stilover

Nearly every manufacturer have a 5% tolerance in BHP figures, meaning that an Impreza that states it has 265bhp, could in fact only have only 251bhp. Porsche on the other hand pride themselves on only having a 1% tolerance with their engines.

I know which engine I'd rather have.

As mentioned above, a Scooby, Evo, etc are very good at what they do, but just reading `Evo Magazine` shows that the Porsche is soo much more than a Scoob. Driving dynamics, feel, handling etc are what a Porsche is better than probably most other cars. Yes, a tuned up scoob would beat a standard 911 (996) at the Traffic lights GP, but can't really see a standard scoob beat a standard 911, GT3, GT2, Turbo etc, etc.

If I had the money, I'd take a 911 over any Scoob. In fact a second hand 911 is one of the possible cars for next year............. Just need the prices of the 996 C4S to come down slightly

Alan MaC

The reason I spoke to the Porsche chap at the Garage was, I genuinely thought such a motor would use high performance fuel.

I was really surpised to see this and thought, it would be nice just to make sure he was OK, as in "all there".

As I said, nice chap dead happy filling it up with that stuff and, a nice day to be driving with his roof down.

Still surprised by the Porsche owners here who say it's OK to put in OUL & 1 chap says SUL?

Anyway it still surprised me &, I was curious to see if it was going to go bang further down the road.

Thanks for everyone's views.

Kind regards


Alan MaC

RB5_245

porsche has to be able to run on perfectly on 95, as reliability is one of the principals they're reputation relies on. Even in the face of stupidity, any idiot has to be able to own one without blowing it up.

Subaru seems to have let it's reputation for building unbreakable cars when they started bringing out the sti's. unfortunately they overestimated the intellegence level of the average owner. It's no wonder the JDM STi was not released over here given the culture of F*** things up then blame someone else. They would probably still be known as the germans are if it wasn't for the grey import market.

Dave

EmEm

Well, my boss drives a Porche 911, and I asked him what he fills it up with and he said NORMAL petrol!!!!!
I gave him a right telling off!!!!!

94impreza

Again please read my original post where i said they "seem" to think they are above other road users. I'm jealous of the money these people obviously have or their parents obviously have, but as for their choice of car and their snobbish "You're not worthy of my time or energy" attitude they seem to have. Also if they are arrogant enough to have to drive round in a £100k car then you'd expect them to not want to be out-done by a 12yr old £2k car.
Porsche designed and improved their (what 40yr old ?) benchmark for better handling/acceleration/braking/MPG, do you honestly think they had a trip to Tesco's in mind ?
Again its "Go to track-days" etc etc, but are we not talking about a road-going car here ?
Seems to me my point of them not wanting to enjoy their car in the way it was designed to on the road is unchallenged .

StickyMicky

till you drive it off the forecourt and it drops in value by 50%

Trout

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Only quoting what the handbook states

Personally I went from Classic STi to Porsche 993 Carrera to JDM Spec C.

The Spec C is hugely quicker than even a series 2 GT3 in the hands of the majority of drivers. Even in the hands of experts the GT3 is only a tiny shade quicker (5s at the Ring).

Interestingly the STi V had pretty much the same figures as the 993 Carrera - quarter mile times, 0-100, 0-60. On the road it 'felt' slower but that was because it was smoother.

Nevertheless the GT3 has to be one of the most desirable drivers cars in the world. And go to an RMA track day you will see them being driven as intended

The brakes, the steering feel and response, the chassis, the engine. All perfect.

But I will stick with the Spec C until I can afford cash for the GT3

Then I will pull up next to Scoob/Evo/Skyline owners at the lights and let them rev the nuts of their little toys and disappear off up the road in a cloud of blue oil smoke wondering why they feel the need to try so hard

PS Edited to add that on the road my mates thought I drove the 911 more aggressively than I drove the Scoob. Still didn't race Scoobs at the lights though, no point

94impreza

So your going to go out and spend how much more for a very similar performing car, and then you won't bother with scoobs "Whats the point ?".
Let me just clarify you are going to buy a Porsche and then snub scoob owners ?
I have no idea where i got the opinion Porsche owners were arrogant tw@ts that think they are "above scoob owners" with too much money.
*edit* I've never once stated i "rev the nuts out of my scoob at the lights" thats just ridiculous fast and furious behaviour.

Trout

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As the Galaxy advert says, "Why have cotton when you can have silk?"

image doctor

I think cheap jap crap owners "seem" to think the owners are stuck up, where in fact if thery bothered to speak to them, they may indeed fine them quite normal.

