would literally be mentally and physically exhausted after a 10-15 min 'all-out' run - I mean it is actually physically hard work to keep them on the edge...and you become 100% consumed by the moment in a way no other car has ever done...
The scooby's chief weakness for me, as has been mentioned already, is it's warm fuzzy cocoon of effortless speed - your more of a spectator most of the time - it's pace hardly has to be earnt - it's just handed to you on a plate - perhaps this is why it's so popular with non-drivers - the 'edge' is safely and clearly indicated to you by the screeaching of rubber - not so much of an cliff hanger but a sharp slope saying 'here comes the cliff' - and then it's the cliff edge - plenty of time to correct and power slide out of it...the old 911 was literally one wheel hanging off the edge of the cliff scrabbling and biting - jumping and nipping for the last tiny bit of grip - overstep it by just 1 or 2 mph more and it was 'sledghammer into the bushes' time...now THAT'S what I call hyper tense driving...
(now why does that all sound like sex talk ? just replace Scooby for Sharon and old 911 for Tracy and it's a whole new story!)
The scooby's chief weakness for me, as has been mentioned already, is it's warm fuzzy cocoon of effortless speed - your more of a spectator most of the time - it's pace hardly has to be earnt - it's just handed to you on a plate - perhaps this is why it's so popular with non-drivers - the 'edge' is safely and clearly indicated to you by the screeaching of rubber - not so much of an cliff hanger but a sharp slope saying 'here comes the cliff' - and then it's the cliff edge - plenty of time to correct and power slide out of it...the old 911 was literally one wheel hanging off the edge of the cliff scrabbling and biting - jumping and nipping for the last tiny bit of grip - overstep it by just 1 or 2 mph more and it was 'sledghammer into the bushes' time...now THAT'S what I call hyper tense driving...
(now why does that all sound like sex talk ? just replace Scooby for Sharon and old 911 for Tracy and it's a whole new story!)
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16 August 2006, 06:53 AM
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The last modern 911 i was in and drove was a 993 which was the last of the air cooled cars I think.
The engine was flexible to infinity, the brakes stopped you in an infinitly small distance, and the experience was almost infinitly 'small', just so sanitized.
At the hillclimb last weeekend were 22 or so 911's competing in the Porsche Club's Hillclimb series.
There was a 996 GT3 and every 'stage' of the 911's great development represented.
The GT3 was not the quickest by a long shot, but looked so easy to run up the hill. The fastest one (59.something secs) was a 3.2.(modified!)
My best time in mine was 61.6secs on road tyres.
Flynn's second paragraph is spot-on for the early cars, ie up to the end of the 2.7's, but especially the pre-impact bumper cars.
Great memories, as I just cruise in mine today...
Graham
The engine was flexible to infinity, the brakes stopped you in an infinitly small distance, and the experience was almost infinitly 'small', just so sanitized.
At the hillclimb last weeekend were 22 or so 911's competing in the Porsche Club's Hillclimb series.
There was a 996 GT3 and every 'stage' of the 911's great development represented.
The GT3 was not the quickest by a long shot, but looked so easy to run up the hill. The fastest one (59.something secs) was a 3.2.(modified!)
My best time in mine was 61.6secs on road tyres.
Flynn's second paragraph is spot-on for the early cars, ie up to the end of the 2.7's, but especially the pre-impact bumper cars.
Great memories, as I just cruise in mine today...
Graham
16 August 2006, 07:58 AM
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Interesting - the prowess of the GT3 is phenonmenal - however as I said such a completely different experience to the earlier cars.
Having said that - I suspect that to get a sub 8min lap at the Ring in one might just bring you some of the sensations that Flynn is so eloquent about. The limits are so much higher though, you need to drive so much faster to test the envelope.
I agree about the 993 - it did not recreate the magic for me in the way the earlier cars did. It was a great car and an accomplished car. I think the newer 997 and the GT3 II have more of the magic recreated.
And in spite of what is said above I find the Spec C more of an involving experience at all speeds than the 993
and an experience that comes with blistering pace.
It is so adjustable, there are a million ways to take a corner. Different, surely, the 911 but still a fascinating drive nonetheless.
