Killer dogs or killer owners?
12 August 2006, 07:38 PM
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Yep, Labradors do have a tendency as well, quite well documented, just dont get something you cant handle, I think we are safe from are blind and deaf 13 year old Cocker Spaniel, though the smell is as much of an assault to the nose as a Pit Bull to the leg !
12 August 2006, 07:43 PM
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To see how the American Pitbull breed has degenerated in the USA you should watch a film called 'Off the Chain.'
As a dog lover I found it VERY harsh viewing but also interesting to hear the story from both sides.
As a dog lover I found it VERY harsh viewing but also interesting to hear the story from both sides.
12 August 2006, 07:45 PM
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I doubt that it is in fact a pit bull as they are banned and most times it is a "Pitbull Type" which is used to describe almost any cross breed that has bitten. The Police find it easier to prosecute if it is described as a pitbull type even if it looks like a Lab. If you want further Proof look at Dr Roger Mugfords pictures of dogs Destroyed under the DDA as Pitbull types.
Yes I humanise it to make the point that people expect a high level of restraint of a dog than they do of humans which obviously is unrealistic.
Yes funny enough I am a dog owner!
No I am not saying this child should have been attacked but as neither of us knows the full facts you can’t say why it was attacked. But the point I made about there being a reason is still true. Dogs don’t attack without a reason even if you can’t be bothered to find the reason.
Yes the picture of the person bitten was shocking. Still doesn’t explain what happened? Pictures nether tell a whole story do they! But they are good to shock.
Yes I do think the child was lucky not to be bitten at the dog show, it wasn’t bitten because the dog was better behaved than the humans, the father as I said watched this unfolding and didn’t stop his child then when the danger was explained rather than learn a useful lesson he got aggressive? if a women walked up to me in the street muttering in a strange language waving a big stick up and down expecting me to just stay there when she is in my face and not react is unrealistic how do I know she isn’t going to hit me again? Why would you expect a dog not to think that as most people think hitting a dog is a good way to train it.
I meet loads of children when out who think they can just rush up to dogs waving hands etc up and down and touch them as they want with out asking if it is safe first this isn’t their fault it is the fault of the parents who don’t take responsibility for their children’s behaviour a bit like not teaching children to look before crossing a road and then complaining when run over.
As you said yourself these bites are probably the result of the dog feeling threatened by the person and defending its self in the only way it can. It can’t of course ask nicely if they would stop doing what ever the threatening action is can they.
Of course dog owners are responsible for their dogs in the same way parents are for their children they have to teach them the correct way to behave but also a lot of people want the dog to protect them their house and possibly their Scooby so it can be very difficult for the dog to work out who is friend and who is the person car jacking their owner on the door step for the cars keys!
Forgot to add that small dogs are more likely to bite than big dogs, if you ask Vets which are the problem for bitting it is always the small dogs.
Yes I humanise it to make the point that people expect a high level of restraint of a dog than they do of humans which obviously is unrealistic.
Yes funny enough I am a dog owner!
No I am not saying this child should have been attacked but as neither of us knows the full facts you can’t say why it was attacked. But the point I made about there being a reason is still true. Dogs don’t attack without a reason even if you can’t be bothered to find the reason.
Yes the picture of the person bitten was shocking. Still doesn’t explain what happened? Pictures nether tell a whole story do they! But they are good to shock.
Yes I do think the child was lucky not to be bitten at the dog show, it wasn’t bitten because the dog was better behaved than the humans, the father as I said watched this unfolding and didn’t stop his child then when the danger was explained rather than learn a useful lesson he got aggressive? if a women walked up to me in the street muttering in a strange language waving a big stick up and down expecting me to just stay there when she is in my face and not react is unrealistic how do I know she isn’t going to hit me again? Why would you expect a dog not to think that as most people think hitting a dog is a good way to train it.
I meet loads of children when out who think they can just rush up to dogs waving hands etc up and down and touch them as they want with out asking if it is safe first this isn’t their fault it is the fault of the parents who don’t take responsibility for their children’s behaviour a bit like not teaching children to look before crossing a road and then complaining when run over.
As you said yourself these bites are probably the result of the dog feeling threatened by the person and defending its self in the only way it can. It can’t of course ask nicely if they would stop doing what ever the threatening action is can they.
Of course dog owners are responsible for their dogs in the same way parents are for their children they have to teach them the correct way to behave but also a lot of people want the dog to protect them their house and possibly their Scooby so it can be very difficult for the dog to work out who is friend and who is the person car jacking their owner on the door step for the cars keys!
Forgot to add that small dogs are more likely to bite than big dogs, if you ask Vets which are the problem for bitting it is always the small dogs.
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12 August 2006, 09:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Adrian F
I doubt that it is in fact a pit bull as they are banned and most times it is a "Pitbull Type" which is used to describe almost any cross breed that has bitten. The Police find it easier to prosecute if it is described as a pitbull type even if it looks like a Lab. If you want further Proof look at Dr Roger Mugfords pictures of dogs Destroyed under the DDA as Pitbull types.
