RB5_245

Yank '92' is measured in pon, not ron so is actually closer to 94-95 ron.

Anyway, I don't think they're snobbish just because they don't want to race. I don't bother with astras/nova's/ctrs or any of that because I'm not inquisative as to how my car performs against one. same goes the other way I'm sure.

Dave

pvtbanner

IMO anyone who drives a lambo/porshe/ferrari and boots it away from the lights is ***. There is absolutely no point. These cars are not just designed to be driven hard. They are there to be admired and drooled after also. These cars cost the earth because of the badge.
I work in notts and regularly see a yellow Gallardo driving about around Hucknall. An everyday "tesco" supercar if ever there was one. And he doesn't drive like a *** either, which is good cos all us normo's wouldn't get to see it much otherwise :-)
You cant say in breath I dont drive like a *** but expect supercar owners to do so.
Grow up

Gangsta Smurf

If you can afford to buy a £100k+ motor you just don't worry about something like depreciation. The cost is insignificant ... just like fuel!

bear in mind that in order to comfortably afford to buy something like a 997 outright and live a comfortable life in a nice part of the country you will need to be earning circa £150k per year!

flynnstudio

I Bet he does drive like a ***!! it's just that he'll probably be very very discrete about it...probably in the middle of nowhere at 2:00 a.m in the morning on 100% deserted roads...and he'll be doing it year in year out with nobody any the wiser whilst all the stupid c*cks who don't really care about the safety of others, or about real driving as much as they do about posing take all the heat (and deservedly so) by drving like utter w*nkers during the daytime in busy town centres...

New_scooby_04

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Anyone lend me £149.............................................. ..........k?

Gangsta Smurf

well worth the spend out though. Drove a new 997 turbo 2 days after an F430 and it completely trounced the fezza in everyway apart from sound! The 18000 mile service interval is mental considering how complex and advanced the porka engine is.

Best supercar available atm IMO.

911

Well, we have the lot now on this subject!

911 drivers are rich old middle aged snobs who never use the cars, in matching uniforms, but some blast The Ring for ages (which they certainly do, AND then drive home to their £150K jobs.)

My maths were based on my 2 litre which might hit 400 bhp on a certain RR day (407 to be true) and that is about 200 bhp a litre, but on Optimax.NF and the demon AndyF touch.

Drag racing from traffic lights is for boy racers and is possibly dangerous as most light by me are in built-up areas?

The 911 I have is old.
It cost me £3K and has had 3 engines to 'go faster'

The 997 is from a different solar system in comparison as it should be, and the price reflects the engineering, image, and residual values the car enjoys.

Other than the specialist Impreza's (22B etc) name one Impreza that matches the above.

25K to buy, a plunging image(?), and poor depreciation.

Can you justify the cost of a 997/GT3 etc? too true if that is what you want, have worked for and waited till you are old enough to afford one why not? Not many get one on a plate.
If your boss has one and you resent it, go and start a company and get where he is!

Graham.

Gangsta Smurf

I now **** myself with laughter every time I hear an impreza driver say that they 'beat' or 'kept-up' with a 911 in order to make out that is is in someway not a sensational car and on par with a subaru.

As you said matey ... from a different galaxy!

flynnstudio

http://www.gmundcars.com/cars/563/91...ra32sport.html


New engine rebuild - YR '89 - so she'll be a nice tight fast little tart ( in the right hands of course) ...serious professional committed driver ONLY need try to tame her cos if she bites you there'll be no 4 squeeling wheel drive power drift to pull your sorry **** out of the mess you got yourself into BUT when you learn her ways and take the line perfectly at speed, squatting down her tidy round backside into the tarmac like no other car can do...then there will be no scooby able to keep pace with you and she will embed herself into your very soul...

...oh and she has gold wheels which all us scooby tarts love...apparently...

New_scooby_04

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Woa, woa, woa. I think your reading too much into some people's comments mate! Just because someones car is on a par with another car with respect to performance doesn't mean they automatically think its on a par in other respects.

I'd bet on my Classic keeping up with, if not beating my mates' 996 and Bentley continental to 100.

Do I therefore think my car is in the same league as theirs?

Not a chance!!

Rice rockets are about reliable and practical "bang for ya buck" and to hell with anything else!