Rannoch
Having said that - I suspect that to get a sub 8min lap at the Ring in one might just bring you some of the sensations that Flynn is so eloquent about. The limits are so much higher though, you need to drive so much faster to test the envelope.
I agree about the 993 - it did not recreate the magic for me in the way the earlier cars did. It was a great car and an accomplished car. I think the newer 997 and the GT3 II have more of the magic recreated.
And in spite of what is said above I find the Spec C more of an involving experience at all speeds than the 993
and an experience that comes with blistering pace.It is so adjustable, there are a million ways to take a corner. Different, surely, the 911 but still a fascinating drive nonetheless.
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16 August 2006, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Dracoro
Confused by this. Only the spotty chavs would feel disrespected(sic), the rest would not be in the slightest bit bothered unless they have some chip on their shoulders and take everything as a slant against them.
Chill people. Sure there are many porsche drivers fitting the stereotypes mentioned above, same goes for the scoob stereotypes also. So some porkers drivers are prats, so what, it's no skin off your nose so why get all aggressive against people you don't know, honestly, really, have a listen to what you are saying and put it into context. A bit of banter is always a laugh between drivers/marques etc. but so many here clearly aren't bantering, they really do believe the crap they come out with.
Porkers are great cars, sure they attract some to$$ers as nearly ALL cars do but they are also driven by enthusiasts (and there are many). Nearly all the trackdays I've been on, the porsches are in the majority, mostly well driven as well (apart from the boxsters lol), lost count of the number of GT3's whipping most others ar$es round the track.
Chill people. Sure there are many porsche drivers fitting the stereotypes mentioned above, same goes for the scoob stereotypes also. So some porkers drivers are prats, so what, it's no skin off your nose so why get all aggressive against people you don't know, honestly, really, have a listen to what you are saying and put it into context. A bit of banter is always a laugh between drivers/marques etc. but so many here clearly aren't bantering, they really do believe the crap they come out with.
Porkers are great cars, sure they attract some to$$ers as nearly ALL cars do but they are also driven by enthusiasts (and there are many). Nearly all the trackdays I've been on, the porsches are in the majority, mostly well driven as well (apart from the boxsters lol
), lost count of the number of GT3's whipping most others ar$es round the track.I've never slated Porsche's or their performance.
I stated that in my opinion and in my personal experience i had never witnessed a Porsche driver using their car anywhere near its potential. This has now been opposed.
I've also never said i race at lights, people are assuming that from me saying i pulled up in traffic next to a Porsche at traffic lights.
I don't have a problem with any other road user, people are just trying to pick holes in my posts because they can't actually form an opinion of their own.
16 August 2006, 10:45 AM
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Until they come full circle and return to Ferdinand's original founding principles - less weight = the need for less power but gives more speed and better handling then Porsche are still in a very slow terminal decline - they are throwing the money at the wrong places and developing the wrong kind of technology to solve the non exsitant problem of how to make fat ceo's feel like they can drive fast but still listen to Dire Straits at 40mph without the intrusion of a noisy engine..
Porsche is now all about Profits over Passion!...
It's almost as if they made a board room decision never to sell a 911 below £90K and so have had to spend 30 years 'inventing' really expensive crap to justify it - the scooby prooves categorically a supercar CAN be made for less than £20K...
I'd almost say Subaru are starting to fall into a similar fate with the spec D - chasing fat old men and their dollars rather than working to become faster, fitter, lighter, cheaper and more reliable...ever succsesive generation should be all of these things and LESS becomes more......
Old school engineering principles and modern technology is what's required.
I want to see a return to a smaller tighter and lighter porsche 911 constructed entirely from some kind of tubular kevlar, carbon fibre and titanium space frame and skinned in carbon fibre panels that weighs about 700kg and is literally indistructable - no comfort electrics - no heated leather seats with electric positioners - no 'esp', no abs or pas, no soundproofing -not even a stereo!! zero frills-!maybe allow a heater and some very lightweight microfibre carpet of some kind for the wives ( as long as it weighs no more than 1kg all done!) - ditch the pointless +2 rear seats and bring the engine forward by 12 inches and return to a nice simple 240bhp air cooled 3.2 engine with a nice big engine bay and no stupid electronics all over it - all sold for under £40K...no, scratch that all for under £30K...and make 50 million of em - just like the beetle!!lol!!!..