12 August 2006, 10:59 PM
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Some kids dont have fear and will walk up to a dog and stroke it more fool them really im nearly 20 and i even still ask if a dog bites before i touch it! I dont wanna get bitten thanks i only have to look at my mates face as a reminder of what could happen.
Bit like wearing a seat belt or not wearing a seat belt and hoping you dont crash, but they do save lives
Bit like wearing a seat belt or not wearing a seat belt and hoping you dont crash, but they do save lives
13 August 2006, 09:59 AM
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Good god don't you go on! 
Humanising the animal makes you an irresponsible owner, how do you feel about that? 
Your lack of objectivity makes this painfully obvious
So you believe that there is a time that the actions of the anmial could be 'understood' ... you know, child laying on floor minus it's face, in jumps Adrian Airhead "But we don't know the full facts people" 
What's that saying, a picture paints a thousand words?
Picture the scene, woman laying on the ground with a stick next to her, face cut off and stab wounds on her legs, Police turn up ...
Police: "Hello sir, what happened here?"
Airhead: "Well, this crazy woman who doesn't speak english walked up to me waving a stick about"
Police: "Yes?
"
Airhead: "Well, I did what comes naturally, I felt threatened so I attacked her, cut her face off and stabbed her a few times "
Police: "Oh I see, quite understandable, now we have the facts I think our job is done ... good day sir"
Of course education is required, but are you to ensure that this is delivered ... is the penalty to be torn limb from limb if it isn't?
This isn't a 'warning nip' we are talking about here, we are talking about a well honed piece of equipment savaging a person or other animal ... and here you are trying to justify it!
This is a nice person, this is a car jacker ...
Yes I humanise it to make the point that people expect a high level of restraint of a dog than they do of humans which obviously is unrealistic.
Yes funny enough I am a dog owner!
No I am not saying this child should have been attacked but as neither of us knows the full facts you can’t say why it was attacked. But the point I made about there being a reason is still true. Dogs don’t attack without a reason even if you can’t be bothered to find the reason.
Yes the picture of the person bitten was shocking. Still doesn’t explain what happened? Pictures nether tell a whole story do they! But they are good to shock.
Yes I do think the child was lucky not to be bitten at the dog show, it wasn’t bitten because the dog was better behaved than the humans, the father as I said watched this unfolding and didn’t stop his child then when the danger was explained rather than learn a useful lesson he got aggressive? if a women walked up to me in the street muttering in a strange language waving a big stick up and down expecting me to just stay there when she is in my face and not react is unrealistic how do I know she isn’t going to hit me again? Why would you expect a dog not to think that as most people think hitting a dog is a good way to train it.
Police: "Hello sir, what happened here?"
Airhead: "Well, this crazy woman who doesn't speak english walked up to me waving a stick about"
Police: "Yes?
"Airhead: "Well, I did what comes naturally, I felt threatened so I attacked her, cut her face off and stabbed her a few times
"Police: "Oh I see, quite understandable, now we have the facts I think our job is done ... good day sir"
I meet loads of children when out who think they can just rush up to dogs waving hands etc up and down and touch them as they want with out asking if it is safe first this isn’t their fault it is the fault of the parents who don’t take responsibility for their children’s behaviour a bit like not teaching children to look before crossing a road and then complaining when run over.
As you said yourself these bites are probably the result of the dog feeling threatened by the person and defending its self in the only way it can. It can’t of course ask nicely if they would stop doing what ever the threatening action is can they.
Of course dog owners are responsible for their dogs in the same way parents are for their children they have to teach them the correct way to behave but also a lot of people want the dog to protect them their house and possibly their Scooby so it can be very difficult for the dog to work out who is friend and who is the person car jacking their owner on the door step for the cars keys!
This is a nice person, this is a car jacker ...
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13 August 2006, 11:50 AM
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Originally Posted by oik
Good god don't you go on!
Humanising the animal makes you an irresponsible owner, how do you feel about that?
Your lack of objectivity makes this painfully obvious
So you believe that there is a time that the actions of the anmial could be 'understood' ... you know, child laying on floor minus it's face, in jumps Adrian Airhead "But we don't know the full facts people"
What's that saying, a picture paints a thousand words?
Picture the scene, woman laying on the ground with a stick next to her, face cut off and stab wounds on her legs, Police turn up ...
Police: "Hello sir, what happened here?"
Airhead: "Well, this crazy woman who doesn't speak english walked up to me waving a stick about"
Police: "Yes? "
Airhead: "Well, I did what comes naturally, I felt threatened so I attacked her, cut her face off and stabbed her a few times "
Police: "Oh I see, quite understandable, now we have the facts I think our job is done ... good day sir"
Of course education is required, but are you to ensure that this is delivered ... is the penalty to be torn limb from limb if it isn't?
This isn't a 'warning nip' we are talking about here, we are talking about a well honed piece of equipment savaging a person or other animal ... and here you are trying to justify it!