I think it's jap owners own insecurity that help them feel better when they say the owner is a snob/w@nker/arrongant.

New_scooby_04

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Going back to the posters point:

If you can afford a car like that, you can afford to feed it the good stuff - I would have been surprised too!

Ns04

Trout

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Your inferiority complex knows no bounds.

Where did I even hint that I was going to snub Scoob owners. You are very keen that Porsche owners should race at the lights and 'have a little fun' down the road.

That fact that I don't feel the need to race other Scoobs at the lights is actually true in my Scoob as well as when I had a Porsche! But that didn't actually cross your mind

When I had my Porsche I still went to all the Scoob events, I have even driven half way across the country in it to support my old car at an event at Bruntingthorpe. Although we were outdone by the Evo boys bringing a Ferrari 360

And shock horror, some of the Scoob drivers even wanted to go out and drive the Porsche - and none of them seemed at all superior or whatever it is you think Porsche drivers are.

94impreza

Why pay £100k for something made of silk thats never going to be worn .

As for insecurity and Jap crap owners - Would it be fair to say most scoob owners on here if they were approached by a Supra/Evo/CTR/RX7-8/ST220/Vectra/GTI/TT/RS4 etc etc would consider having a little fun on an empty road ? As i'm sure most of the previously mentioned vehicles would feel the same whether or not their cars were inferior/superior. In my experience the same would happen with a Porsche, yet the fun option would go out of the window. Surely it can't be down to the owners of the above stated vehicles that has the bad attitude ?.
I've yet to read a post where someone says they met a like-minded Porsche and had some great fun even though they got pissed on.


Maybe its a myth Porsche's are quick

*Edit* Rannock - You stated you have driven more aggressively in the 911, that to me would suggest you are not adverse to having a little fun. In the same post you stated in your Porsche there was no point having the same fun when up against a scoob. Yet still in the same post you say there's not much difference performance-wise ?
Are you meaning there's no point because its a dangerous situation to be in no matter what vehicles are used ?

image doctor

Porsche owners are usually a bit more mature than your average chavvy jap car owner. Hence they dont do the "race" on the roads thing.

flynnstudio

Here's a nutshell..

Once upon a time Porsche made one car - the 911. Every single last person in the organisation from the CEO to the engineers right down to the janitor worked exclusively towards making a better 911. Nothing else!...

The 911 was engineered in an era when pure mechanical engineering was king...as such they didn't have 'electronically advancing or retarding cpu's so they mapped it for everyday fuel.

...to that end any pre '89 911 is an incredibly focused RAW and intensely exhilerating and affordable driving machine.

You really have not ticked off one of 'life's greatest pleasures' boxes until you've owned one...

I'd wager to say that a stripped out sub 1 tonne Carrera with a healthy flat six pushing out 245bhp IS one hundred times more fun and involving than any scooby...

A 911 will MAKE you a better driver - a scooby will let you be a lazy one...

Gutmann pug

makes the hairs stand up on the back of my neck just thinking about it flynnstudio

94impreza

I don't doubt for a second even an ageing 911 is fun, when used as its meant to be. Whats fun driving at 30mph on an open road ?
I take it nobody has personally witnessed a 911 used as it was designed for on the road ?

Trout

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The nail, the head and the hammer are in very close proximity

All I am saying is that I love driving in a fun way on open roads.

I am also saying that I don't feel the need to race on the road to know that I can drive quickly or that my car is fast.

If you need any proof come out with me on a dawn drive across North Yorkshire. Or even better come out on track where you can really drive through the limits and beyond.

Realistically to drive any of these cars to the true limit on the road is insane - it can be done so much more easily and safely on track.

Rannoch

Rabid

I witnessed it first hand, even at moderate speeds my 911 was miles more fun than my 'classic' Impreza. Country roads with national speed limit were to be relished in the 911 and merely despatched with boring ease in the Impreza.

You can have more fun, at lower speeds in the right 911 than you could ever have in an Impreza.

Unless of course standing starts in the wet at 6K revs from the lights is the type of thing that floats your boat.

Martin WRX22

Thats a FACT.

I know a lad with a Carrera 4S who uses the same. The reason is he can`t afford to put owt else in!!

flynnstudio

I've got a cockpit taken video of me exiting the final bend of a series of interconnected S bends at midnight on a 'private road' at 145mph...best I can get the scooby out of there is about 110mph...I have a similar clip of me going through a long sweeping curve with a decreasing radius at about 127mph in the 911 and she still had more to give - best I can get the scooby to do is about 110mph...I could approach a corner at 120mph in the 911 stamp the brakes through the weight to the front and come down on the pedal like a ton of bricks and she'd stop in a hearbeat with no weave and no skidding...the scooby on the exact same road is a bit like trying to stop a pedalo in a stormy sea...