340 BHP per tonne of blistering seat of your pants excitement. Would probably do 45mpg as well!
Now that's getting 'back to the point' of a porsche 911 - the way they're going they'll be dropping a 7 litre chevy engine in it and rear seat DVD players by 2010....
(sorry about that - for me the decline of porsche and the purity of the 911 is on the same level as the lack of development for concorde - a travesty)
Porsche is now all about Profits over Passion!...
It's almost as if they made a board room decision never to sell a 911 below £90K and so have had to spend 30 years 'inventing' really expensive crap to justify it - the scooby prooves categorically a supercar CAN be made for less than £20K...
I'd almost say Subaru are starting to fall into a similar fate with the spec D - chasing fat old men and their dollars rather than working to become faster, fitter, lighter, cheaper and more reliable...ever succsesive generation should be all of these things and LESS becomes more......
Old school engineering principles and modern technology is what's required.
I want to see a return to a smaller tighter and lighter porsche 911 constructed entirely from some kind of tubular kevlar, carbon fibre and titanium space frame and skinned in carbon fibre panels that weighs about 700kg and is literally indistructable - no comfort electrics - no heated leather seats with electric positioners - no 'esp', no abs or pas, no soundproofing -not even a stereo!! zero frills-!maybe allow a heater and some very lightweight microfibre carpet of some kind for the wives ( as long as it weighs no more than 1kg all done!) - ditch the pointless +2 rear seats and bring the engine forward by 12 inches and return to a nice simple 240bhp air cooled 3.2 engine with a nice big engine bay and no stupid electronics all over it - all sold for under £40K...no, scratch that all for under £30K...and make 50 million of em - just like the beetle!!lol!!!..
340 BHP per tonne of blistering seat of your pants excitement. Would probably do 45mpg as well!
Now that's getting 'back to the point' of a porsche 911 - the way they're going they'll be dropping a 7 litre chevy engine in it and rear seat DVD players by 2010....
(sorry about that - for me the decline of porsche and the purity of the 911 is on the same level as the lack of development for concorde - a travesty)
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16 August 2006, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Alan MaC
What have I started???
High performance car, ordinary unleaded, expecting Optimax to be put in.
High performance car, ordinary unleaded, expecting Optimax to be put in.
It may be surprising to know that the vast majority of cars run perfectly happy on normal unleaded and cant take any advantage of a higher RON rated fuel...doesnt stop a lot of owners swallowing the hype and marketing and putting Super whatever in their tanks..
I dont know anyone one who runs a bike that uses super unleaded and a modern bike lump is making circa 180BHP from just a 1 litre engine so i dare say the Porsche will be safe enough...
16 August 2006, 10:55 AM
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When 4star was widely available it was widely regarded by most mechanic's that one in every 4 times you should fill up unleaded cars on 4star to help line the valves. Now 4star is not readily available this theory seems to have completely dissapeared yet people are now more bothered by "RON" whoever he is .
I fill up on Texaco unleaded, its 100yrds from me. The nearest Shell station is 10 miles away.
.I fill up on Texaco unleaded, its 100yrds from me. The nearest Shell station is 10 miles away.
16 August 2006, 10:56 AM
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take a porsche to the rollers and they will put down as much power as porsche claim it does. Take a Impreza to the rollers and it will probbaly be down on the claimed power output.
Germans.... doing what it says on the tin.
Germans.... doing what it says on the tin.
16 August 2006, 11:12 AM
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Originally Posted by flynnstudio
Until they come full circle and return to Ferdinand's original founding principles - less weight = the need for less power but gives more speed and better handling then Porsche are still in a very slow terminal decline - they are throwing the money at the wrong places and developing the wrong kind of technology to solve the non exsitant problem of how to make fat ceo's feel like they can drive fast but still listen to Dire Straits at 40mph without the intrusion of a noisy engine..
Porsche is now all about Profits over Passion!...
It's almost as if they made a board room decision never to sell a 911 below £90K and so have had to spend 30 years 'inventing' really expensive crap to justify it - the scooby prooves categorically a supercar CAN be made for less than £20K...