This is a nice person, this is a car jacker ...
Humanising the animal makes you an irresponsible owner, how do you feel about that?
Your lack of objectivity makes this painfully obvious
So you believe that there is a time that the actions of the anmial could be 'understood' ... you know, child laying on floor minus it's face, in jumps Adrian Airhead "But we don't know the full facts people"
What's that saying, a picture paints a thousand words?
Picture the scene, woman laying on the ground with a stick next to her, face cut off and stab wounds on her legs, Police turn up ...
Police: "Hello sir, what happened here?"
Airhead: "Well, this crazy woman who doesn't speak english walked up to me waving a stick about"
Police: "Yes?
"Airhead: "Well, I did what comes naturally, I felt threatened so I attacked her, cut her face off and stabbed her a few times
"Police: "Oh I see, quite understandable, now we have the facts I think our job is done ... good day sir"
Of course education is required, but are you to ensure that this is delivered ... is the penalty to be torn limb from limb if it isn't?
This isn't a 'warning nip' we are talking about here, we are talking about a well honed piece of equipment savaging a person or other animal ... and here you are trying to justify it!
This is a nice person, this is a car jacker ...
You really haven't got a ******* clue have you 
13 August 2006, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by oik
Is that the best you can do?
Bless you
Bless you
So with that in mind. Yes! that is the best I can do.
13 August 2006, 12:22 PM
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Originally Posted by gatecrasher3
There is no point trying to reason with someone that has already made their mind up.
So with that in mind. Yes! that is the best I can do.
So with that in mind. Yes! that is the best I can do.
13 August 2006, 01:28 PM
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Originally Posted by oik
It's the best you can do because you are unable to articulate otherwise!
13 August 2006, 01:41 PM
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Originally Posted by gatecrasher3
You have been presented with many valid points on this thread that differ to your opinion but are unwilling to accept or consider them.
If I wasn't considering them I wouldn't be responding to them
Well Pit Bull Terriers, among others, are banned ... seems somebody agrees with me then!
13 August 2006, 02:05 PM
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Dogs are animals, all of which are unpredictable! there are many stories of 'pets' that have been owned for years and then all of a sudden they have flipped and bitten or attacked its owner/ another person! These things happen, they are not nice but just a fact of life!
13 August 2006, 02:24 PM
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There's a bloke near me who walks 2 huge "pit bull looking" dogs *always* on a lead and *always* with muzzles.
I'm not ashamed to admit that I was slightly scared when I saw him walking towards me with these two bruisers but when I saw their tails waggling I asked him what breed they were. He said they were "presa de canario" and that they were guard dogs for his home.
He said he could never ever let them off in public and if they ever met a dog who showed aggression they would rip them to shreds.
What type of person would buy a dog that you can't walk off the lead?
Do a Google image search for "presa de canario" and you'll see why I shat myself.
ps- these dogs are legal to buy in the UK..
I'm not ashamed to admit that I was slightly scared when I saw him walking towards me with these two bruisers but when I saw their tails waggling I asked him what breed they were. He said they were "presa de canario" and that they were guard dogs for his home.
He said he could never ever let them off in public and if they ever met a dog who showed aggression they would rip them to shreds.
What type of person would buy a dog that you can't walk off the lead?
Do a Google image search for "presa de canario" and you'll see why I shat myself.
ps- these dogs are legal to buy in the UK..
13 August 2006, 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny B
There's a bloke near me who walks 2 huge "pit bull looking" dogs *always* on a lead and *always* with muzzles.
I'm not ashamed to admit that I was slightly scared when I saw him walking towards me with these two bruisers but when I saw their tails waggling I asked him what breed they were. He said they were "presa de canario" and that they were guard dogs for his home.
He said he could never ever let them off in public and if they ever met a dog who showed aggression they would rip them to shreds.
What type of person would buy a dog that you can't walk off the lead?
Do a Google image search for "presa de canario" and you'll see why I shat myself.
ps- these dogs are legal to buy in the UK..
I'm not ashamed to admit that I was slightly scared when I saw him walking towards me with these two bruisers but when I saw their tails waggling I asked him what breed they were. He said they were "presa de canario" and that they were guard dogs for his home.
He said he could never ever let them off in public and if they ever met a dog who showed aggression they would rip them to shreds.
What type of person would buy a dog that you can't walk off the lead?
Do a Google image search for "presa de canario" and you'll see why I shat myself.
ps- these dogs are legal to buy in the UK..
13 August 2006, 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by leonpoole
Mate you really havn't got a clue so lets leave it at that
13 August 2006, 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Bat-Fink
Those presa de canarios looks well nice.
13 August 2006, 05:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny B
I don't like the way owners "clip" their ears, each to their own I suppose.
13 August 2006, 06:57 PM
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Originally Posted by oik
Let's not ... challenge my stance Mr Poole, convince me that the ban on these animals is unjust. I could do with a laugh!
13 August 2006, 07:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Danny B
I don't like the way owners "clip" their ears, each to their own I suppose.