Ns04

PS Both of the above mates love the Scooby to bits- they just say -quite rightly- that they couldn't exactly use it to take execs to board meetings!

I'm quite keen on their cars too!

Paul3446

Quote by 94impreza
We both pulled up at lights next to a 911 Carrera, totally disinterested, i'd just once like to actually see what these cars are capable of even if they smoke me completely and make my pride and joy look like a kids toy. Had it been a Supra/Evo/M3/Skyline theres no doubt we'd have had some fun on some quiet roads on a sunny Sunday afternoon. Yet most Porsche owners seem to think they are "above" everyone else.


Here we have the basis of 94impreza's argument, because a Porsche didn't feel the need to race a spotty chav in an Impreza, he obviously thinks he is above everyone else?

What a f*cking stupid assumption! I've lost count of the number of times I've p*ssed myself, as inferior cars fly away from the lights while I slowly pull away in my Impreza laughing at how stupid they look.

Boyakasha

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Gangsta don't tell my misses that with the £150k she only got a 987

But to everyone's relief it does get fed with Optimax

Boyakasha

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Oh and forgot to say this isn't as bad as the day I pulled up behind a guy in a 318i who was putting in Optimax

Trout

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Now that is funny

Diablo

At the risk of a tangential post, not necessarily

My MY99 Impreza - on SUL it was smooth and had ****e fuel consumption. On NUL, it was rough and had even worse than ****e fuel consumption. So, SUL it was for most of the time. Service guys used to comment that it was one of the nicest running and quickest totally standard cars they serviced.

MY2000 Integra Type R. Ran like a bag of nails on NUL, rough, noisy and thirsty. On SUL, was smooth, quieter, more responsive (as you'd expect) and more fuel efficient.

Citroen C2GT - don't laugh - smoother and measurably more fuel efficient on SUL. Enough to compensate for the price difference.

It stands to reason - on the cars in question SUL will allow more ignition advance, hence smoother and more efficient running. Why the Honda was noisier on NUL I have no idea.

So whilst the 318i doesn't need SUL, it may not be as daft an idea as it first appears.

911

I find it interesting that the '911' is always the car in the cross hair of (any) other car at the lights.

The whole scenario makes me cringe with embarrasment.

The 911 is a car for so many people.
A cruiser, a 'Ring basher, a mid-life treat, a realisation of a school boy dream, bait for other fab cars/drivers/heros.

Why not a TVR?
Ferrari?
Noble?
Audi RS4 V8 (cheaper!)

The fact that the iconic 911 is on so many peoples list, right at the top, must say how good it is as most want to shoot it down.

It represents so much to so many.

I've really enjoyed mine for 18 years, all blood sweat and tears and great memories, doubt my Sti will leave such a mark on me.

Here I am, a company director, over 50, good salary, no Porsche uniform, in the Old Banger: Meet some people's perception?

And today:

And when the 911 bites back...


Hero pictures, yes of course, but doing the real thing and not pratting about at traffic lights...


Graham.

RB5_245

Brilliant photos, what year is the first 911 one?

trails

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great post...if you have to explain it to people they were never going to understand in the first place

ian

Shark Man

Mind the 911 perception rings true for current cars. Any idiot can drive them (just like the impreza...funny that, as many drive them too).

The old ones need a bit more **** clenching, a much stronger clutch foot and some arm muscles, seeing that steering isn't a task capeable of being done by your little pinky finger - unless you want it dislocated (as opposed to the limp wisted efforts needed to steer an Impreza, or new age 911 ).

And old school owners won't get **** about gaining whopping 10bhp by running a different fuel. They just get on with more important things: Like driving the thing


Shark Man ~ When do you chnage the coolant? What coolant?

911

Well, this 'I beat a 911' thing is all 'Top Gear' to me.

The 911 is a 1973 classic with a 240 bhp 3.2 engine, chipped, 32 mpg and weighs 1010Kg.
Crap in a staight line 'drag' due to the gearbox (so long and slow!), but get it over 30 mph and a good A road with a 200 mile run ahead of you on a bright crisp sunday and the world become a mist of magic.
It has open exhausts and the flat 6 is purity to any real petrol head.

It has held its value for 12 years now, costs £147 fully comp to insure too...