Old school engineering principles and modern technology is what's required.
I want to see a return to a smaller tighter and lighter porsche 911 constructed entirely from some kind of tubular kevlar, carbon fibre and titanium space frame and skinned in carbon fibre panels that weighs about 700kg and is literally indistructable - no comfort electrics - no heated leather seats with electric positioners - no 'esp', no abs or pas, no soundproofing -not even a stereo!! zero frills-!maybe allow a heater and some very lightweight microfibre carpet of some kind for the wives ( as long as it weighs no more than 1kg all done!) - ditch the pointless +2 rear seats and bring the engine forward by 12 inches and return to a nice simple 240bhp air cooled 3.2 engine with a nice big engine bay and no stupid electronics all over it - all sold for under £40K...
340 BHP per tonne of blistering seat of your pants excitement. Would probably do 45mpg as well!
Now that's getting 'back to the point' of a porsche 911 - the way they're going they'll be dropping a 7 litre chevy engine in it and rear seat DVD players by 2010....
(sorry about that - for me the decline of porsche and the purity of the 911 is on the same level as the lack of development for concorde - a travesty)
Porsche is now all about Profits over Passion!...
It's almost as if they made a board room decision never to sell a 911 below £90K and so have had to spend 30 years 'inventing' really expensive crap to justify it - the scooby prooves categorically a supercar CAN be made for less than £20K...
Old school engineering principles and modern technology is what's required.
I want to see a return to a smaller tighter and lighter porsche 911 constructed entirely from some kind of tubular kevlar, carbon fibre and titanium space frame and skinned in carbon fibre panels that weighs about 700kg and is literally indistructable - no comfort electrics - no heated leather seats with electric positioners - no 'esp', no abs or pas, no soundproofing -not even a stereo!! zero frills-!maybe allow a heater and some very lightweight microfibre carpet of some kind for the wives ( as long as it weighs no more than 1kg all done!) - ditch the pointless +2 rear seats and bring the engine forward by 12 inches and return to a nice simple 240bhp air cooled 3.2 engine with a nice big engine bay and no stupid electronics all over it - all sold for under £40K...
340 BHP per tonne of blistering seat of your pants excitement. Would probably do 45mpg as well!
Now that's getting 'back to the point' of a porsche 911 - the way they're going they'll be dropping a 7 litre chevy engine in it and rear seat DVD players by 2010....
(sorry about that - for me the decline of porsche and the purity of the 911 is on the same level as the lack of development for concorde - a travesty)
If only.
I had a 1988 3.2 Carerra Clubsport. Been going downhill ever since IMO
16 August 2006, 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
take a porsche to the rollers and they will put down as much power as porsche claim it does. Take a Impreza to the rollers and it will probbaly be down on the claimed power output.
Germans.... doing what it says on the tin.
Germans.... doing what it says on the tin.
Take a "276" bhp spec C on the rollers and see what that puts out
320 ish?
16 August 2006, 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by RB5_245
I think you'll find uk imprezas are 9 out of 10 times a good bit up claimed output with exeption of STi's and STi PPP's for some reason. Even on the less optimistic rollers.
Take a "276" bhp spec C on the rollers and see what that puts out 320 ish?
Take a "276" bhp spec C on the rollers and see what that puts out
320 ish? Anyway take a GT3 up to speed, more air will get into the engine and you will have a extra 20bhp to play with
And unlike the scooby it probably wont blow up doing so.
16 August 2006, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by AudiLover
yep thats german engineering for you. 2 tonnes of metal yet still faster orund the ring than a scooby or evo.
GT3 or faster, then yes. otherwise no.
(just pointing out a couple of facts without taking sides, a few months ago I was considering swapping the RB5 for a 996 C2. Love the 911 myself, wish I could afford GT3)
16 August 2006, 11:32 AM
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lol that doesnt count though does it. Everyone knew of that fact.
Anyway take a GT3 up to speed, more air will get into the engine and you will have a extra 20bhp to play with And unlike the scooby it probably wont blow up doing so.
Anyway take a GT3 up to speed, more air will get into the engine and you will have a extra 20bhp to play with
And unlike the scooby it probably wont blow up doing so. Also seemed to handle the nurburgring 24hrs without too many hassles
16 August 2006, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by RB5_245
Just not true.