I wasted an STI in my 911 - I've decimated a Monaro through sweeping bend and hairpins - I've defeated supercharged stripped out mk1 golfs - my 911 was KING!!

...2 years on and I still mourn her going today!!!

....and I did this ALL on private roads when normal people were asleep in their beds......

...and I did my own servicing...and she was cheaper to run and own than my 265bhp scooby!!!...

...believe me the 911 is STILL an amazing car...even if you don't want to believe it!!..

..but she was a dog in the wet - I'll give you all that much!!..

94impreza

Bit of a distance for me to travel lol but thanks for the invite, if your even in the South let me know and we can go for a blast. My point mainly is that there's no need to go out and spend a ludicrous amount of money on a car purposely built for speed unless at some point it would be used. Even in a non race situation i have never seen a 911 or Boxster being even slightly tested, and judging by the lack of opposition to this i gather that most other scoob owners have yet to witness the same.

*On another note i followed a bright Orange Lamborghini (mercialago ?*sp*) through a town centre the other day. Although my initial thought was "*******, wish i could afford one" as soon as the road opened he let rip and flew off out of site. I know this behaviour could be deemed by some users as wreckless but imo it was what the car was built for, rather than jealousy i then felt a huge amount of respect for him. You could hear him a mile away .

New_scooby_04

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Ns04

94impreza

Exactly what i was looking for, someone using it as it was meant to be used. I have never doubted a 911 to be an amazing car, never once said they were anything but a performance machine. I wish the Porsche owners in my area had the same personality and were prepared to let others see what they were capable of, maybe inspiring the next generation of Porsche owners.

Paul3446

Basically 94impreza is trying to encourage everyone to drive on the road like a complete tit!

Let it go mate, you're making yourself look a bit stupid and out of your depth.

BTW, I don't particularly like Porsches, but a lot of people do, get over it!

stilover

OK. I know someone who had a 911 (996) Carrera 3.6. I had a Focus RS (Blufined) and we often went the same way to work ie, town/Duel carriage way/B Road. He wasted me, the higher the speed, the more he pulled away.

Thinking I'm clever, I get a 05 STI PPP, he gets a 911 Turbo S. We meet again on the way to work. Not even in the same ball park. I got a brief shower of stones, and then a Cobalt blue Turbo rear end soon disappeared into the horizon.

Met another 911 Carrara 4 on a back road, and yes we were about the same, but put any 2 cars on the same stretch of back road and they'll be pretty close. Again, it all comes back to the driver. Put a clot in an Enzo and he could be beaten round a track by a very good driver in a Golf GTI.

As for Traffic light GP. I don't bother. I've had Saxo's, Pulsar GTI-R's, Rover's, anything really try to get me to race from the Traffic Lights. I grew out of that many years ago. Why bother. If I have a Faster car, why do I want to prove it?

davegtt

Give over. Your talking like Optimax is so much more expensive. we're talking a few pence in the litre... putting 50litres of SUL or OP over normal UL will probably cost you £2.50 more each time.... BIG difference

When did SUL get released to the open market? same with Optimax, Optimax didnt come out til about 2000 at a guess? So what should a 1999 poker run on? Your all talking rubbish. Your bl00dy scoobys would run fine on normal UL if you wasnt ragging it about like boy racers everywhere you go.... You particually want OP because it'll burn quicker/easier when youve got your foot down. The car wouldnt notice the difference if your driving around normally everywhere.

Regardless off what you think of poker owners Optimax and SUL are not always needed. Hence when you lot go racing your cars at the pod etc go and put octane booster in. You dont put octane booster in everytime you fill up do you?

94impreza

Not in the slightest. Rannock has already stated he drove aggresively, yet you don't seem to be pointing the finger at him. Again for those who can't read i have never stated i don't like Porsche's but was merely stating in my experience the owners have acted like snobs. In the first post i said i don't doubt some are genuinely nice people. Never race at traffic lights, nor have i said i have in this thread, if people are reading between the lines then thats their problem.

The Trooper 1815

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Nowt wrong with 95 or 97 or 99 or 100 RON . A lot better than yank 92 FFS. Back on thread.

image doctor

How does one act like a snob? I assume you've spoken to a few owners to form an opinion?

Or by not canning a car away from the lights, does that mean you are a snob