The Impreza is a real hot-shot. Ballistic on the road and track, crap fuel consumption killer road houlding and even comfortable too (in a semi race kind of way)

My mum loves them both, my petrol head daught expects to inherit them bith and my wife sort of likes them...I tend to drive the 911 on my own.

for fun and to annoy some of you:

http://www.dropshots.com/daymainfram...0030101&cimg=0
http://www.dropshots.com/daymainfram...0030101&cimg=1
http://www.dropshots.com/daymainfram...0030101&cimg=2

Graham.

Real 911's don't have water pumps...
I think Shark Man fully understands these cars.

And the moody ones:

blueangel

p1doc

surprised me as well,remember filling up ford ka with tecso petrol and s4 owner is putting same petrol in (no 99 ron up north) had a chat to him said his car has been in due to poor idling had new sparkplugs in and out for ecu checks-i suggested optimax shame to see car not been given good petrol.
quite a few mates have porsches only ones i like are 964 carrera 4-look very cool 993's are slow and too much money and mate with 996 has had continual oil/coolant leaks not good for £80,000 car!
at end of day everyone likes different cars
martin

555Rob555

I couldn't be assed to go through the chest poking on the other 2 pages.....

If the guy in the porker didn't want to race, so what?!
I myself, take great pleasure in baiting **** box Novas, Saxos etc. I let them think they have a race on, by revving, nudging etc, then just trundle away as they f**k off in a cloud of tyre smoke and make a complete c#ck of themselves.

Shark Man

Indeed

I even drove an old 912 last week, dispite being a poor 911 dogged with a 1.6 4pot 356 engine, it still managed to put a big grin on my face!

~ Life is a spare fan belt in your tool kit

911

1990 C2/C4 with Cup wheels and a good chipping, or preferably sat low on Bilsteins.....
Could sell mine for that spec.

Graham

Criss

I used to put it in my 1.2 fiesta On average, I got about 5mpg more on 98 than on 95ron even though it ran fine on both.
No performence increase that was noticable, but for the extra 2p a litre and getting that extra milage to a tank was worth it!

I see loads of cars that blatently ain't turbo'd or sporty putting in optimax, yeah you may feel lke a tit putting it in a 1.0l nova, but it does help with extra mpg

and it makes your small engine/bhp car faster (apparently, when I asked my m8)

flynnstudio

lovely 911 Graham - I'm very jealous!!....

All this talk has really got me wet for another - I just put the idea very tentatively to my wife - her exact words 'If you do that I'd be VERY upset' - she looked like she really meant it...

Why is it wives are ok with scoobies but totally flip out over a classic stripped out 911 ???

BOO HOO!!!....

Trout

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Surely one of the great joys of the earlier, lighter 911s is that the steering is so beautifully light, yet unassisted. Early 911s must be one of the greatest steering cars ever.

The newer ones that are heavier and need power assistance just are not as good IMHO. I cannot comment on the latest RS though which is supposed to be very special.

Most Impreza owners would be shocked by proper steering feel.

You are right about the clutch muscles though

Shark Man

Indeed, depeds which year as front tyres got progressively wider as the years went on. Most of my old 911 experience is based in the mid 80's. Which I never found overly heavy imo, but with the feedback and and near perfect loading up on cornering they were far cry from the single hand - one fingered affair you get today, it ruins the fun

Supersport and Turbo is the heaviest from what I recall. Also it varied if you had a full tank or not (90litres plus 10 reserve = close to 100kg on the front axle). Tyres gave interesting differences in feedback, a pair of well scrubbed Dunlop D40s gave very agressive feedback, whilst swapping to SP9000s would make it much softer.

~ Blower by the steering, Heater by the handbrake, A/C on top of the tape rack (only if your a flash git)

911

Yep!
That's why i said 'over 30 mph...'
The wheel moves gently in your hands as it tracks every contour.
With no engine weight over the front axle turn-in is magic, the chassis flow is like GTX (got to keep it in period!) good and hot, and the 'hum' through the stiff chassis on custom valved Bilteins and Turbo torsion bars is dreamy.
When it comes to the 4 wheel un-servo'd disc brakes, a good leg is needed but they are just so progressive and full od touch and ultimatly bite!

Real cars and full to brimming with true character and spirit, bit like....can't really think of anything else.

2 of my fav pics:



Graham