GT3 or faster, then yes. otherwise no.
(just pointing out a couple of facts without taking sides, a few months ago I was considering swapping the RB5 for a 996 C2. Love the 911 myself, wish I could afford GT3)
GT3 or faster, then yes. otherwise no.
(just pointing out a couple of facts without taking sides, a few months ago I was considering swapping the RB5 for a 996 C2. Love the 911 myself, wish I could afford GT3)
7'40 - Porsche 997 turbo - 2006
7'41 - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp - 2004
7'42 - Ford GT - 2005
7'42 - Mosler MT900S Photon - 2004
7'42 - Radical 1500 SR3 – 2003
7'42.9 - Corvette Z06 - 2005
7'43 - Porsche 997 GT3 - 2006
7'43 - Porsche 996 GT3 RS - 2005
7'43 - TechArt Porsche GT Street - 2002
7'43 - Lamborghini Murcielago – 2002
7'44 - Pagani Zonda C12 S - 2002
7'45 - McLaren F1 – (the lap time is taken from a video available at pistonheads driven by the cars owner, not a proper factory driver).
7'46 - Jaguar XJ220 - 2000
7'46 - Porsche 996 GT2 - 2001
7'47 - Porsche 996 GT3 RS - 2004
7'49 - BMW X5 LeMans -
7'49 - Porsche 996 GT3 Cup - 1999
7'50 - BMW M3 CSL E46 - 2003
7'50 - Westfield Megabusa - 1999
7'52 - Ford GT - 2006
7'52 - BMW M5 E60 – date of test unkown (car was delimited).
7'52 - Lamborghini Gallardo – 2003
7'54 - Mercedes CLK DTM AMG - 2005
7'55 - Caterham R500 Superlight - 2000
7'56 - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale - 2004
7'56 - Porsche 996 Turbo - 2000
7'56 - Chevrolet Corvette Z05 C5 – 2003
7'56.- Honda NSX-R - 2002
7'58 - Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI - 2005
7'59 - Chevrolet C6 Z51 –
7'59 - Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R - 1997
7'59.93 - Subaru Impreza WRX STi spec C prototype - 2004
8'03 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage - 2005
8'04 - Lamborghini Diablo GT - 2000
8'05 - Ferrari 575M - 2002
8'05 - Ruf CTR -
8'06 - Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG – 2002
8'06.59 - Impreza Sti spec C - 2002
7'41 - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413hp - 2004
7'42 - Ford GT - 2005
7'42 - Mosler MT900S Photon - 2004
7'42 - Radical 1500 SR3 – 2003
7'42.9 - Corvette Z06 - 2005
7'43 - Porsche 997 GT3 - 2006
7'43 - Porsche 996 GT3 RS - 2005
7'43 - TechArt Porsche GT Street - 2002
7'43 - Lamborghini Murcielago – 2002
7'44 - Pagani Zonda C12 S - 2002
7'45 - McLaren F1 – (the lap time is taken from a video available at pistonheads driven by the cars owner, not a proper factory driver).
7'46 - Jaguar XJ220 - 2000
7'46 - Porsche 996 GT2 - 2001
7'47 - Porsche 996 GT3 RS - 2004
7'49 - BMW X5 LeMans -
7'49 - Porsche 996 GT3 Cup - 1999
7'50 - BMW M3 CSL E46 - 2003
7'50 - Westfield Megabusa - 1999
7'52 - Ford GT - 2006
7'52 - BMW M5 E60 – date of test unkown (car was delimited).
7'52 - Lamborghini Gallardo – 2003
7'54 - Mercedes CLK DTM AMG - 2005
7'55 - Caterham R500 Superlight - 2000
7'56 - Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale - 2004
7'56 - Porsche 996 Turbo - 2000
7'56 - Chevrolet Corvette Z05 C5 – 2003
7'56.- Honda NSX-R - 2002
7'58 - Audi RS4 4.2 V8 FSI - 2005
7'59 - Chevrolet C6 Z51 –
7'59 - Nissan Skyline R33 GT-R - 1997
7'59.93 - Subaru Impreza WRX STi spec C prototype - 2004
8'03 - Aston Martin V8 Vantage - 2005
8'04 - Lamborghini Diablo GT - 2000
8'05 - Ferrari 575M - 2002
8'05 - Ruf CTR -
8'06 - Mercedes Benz SL55 AMG – 2002
8'06.59 - Impreza Sti spec C - 2002
16 August 2006, 11:42 AM
#117
Haven't read the whole thread but i live in an affluent area of London and the cars that fill up at the local Tesco garage (which only has 95 and Diesel) are a steady stream of Ferraris, Porsches and Bentleys.
16 August 2006, 11:57 AM
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Audilover - my point exactly, the only 911's under 8 mins are GT3's 2's and turbos.
The RB5 is a WW2 fighter plane. Had to get the guns taken off for road use though.
One of the main reasons, probably the deciding factor was that the basic 996 just wasn't quick enough. I couldn't really stretch to an S and having not driven one don't know if that extra couple of horses would sway it.
Anyway, my appologies. Off topic again!
The RB5 is a WW2 fighter plane. Had to get the guns taken off for road use though.
One of the main reasons, probably the deciding factor was that the basic 996 just wasn't quick enough. I couldn't really stretch to an S and having not driven one don't know if that extra couple of horses would sway it.
Anyway, my appologies. Off topic again!
16 August 2006, 12:26 PM
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My 2ps worth,
- what about all those high revving high power (e.g. 180+bhp from 998c) and they run just fine on ordinary unleaded, forget Optimax and all that crap unless you have specifically mapped your car to do it (but I wouldn't bother)
- I had a Scooby turbo and get to regularly drive a 03 911 C4S and find both very boring (maybe not the right word but hopefully you know what I mean - simply I was the limit not the car on the road) as they are so so competant. My suggestion is buy something a bit cheaper, less power, less weight and drive on the edge a bit more (Elise/VX etc etc), much better way to go.
Same rules apply for bikes, the more you work at it the better the rewards.
- what about all those high revving high power (e.g. 180+bhp from 998c) and they run just fine on ordinary unleaded, forget Optimax and all that crap unless you have specifically mapped your car to do it (but I wouldn't bother)
- I had a Scooby turbo and get to regularly drive a 03 911 C4S and find both very boring (maybe not the right word but hopefully you know what I mean - simply I was the limit not the car on the road) as they are so so competant. My suggestion is buy something a bit cheaper, less power, less weight and drive on the edge a bit more (Elise/VX etc etc), much better way to go.
Same rules apply for bikes, the more you work at it the better the rewards.
16 August 2006, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by RB5_245
Audilover - my point exactly, the only 911's under 8 mins are GT3's 2's and turbos.
The RB5 is a WW2 fighter plane. Had to get the guns taken off for road use though.
One of the main reasons, probably the deciding factor was that the basic 996 just wasn't quick enough. I couldn't really stretch to an S and having not driven one don't know if that extra couple of horses would sway it.
Anyway, my appologies. Off topic again!
The RB5 is a WW2 fighter plane. Had to get the guns taken off for road use though.
One of the main reasons, probably the deciding factor was that the basic 996 just wasn't quick enough. I couldn't really stretch to an S and having not driven one don't know if that extra couple of horses would sway it.
Anyway, my appologies. Off topic again!
Porsche Carrera S (997) -------------------------------- 1.14,3 min
Lamborghini Diablo GT --------------------------------- 1.14,4 min
BMW M6 -------------------------------------------------- 1.14,4 min
Z4 Alpina Roadster S------------------------------------- 1.14,4 min
Honda NSX-R -------------------------------------------- 1.14,6 min
Porsche 911 Turbo (420hp) ---------------------------- 1.14,6 min
Ferrari 575M --------------------------------------------- 1.14,7 min
Aston Martin V8 Vantage --------------------------------- 1.14,8 min (R-tires)
Corvette C6 ---------------------------------------------- 1.14,8 min
Porsche 911 GT3 (old) ---------------------------------- 1.14,9 min
Viper SRT-10 --------------------------------------------- 1.14,9 min
Mercedes CLK-DTM Cabriolet -------------------------------- 1.15,0 min
Ferrari 360M --------------------------------------------- 1.15,1 min
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 ---------------------------------- 1.15,3 min
Ferrari F355----------------------------------------------- 1.15.3 min
Porsche Cayman S --------------------------------------- 1.15.5 min
Mercedes SL 65 ------------------------------------------ 1.15.6 min
Wendland-Porsche Cayman S (320hp) ------------------------- 1.15.8 min
Techart-Porsche Cayman S (310hp) ------------------------- 1.15.8 min
Audi RS4 (V8) ---------------------------------------- 1.15.8 min
Viper GTS (1997) ---------------------------------------- 1.15.9 min
Corvette C5 Com. Edition -------------------------------- 1.15,9 min
Ferrari 550M --------------------------------------------- 1.16,1 min
Maserati GranSport ------------------------------------- 1.16.2 min
Ferrari 612 Scaglietti ----------------------------------- 1.16,2 min
Porsche Boxster S ---------------------------------------- 1.16.2 min
BMW M3 E46 ---------------------------------------------- 1.16,3 min
M5 ---------------------------------------------------------1:16.3 min
Lamborghini Diablo SV ---------------------------------- 1.16.4 min
Lotus Exige -------------------------------------------------- 1.16,5 min
BMW M5 E60 --------------------------------------------- 1.16,5 min
Mercedes SL55 (facelift, 517hp) ----------------------------- 1.16,5 min
BMW Z4 M Roadster ----------------------------------- 1.16,7 min
BMW 645i -------------------------------------------------- 1.16,8 min
Mitsubishi Evo IX ----------------------------------------- 1.16.8 min
Cayman S ------------------------------------------------ 1:16.9 min
Mercedes SLK 55 ------------------------------------------ 1.17,1 min
Opel Speedster --------------------------------------------- 1.17,1 min
Aston Martin Vanquish ----------------------------------- 1.17,2 min
Z4M Coupe ------------------------------------------------- 1:17.2
BMW Z3M Coupé ------------------------------------------ 1.17,2 min
BMW Z8 --------------------------------------------------- 1.17,4 min
BMW Z4 3.0si Roadster ----------------------------- 1.17,7 min
Audi RS6 -------------------------------------------------- 1.17,6 min
BMW M5 E39 ------------------------------------------------ 1.17,6 min
Aston Martin DB9 ----------------------------------------- 1.17,7 min
Mercedes SLK55 (tested a second time) ---------------- 1.17,7 min
Mercedes CLS 55 ---------------------------------------- 1.17,8 min
Subaru Impreza WRX STi (265hp) ----------------------- 1.17,9 min
Mercedes E55 (476hp) ------------------------------------ 1.18,0 min
Mercedes SL 500 ------------------------------------------ 1.18,1 min
BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (231hp) --------------------------------- 1.18,1 min
Audi RS4 (old) --------------------------------------------- 1.18,2 min
Mitsubishi EVO 7 -------------------------------------------- 1.18,2 min
BMW Z3M Roadster ---------------------------------------- 1.18,2 min
Porsche Boxster S (252 hp) -------------------------------- 1.18,3 min
Brabus-Mercedes CLK 5.8 (1998) -------------------------- 1.18,3 min
Mercedes SL 55 ------------------------------------------ 1.18,4 min
Mitsubishi EVO 6 -------------------------------------------- 1.18,4 min
Maserati 3200 GT ------------------------------------------- 1.18,4 min
Mercedes CL 65 ---------------------------------------------- 1.18,4 min
Mercedes SLK 32 ------------------------------------------- 1.18,5 min
Mercedes C55 --------------------------------------------- 1.18,6 min
Mercedes SLK 350 ----------------------------------- 1.18,7 min
Mk2 Audi TT (200hp) ------------------------------------ 1:18.8 min
Lamborghini Diablo GT --------------------------------- 1.14,4 min
BMW M6 -------------------------------------------------- 1.14,4 min
Z4 Alpina Roadster S------------------------------------- 1.14,4 min
Honda NSX-R -------------------------------------------- 1.14,6 min
Porsche 911 Turbo (420hp) ---------------------------- 1.14,6 min
Ferrari 575M --------------------------------------------- 1.14,7 min
Aston Martin V8 Vantage --------------------------------- 1.14,8 min (R-tires)
Corvette C6 ---------------------------------------------- 1.14,8 min
Porsche 911 GT3 (old) ---------------------------------- 1.14,9 min
Viper SRT-10 --------------------------------------------- 1.14,9 min
Mercedes CLK-DTM Cabriolet -------------------------------- 1.15,0 min
Ferrari 360M --------------------------------------------- 1.15,1 min
Lotus Esprit Sport 350 ---------------------------------- 1.15,3 min
Ferrari F355----------------------------------------------- 1.15.3 min
Porsche Cayman S --------------------------------------- 1.15.5 min
Mercedes SL 65 ------------------------------------------ 1.15.6 min
Wendland-Porsche Cayman S (320hp) ------------------------- 1.15.8 min
Techart-Porsche Cayman S (310hp) ------------------------- 1.15.8 min
Audi RS4 (V8) ---------------------------------------- 1.15.8 min
Viper GTS (1997) ---------------------------------------- 1.15.9 min
Corvette C5 Com. Edition -------------------------------- 1.15,9 min
Ferrari 550M --------------------------------------------- 1.16,1 min
Maserati GranSport ------------------------------------- 1.16.2 min
Ferrari 612 Scaglietti ----------------------------------- 1.16,2 min
Porsche Boxster S ---------------------------------------- 1.16.2 min
BMW M3 E46 ---------------------------------------------- 1.16,3 min
M5 ---------------------------------------------------------1:16.3 min
Lamborghini Diablo SV ---------------------------------- 1.16.4 min
Lotus Exige -------------------------------------------------- 1.16,5 min
BMW M5 E60 --------------------------------------------- 1.16,5 min
Mercedes SL55 (facelift, 517hp) ----------------------------- 1.16,5 min
BMW Z4 M Roadster ----------------------------------- 1.16,7 min
BMW 645i -------------------------------------------------- 1.16,8 min
Mitsubishi Evo IX ----------------------------------------- 1.16.8 min
Cayman S ------------------------------------------------ 1:16.9 min
Mercedes SLK 55 ------------------------------------------ 1.17,1 min
Opel Speedster --------------------------------------------- 1.17,1 min
Aston Martin Vanquish ----------------------------------- 1.17,2 min
Z4M Coupe ------------------------------------------------- 1:17.2
BMW Z3M Coupé ------------------------------------------ 1.17,2 min
BMW Z8 --------------------------------------------------- 1.17,4 min
BMW Z4 3.0si Roadster ----------------------------- 1.17,7 min
Audi RS6 -------------------------------------------------- 1.17,6 min
BMW M5 E39 ------------------------------------------------ 1.17,6 min
Aston Martin DB9 ----------------------------------------- 1.17,7 min
Mercedes SLK55 (tested a second time) ---------------- 1.17,7 min
Mercedes CLS 55 ---------------------------------------- 1.17,8 min
Subaru Impreza WRX STi (265hp) ----------------------- 1.17,9 min
Mercedes E55 (476hp) ------------------------------------ 1.18,0 min
Mercedes SL 500 ------------------------------------------ 1.18,1 min
BMW Z4 3.0 SMG (231hp) --------------------------------- 1.18,1 min
Audi RS4 (old) --------------------------------------------- 1.18,2 min
Mitsubishi EVO 7 -------------------------------------------- 1.18,2 min
BMW Z3M Roadster ---------------------------------------- 1.18,2 min
Porsche Boxster S (252 hp) -------------------------------- 1.18,3 min
Brabus-Mercedes CLK 5.8 (1998) -------------------------- 1.18,3 min
Mercedes SL 55 ------------------------------------------ 1.18,4 min
Mitsubishi EVO 6 -------------------------------------------- 1.18,4 min
Maserati 3200 GT ------------------------------------------- 1.18,4 min
Mercedes CL 65 ---------------------------------------------- 1.18,4 min
Mercedes SLK 32 ------------------------------------------- 1.18,5 min
Mercedes C55 --------------------------------------------- 1.18,6 min
Mercedes SLK 350 ----------------------------------- 1.18,7 min
Mk2 Audi TT (200hp) ------------------------------------ 1:18.8 min
Not that im saying the scooby is bad, the TT is just extraordinarily good